"##" Mafia

On October 20 2013 20:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
I cannot read oats for the life of me. Whenever he does something weird day 1 I always have this little voice going "he's abusing his town meta by acting like a moron silly person as scum"

But nope, town.

One day I'll be fooled and I'll feel bad.

Maybe we should just agree to policy lynch him right now?

On October 28 2013 11:50 Promethelax wrote:
So I get that this is a theme game but everyone is just trying to get their powers charged up. Allow me to say: STOP!

unless you have a town read on someone don't power them up. For serious. Why should we help scum this early in the game? Yer all dumb.

Lets treat this like a normal game for a little while, get some scum reads and do this right. Random powering up of other people is, in my opinion, policy lynchable, discuss.

On October 28 2013 12:24 HotCottonCandy wrote:


I don't agree, I really doubt town has like what 6-7 power roles? that doesn't make any sense to me. So it doesn't look like Promethelax is trying to stop town from getting all their powers while scum is just useless. That would be a stupid game don't you think? There is scum for sure in some of these power roles. Right now im leaning towards sentinel and rayn but need to see what their powers do i guess.

On October 28 2013 12:27 Promethelax wrote:


He is the only one trying in the whole town. We're i scum and everyone was basking in having dumb powers I wouldn't do anything to stop that, the fact that he is doing something is good. He has a read I disagree with and which is dumb. But does that make him scum? I dont think so. Do i Want to know more about the read? Yes, but pan isn't here right now. You are. So I'm talking to you.

Yes I am too try hard. That sums up how I play the game pretty well.

Rayn, I assume your power which you used on Marv either makes him your mason or gives him powers. Why did you have enough of a town read on him to give him powers? Or is it masoning?

On October 28 2013 07:42 Pandain wrote:
Rayn is the scummiest player posting so far for a number of reasons.

Using powers so fast,


Mafia post to cast bad thoughts on someone without any want to pursue him.

Buddying Marv.

Not that he's for certain scum as I'm certain the majority of scum have not posted yet, but if I was going to guess one person it would be him or WoS.

On October 28 2013 13:58 Promethelax wrote:
I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker.

Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create.

Oats, why should I power you up? You think I am scum for a bad reason and are generally a silky bastard who I would not give roles to this early. Remember carnival cruise where you never crumbed your cop checks and in death cleared a scum? You can stay powerless thanks. If you think everyone should be powered why have you not powered me and Marv? The two best payers with power up abilities.

Pandain, the fick are you doing? Why announce your return and vanish again.

On October 28 2013 14:08 Promethelax wrote:


I don't think you are scum. I think you are town.

Two reasons I won't power you: 1 is [redacted due to ongoing game] 2 you don't need a power role right now. There are few people who use day 1 power roles really well and you aren't one, if you were mod confirmed town I'd give you power but the risk reward between giving a scum you power and a town you power is not worth it.

Since forever am I good at blue. Look at my MS games or chronotrigger or...that might be all my blue games.

On October 28 2013 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

Alright a valid point.
So you can strike the point where I say it's hypocritical that Prome asked people to do it to him.
I'm still not following where the 'discussion' re: policy lynching went, or how he pursued those he felt were guilty of such.

So Prome, your reads list at the start of the game. All I remember is you saying you'd lynch me based on my entry to the thread. I don't see you pursuing your policy lynches, your apparent scumreads or your 'discussion.' Funny part is' you never actually call me scum, you just say you'd lynch me based on me entering the thread and leaving, and even THEN you don't pursue it, and have not mentioned me even once since then.

On October 28 2013 14:17 Pandain wrote:
I mean I thought it was a real power and it sounded deadly against Koshi.

What was I supposed to do?

On October 28 2013 14:20 Promethelax wrote:


I'm not sure I can be clearer, I think you are town lets out a number to it (this will make the rest of this example easier to show you) I'm 65% sure you are town. There is a 35% chance you are scum. I believe that the way you would use a power role as scum would benefit your team at least twice as much as the way you using your power role as town would benefit your team. Thus I chose not to power you up because I felt the cost benefit analysis suggested that voting you would be more helpful to scum than to town.

Rayn, weigh In Here, am I being clear? Y/n

On October 28 2013 15:24 Promethelax wrote:
You never took economics, did you?

What happened to make your read change? Why do you read me as town now?

On October 28 2013 21:21 Promethelax wrote:


So Marv tells you town and you do t lay down the support you already kinda gave, what gives? We're you only going to support me if he said scum?

Were you only going to support me if he said scum?

On October 28 2013 22:20 Koshi wrote:


If we believe what WoS said in (1), then we see him whining about not being mafia in (2). Him being mafia makes it logical he does (1) about (3). (3) and (4) contradict themselves if he is town. How can something be semi-useless and be super pro-town at the same time?

Time will tell! Because WoS promised to do it day 1.

On October 28 2013 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I just read scum!marv and town!marv D1's and this apathy of his does not fit into each one of them. Then i read Catch 22 and it doesn't fit into there. I have no fucking idea what to think. 4th party? Since when has marv not commented on the leading lynch candidate in no way as any alignment?

marv what do you you want to talk about? Or are you just going to watch what happens and then what? And why?

On October 28 2013 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
Does it matter if I refudiate you now or just before Day ends?

On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain.

On October 28 2013 23:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm talking about his initial response to it. Obviously (in the hypothetical that oats is scum) he figures out "oh yeah I expressed interest in Prome"
Did his initial response to your case not strike you as odd?

On October 28 2013 23:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think we both know I'm not, oats
But anyway, let's go with your thing. Does that make me scum to you?

Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like.

On October 28 2013 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok koshi called me 3p for having a charge role thing. I dont know what it means, but generally town dont call people 3p day 1 because there is no way to know. Scum do know though.

I think Prome is scummy for giving both a town read to rayn and Pandain but not doing anything about Pandains scum read on Rayn.


However, currently I want to lynch Pandain because his vote on Rayn is total bullshit.
He apparently votes for rayn for doing an action that SOUNDS bad. This is important. Pandain doesnt know what Rayn's action is. All he knows is that it sounds bad. Apparently thats enough justification for a vote on Rayn. And when its clear that Rayn is joking, Pandain doesnt retract the vote like a normal townie, no, he finds other stuff to call rayn scum.

And that other stuff doesnt even make sense from a scum perspective.


So the first point is that Rayn uses powers too fast and therefore he is scum? What a jump in logic, again, Pandain has no idea what Rayn's thing on marv did. Also, Pandain is experienced enough to know that GENERALLY scum dont do knee jerk and stupid stuff, thats what town do.

ok 2nd point, yeah Sent is powering up marv not because he thinks marv is town. Thats bad reasoning and Rayn is right to call it out. But apparently to Pandain, Rayn's post is scummy for casting bad thoughts. But its accurate.

Also Buddying marv. Really? Really pandain?

Everyone including Prome should totally comment on this and do the action thing. ##Refudiate Oatsmaster

On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote:


It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up.

I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum.

I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy.

On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote:

Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall

On October 29 2013 01:48 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, I am going to go with marv, rayn, seuss and Oats town.
But your townread just got downgraded a bit because you are correct on the amount of pages in this game.

On October 29 2013 05:10 Pandain wrote:
Marv is striking me as very town, which is very exciting for me. Usually I would think it would be hard to read Marv since he's such a good player, but even if he's scum he's still making really good points which, as long as we continue to judge them, will work in town favor.

+ Show Spoiler +
He really thought hard about Prom and I love what he said about Prom being way too cocky, I actually had a null read on him but now I think I have a moderate town read on him, probably not as "sure" in it as Marv.

+ Show Spoiler +

Originally I disagreed with Seuss being scummy but now I agree, with some addendums.

Here is Marv's post:


However I disagree with this slight suspicion of Seuss. Now if Seuss had written out his post during the course of 5 hours and thought very clearly and wanted to be 100% consistant, it would be suspicious (though still not scummy).

His bolded statement mirrored my thoughts and is a defendable statement even if it isn't 100% justifiable since yes some people need others for their powers. The underlined is clearly just poor reading and doesn't indicate scum.

The red statement is interesting however and important to think about.

There are better reasons to be suspicious of Seuss


Very poor post, list format instead of comprehensive. Also what is the middle paragraph which is a basic "I don't know."


Also his other posts are really wishy-washy and constantly changing.

I do think he's worth looking out for though shouldn't be a lynch target today.

I do agree Clarity is suspicious, made a poor post which only focused on one person. It is so incredibly assumption based and wouldn't be what I expect Clarity to be suspicious of. He says Oats is suspicious because he didn't add to what someone else said.



I don't know why but this post bothers me

Then Marv calls him out and he immediately back tracks

I also think Koshi is suspicious. Where is carefree Koshi? He's so defensive. He also isn't attempting to buddy Rayn which I have seen in all my past games which I'm pretty sure they've both been in them all.

On October 29 2013 20:29 Promethelax wrote:


What is your read on Pandain Oats, make the discussion yourself.

On October 29 2013 20:42 Promethelax wrote:
"Why are you doing this pandain" isn't a read though oats.

On October 29 2013 20:43 Promethelax wrote:
Its there being scummier people. And effort. And the fact that when I sit down and try to make the case logically I can't make it work like it should if he is scum.

On October 29 2013 21:46 Promethelax wrote:
Its all great that you guys want to figure out who you think the new player is but the amount that it doesn't matter isn't even funny. Stop smurf hunting into a newbie and play the game looking for scum.

On October 29 2013 22:39 Promethelax wrote:
is true. I do a lot of dumb shit and say a lot of dumb shit, I just happen to also be a lot better than most people on tl.

On October 29 2013 23:54 Clarity_nl wrote:


You're only furious because you can tell I'm sincere which means I actually am just being a lazy cunt.
But hey, at least I didn't get myself lynched as town (probably) which is always better than getting lynched.

I'll be back tonight, probably.

On October 29 2013 23:56 OOHCHILD wrote:
Why are you okay with lynch me Oats?
I think I have been town.

On October 30 2013 00:13 OOHCHILD wrote:
I am a terrible lynch because I tried to clear the only alternative bandwagon. I am a terrible lynch because I have not been afraid to stick out. I am a terrible lynch because I have given plenty of opinions and also given reasons why I have those opinions.

On October 30 2013 00:40 strongandbig wrote:


weird question.
i think i was scum with oats in a game where he kept asking people to read him. am i remembering correctly? does he do this as town as well? idk, but suspicious. still leaning town on him though

also ##Twerk



you should've said something.

##Yolo Promethelax

you should've said something but w/e

catching up with the thread atm, on page 50, rather lynch clarity than oohchild atm, still kind of think pandain is scum but i'll filter him once i catch up, could oohchild be OO? doesn't matter but would be punny.

On October 30 2013 00:56 strongandbig wrote:
also something I didn't see from clarity - is he going to start playing more later in the game or is this all we're getting out of him? cause if he's not going to commit to ever playing differently then he really needs to replace out or get lynched tomorrow, we just can't allow someone who's playing like that to live to LYLO. but i'm okay with not lynching him today.

On October 30 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh, another random thing in case I die.

Does the fact that I have liked basically everything Oats has done this game make him scum?
I know for a fact in almost every single game I have played with Oats he has either played like shit, looked scummy as shit, or made me really mad and been town. He has done none of those things here and the only game I can remember where he was unremarkable and I never even thought to look at him was Ego.

Where he was scum.

I'll have to have a look at him if I survive as well.

On October 30 2013 22:32 Koshi wrote:
I don't even understand it. What did I ask? About the nuke being saveable? I just asked that because scum might be able to save the nuke if we used it at night.

On October 30 2013 22:43 marvellosity wrote:

Why not?

And if you're wondering that, why do you nuke someone unilaterally without asking him first?

On October 30 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote:

Yes, but I literally don't understand what you were thinking. Even if you thought Koshi meant roleblock.

Why DID you think that mafia would ask that question in thread and not town? Why wouldn't town ask in thread? Surely that information helps town? Or what? Please explain

On October 30 2013 23:31 marvellosity wrote:

How many times have I shouted at you for doing/saying stupid shit as town? Why do you keep doing it then if you are town?

This is such a hard pill for me to swallow.

On October 31 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you keep speculating on 3p?

On October 31 2013 00:26 Promethelax wrote:
and you nuked Koshi. And you called litterally everyone in this game scum except for me and marv. And you called me scum at the beginning. You doing okay or is your paranoia setting in.

Oh! Paranoia. WoS, explain.

On October 30 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote:

Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel.

On October 31 2013 11:09 strongandbig wrote:
Pandain I'll ask you again, why do you think I'm scum? Last time I asked you didn't answer, but wos did and after I explained stuff he changed his mind.

I really feel like you're just continuing to say I'm scum because you're comfortable with having a scum read on me. You mention me like a hundred times as one of your preferred lynches but you haven't done anything substantive to explain that or persuade anyone why I'm likely scum. I don't like it.

On November 01 2013 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to read your case later.
I think Oats is scum because his nuke on Koshi who is obviously town and was then, the reasoning makes zero sense.
Also he has no reads at all, which mirrors his play from Ego. I have never seen town!Oats have no scum reads on D2, however dumb his reasons might be.

Now why is he town?

On November 01 2013 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Hey you just said your nuke on Koshi is not alignment indicative as all the nukes are dud's, how is this one now?

On October 31 2013 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Update Koshi
Last bit of posts make sense, gonna see if I can see stuff in Rayn's or SnB or Pandain's filter.

Marv, why is Rayn noticing me posting

On November 01 2013 09:08 Pandain wrote:
Rayn isn't going to be lynched.
Don't think you should be focusing on him Oats

On November 01 2013 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tee me Oats, which of the other nuke users i should heve nuked and why?

On October 30 2013 23:26 OOHCHILD wrote:
Reason why I nuked WoS:
It was a very impulsive move. I was just pissed that clarity had been lynched instead of him, since i had a pretty good townread on clarity. Should be pretty obvious by now but my scumread on WoS changes every second, from probs town to OMG SUCMMIEST PLAYER in the game as I weight the arguments in my head. Right now I could see him flipping either way. I tried to read through his filter last night but I didn't do it full and I wasn't fully present and I didn't make any good conclusions.

On October 30 2013 12:01 Pandain wrote:
This is a policy nuke and I hope its real
##Nuke strongandbig

On October 30 2013 11:37 strongandbig wrote:
Okay
##Nuke HotCottonCandy

Oh wait I spelled it wrong

On October 30 2013 11:45 HotCottonCandy wrote:
well that makes this choice easier

##Nuke strongandbig

Doesn't mention me the entire game then randomly nukes me, hurpadurpa.

On November 01 2013 09:09 marvellosity wrote:
Don't ignore me please Oats, thanks.

On November 01 2013 09:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Your reasoning is bad regarding HCC and Pandain. SnB is a different story but at least he nuked my scumread.
OOHCHILD is being nuked by marv.
Why should i have nuked these people over you again?

On November 01 2013 10:18 Koshi wrote:
This nuke made sure you are not getting lynched Oats. Dont cry. It's probably not real. We go after Seuss today.

On November 01 2013 13:49 HotCottonCandy wrote:
I am canadian lol just dont live there

On November 01 2013 14:54 HotCottonCandy wrote:


I was referring to when we were rapid firing questions at seuss (believe it was me and marv, dont recall the specifics) and he was answering them in very quick order. So didn't seem like bullshit. Koshi I don't really see a reason for him to be scum. Looks more like his town game where he kinda is just there and doin' stuff occasionally. as scum I feel like he has more thread presence.

I don't have a post on why Oats is scum, it's more of a process of elimination and his recent weird play. Could be wrong but I feel like it's a solid gut read. If he is scum though then I'm wrong about rayn so idk all my reads are messed up.

On November 01 2013 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I know it says nothing. It doesn't change the fact that i thought the same, and still do, because Oats hasn't done shit. And his nuke on Koshi was so horribly reasoned i don't even know what to say..

On November 01 2013 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You tunneled Pandain on D1. Then out of nowhere you did nuke Koshi. Then you laid out 6 reads who were "not town but not sure". That's not town!Oats.

On November 01 2013 22:33 Koshi wrote:
Also Oats nuked me because I was on Seuss his ass this game. That's the real reason.

But it's all for tomorrow.

On November 01 2013 22:39 marvellosity wrote:

It's because there wasn't a reasonable reason for your actions. So, whatever.

On November 01 2013 22:47 marvellosity wrote:

Do you want to read my posts?

On November 02 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote:
Seriously, you're away for two hours, and that's what you have to post?

On November 02 2013 01:46 marvellosity wrote:

Do you remember how I shouted at you, after Golden Sun in fact, for trolling around as town?

Well, if you're town now, stop it. Just stop it.

Play like a townie plays.

On November 02 2013 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
Well, if you're playing the game like you see it, you're not playing it very well.

Why the fuck aren't you voting Onegu after what he did?

How could you possibly like his case on Koshi when it's all built on stuff that he does as town AND HE HAS NOT EVEN READ HIS FILTER.

On November 02 2013 02:01 marvellosity wrote:
Also Koshi is the towniest guy in the game.

Cept me obviously.

On November 02 2013 22:32 marvellosity wrote:

Yeah, that's not how it works, as you know.

Dunno why you're even making this argument when I know you bring up Oats/gonzaw from LIX sometimes.

On November 02 2013 22:42 marvellosity wrote:

Given I'm one of the towniest towningtons who ever towned and I'm very suspicious of rayn since the beginning of the night, I don't know why you think this?

On November 02 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote:
Uh, I was suspicious of him n1 I guess. Kinda let it go at the start of d2. And back again on n2.

On November 04 2013 13:07 Promethelax wrote:


if so does that mean that one of Koshi/marv has to be scum?

These roles make little to no sense to me; I can't actually figure out a way for them to be balanced and yet I'm sure they are truthful as claimed since you/me and marv/koshi can confirm each others' roles existing as the other one has claimed them. You and I have terrible scum roles, like being X, parity cop are both terrible mafia roles. Busdriver would be alright though. If someone who charges up is scum I'd say it has to be one of the people with watcher/tracker, jk, rb, doc. Though the watcher/tracker doesn't matter at all when it comes to mafia this game since all the town blues auto out themselves.

On November 04 2013 19:11 Koshi wrote:

VA: no reason to think he is scummier than rayn/Oats/Prome/Kush. If he is scum he got lucky you people decided to be scummy bitches.

Sentinel : Same story really. His power is either towny for information, or scum to shit up the thread. But that didn't really happen.

SnB: Who the fuck knows? But with either Prome/Oats being scum, I would be surprised if Seuss added 2 scums in his first 3 reads.

On November 04 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote:
No, I'm not bad at all, as you well know.

On November 04 2013 22:42 marvellosity wrote:
Why insult people for no reason?

On November 05 2013 00:18 Promethelax wrote:
No, you are probably scum you out your powers so I can counter claim you because what you are saying sounds wrong. You've matched my powers exactly one for one up to this point but your three power is to mason someone? Yes or no. Now.

On November 04 2013 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
eh yeah Im 3-5-7 and the EXACT same shit as prome. Hahahahaha I guess that means hes scum.

On November 05 2013 00:23 Promethelax wrote:
Because that is NOT what my power does.

On November 05 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont know. Im assuming not lol.

Oh you want to confirm that I have mason right?
yeah ok

On November 05 2013 00:26 Promethelax wrote:
Oats, remember how this is me asking. Remember how you know and like me and know I'm town? Okay good. Now tell the thread about what your three power does. Because at this point you are lying about it waiting for me to claim so you can claim the exact same thing.

If town wants to lynch me for being an idiot that is 100% okay with me. Just lynch oats next.