"##" Mafia

On October 28 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:

I have certain abilities at night that I can use based on how many people ##Twerk for me during the day. I think I'd rather deal with it a bit later in the day though, although I'm not going to stop anyone doing it if they want to.

On October 28 2013 12:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol cottonCandy.
Scum dont want town to have powers. Lol. So if marv is town, Prome's post makes perfect sense for scum to post.

Rayn and koshi arent scum together. Probably.
If sent is scum, then yeah rayn and koshi arent scum together
If sent is town, its more likely that Rayn and koshi are both town. But its pure speculation at this point.

On October 28 2013 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote:

What? I only see 2 people, me and marv that need charging. Other than sent
s which has already been completed. So if me and marv are town, scum really doesnt want us to get charged. Right COTTONCANDY??

On October 28 2013 12:31 Promethelax wrote:


Do you have any reason to believe that Marv is or isn't town? You've tried to attack me because he is town but haven't managed to say that he is town. Oats, now.

On October 28 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
There's a somewhat subtle aspect to it that makes me want to leave it until later in the day, because in part it relies on my reads on players.

On October 28 2013 12:42 Promethelax wrote:


Which is why I asked oats and not you numbnuts. Let Jared answer for himself In The future, he is a big boy.

On October 28 2013 12:51 Promethelax wrote:
Because sent's only goal this whole game has been to power himself up and hasn't cared about anyone's alignment at all or tried to do anything but get his power from the hosts?

On October 28 2013 06:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


What do I get in return?

On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.

##Twerk marvellosity

Anyways. I have a power that I would like some people to help me charge up.

##15

Here's the gameplan. To charge up my power, someone, anyone, posts ##14, then someone else does ##13 and so on. When we get to ##1 the power is charged and ready to use :D. You can post multiple numbers in the countdown but not consecutive ones. So you can do 14 and 12, but not 14 and 13.

On October 28 2013 07:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


KOSHI DIDN'T ANSWER WHAT UPDATE DOES.

marv at least left it ambiguously pleasant.

On October 28 2013 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


I meant what I get out of it -__- my bad

On October 28 2013 07:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


Well as the old saying goes, if you tickle my scrotum I shall tickle yours in return.

##Update Koshi

On October 28 2013 12:55 Promethelax wrote:
Seuss, no more role fishing without purpose. What do you think about oats and why?

Rayn, I'll take you at your word that your power usage isn't alignment indicative at the moment. I'm sure you can figure out what I was getting at. I still like pandain for the moment based on his try Harding. I do t have meta on him so I get to read him on his play, a nice early try hard adds so e green points for now.

Cotton candy, if you are so anxious to type why not say something useful. Early reads?

On October 28 2013 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Candyman, do you think Sent is telling truth about his power being one-shot?

On October 28 2013 13:19 Promethelax wrote:


Is not that, it's the casual manner he seemed to approach things in. There doesn't seem like that underplaying worry and over-shoulder-watching that you get with scum. I dunno, it's all feels.

On October 29 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote:
I really just wanna see what this power of his is :x

Why you twerk when I say not to twerk yet :<

On October 29 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:

It was like 16 hours ago, and we're not even halfway through Day 1 yet. I also said I had reasons for wanting to delay it, based on my developing reads. The fact you ignored this makes me pretty sad, when I think you've been generally attentive to other stuff so far.

On October 29 2013 01:22 marvellosity wrote:

It's simple from my perspective - I don't think Clarity should be believing what he wrote as town, whereas I have no such issue with s&b.

On October 29 2013 09:09 VayneAuthority wrote:


It could simply be one of those cases where a certain playstyle irks you the wrong way and you always find them scummy regardless. I went back and read that filter at your discretion and that is what it felt like to me more. Clarity_nl simply despises Oatsmaster's playstyle and it seems will always find him scummy regardless of what he does. I am not ready to vote for him based on another game.

On October 29 2013 09:15 marvellosity wrote:
HotCottonCandy, now you're exposed, would you mind telling us why you decided to smurf?

On October 29 2013 09:22 Pandain wrote:
I could see OOChild/Clarity being scum/3P (not sure in which order).

Not sure that town could successfully be on the track of two scums, however.

On October 29 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote:
This is still giving me the heebie jeebies

On October 29 2013 23:07 Clarity_nl wrote:


Welp, I think marv is town, sadly. So if marv says I should then I should. Don't have a read on you and oats atm,

On October 30 2013 00:33 marvellosity wrote:

I've no real reason to disbelieve his story that he's played mafia before but not on this site.

On October 30 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:
I guess after all I want to lynch into WoS/Pandain today.

On October 30 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:
rayn what does Koshi forgetting Pandain mean?

On October 30 2013 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is no one wanting to lynch SnB?? I dont understand.

On October 30 2013 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also CandymanAuthority why are you voting for Pandain? Case please if you think he is scum.

On October 30 2013 02:29 Pandain wrote:


This is awful assumption-based reasoning.
Perhaps it's that I'm town?
You think I'm scum based on how others are reacting to me.

On October 30 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I do not think this is a good reasoning for thinking someone is scum. It just means people are unsure of his alignment, including townies for sure. There is evidence that says - even if scum are casting light suspicion on him without pushing - that townies are doing that aswell. Therefore that cannot possibly tell anything about Pandain's alignment.

On October 30 2013 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
HotCottonCandy - do you have a role? Don't want to know what, just whether you do or not.

On October 30 2013 02:49 marvellosity wrote:
Alright, so we have this post:

Seuss's vote is on Wave at this point, presumably because he believes he's mafia.

Why then does he want to make a plan to test the voting powers?

On October 30 2013 02:58 marvellosity wrote:

Sorry, could you explain what you mean?

On October 30 2013 03:02 Seuss wrote:


I think there's a distinct possibility [UoN]Sentinel is scum and a worthy lynch target, with the bonus that we don't murder someone with a potentially important power like Wave before we confirm it actually works.

On October 30 2013 03:05 Seuss wrote:


Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently.

On October 30 2013 09:57 Pandain wrote:

It seems anti-town he didn't tell us what his power was until it was already activated

On October 30 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA can I ask you something?



You might be the only person I have ever heard of who considers forgetting about something someone did earlier a towntell. And I agree with it.

You also said in this post that you hate martyring, yet it was apparently not the reason you voted for me (and then later removed it).
What are you actual thoughts on me either now or earlier D1, because you haven't said much on the matter and it was a rather large chunk of the day.

And what are your current thoughts on OOHCHILD?

On October 30 2013 12:08 Pandain wrote:
Yeah, so they'll nuke someone suspicious or not nuke at all

It isn't going to be alignment indicative unless a townie nukes a scum.

On October 30 2013 12:09 Pandain wrote:
I don't see what you're honestly hoping to gain from this HCC.

Only more information through deaths, but that also means we're closer to lylo and normally we would have that amount of deaths with MORE INFORMATION ON A LATER DAY

On October 30 2013 12:17 Pandain wrote:
I think, regardless if the the nukes are real or not, you're over-evaluating the information we will have at the end.
If I die to Koshi, what will you make of it?
I think SnB is scum and so did you two, but we'd have already killed him and like I said would be the only real results. And would help certify we are town. But that's really the only way.

SnB nuking you is more suspicious because he fundamentally is showing a disregard of concern, but I wasn't fully fully convinced he was scum; it's the policy nuke that pushed me over the edge and what I am so angry about.

I understand, in the end, we will get information. I just think it's better to consolidate on SnB rather then potentially nuke townies for information.

On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.

Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx.

On October 31 2013 03:36 Promethelax wrote:


I doubt that pandain is scum based on the people who have spoken out about his past and a certain level of sincerity which feels pretty okay.

Oats could be scum, his early game looked really good and that is what he does as scum. But I'm not terribly sure of him one way or the other.

Rayn seems much likelier town to me than kush. He was in the thread being not retarded. So even if he is scum he wouldn't be the first for me to kill.

I'm not saying that couldn't be the scum team. It wouldn't be totally out of left field but I wouldn't call it the most likely.

On October 31 2013 06:03 marvellosity wrote:

I thought you claimed VT?

On October 31 2013 06:05 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, Wave may have been killed by a nuke, and the KP blocked/protected by other means.

On October 31 2013 06:10 marvellosity wrote:

Obviously the real nuke would be assigned randomly. Don't see why you're asking that.

On October 31 2013 06:21 marvellosity wrote:

What do you think he was right about? He put s&b back to null and he was being quite suspicious of rayn.

On October 31 2013 06:53 Promethelax wrote:
My scum read is based on that actually, you are being ignored and not doing anything about it. Like if people ignore me I write a few hundred posts and yell at people. You've been content to post you analysis and vanish. Look, I'm never going to convince you to vote for yourself so I'm not going to continue this conversation.

Instead can we talk about your scum reads and who you'd like to lynch. Based on reads and not set up.

On October 31 2013 10:02 Pandain wrote:
Yeah I think they would as long as they seem to contribute. This is his second game, correct? Makes sense to be wishy washy especially if he's carrying a persona.

It's not about that though its more I think he doesn't care yet is seeming to. Like a more subtle version of SnB

On October 31 2013 10:08 Pandain wrote:

I mean this is what I originally said

On October 31 2013 10:13 marvellosity wrote:
I think you just can't read PMs very well.

On November 01 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote:

Excuse me? Last I heard you thought Seuss was a newbie playing without malice, and Pandain was the mafia vote alterer?

On November 01 2013 01:12 marvellosity wrote:
Then "we" lynch the other. Just giving up on your scumreads because Koshi and I talked about Seuss a little bit?

On November 01 2013 01:07 Promethelax wrote:
Would also be okay lynching you Vayne. Though I think you are better than a nuke. Congratulations.

On November 01 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:

Nothing to do with being reasonable - the lynch today is so far away from being set in stone it's unbelievable, and you're not bothered about pushing your main scumsuspects?

On November 01 2013 01:16 marvellosity wrote:

No, that's not what I mean. I mean that it's not totally obvious who we're lynching today, but you're already pathetically giving up on your mafia suspects because they "aren't going to happen".

You've not even tried to make anything happen!

On November 01 2013 01:21 marvellosity wrote:

You usually have mafia suspects and go "well let's lynch someone else because meh" 30 hours before lynchtime?

Can rayn/Koshi confirm this is typical behaviour?

On November 01 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:

When you literally have 3 other mafia suspects and you've called the player in question most recently likely town, no, I don't see why you would be fine getting rid of him just like that.

On November 01 2013 01:37 marvellosity wrote:
Well, people seemed to think I was overstating my points on rayn. Koshi doesn't seem *that* interested, I'd expect him to be more interested if I were on to something. He might still be mafia, but I'm not sure enough on him to push anything like that at the moment, I'd rather give him time to display his true colours.

Sentinel does fit the 3p bill, also I think we'll have a lot more information on his alignment when the nukes get used today, if any of them land, so it doesn't seem to be wise to lynch him right now. strongandbig was bang on with his meta analysis of Sentinel as well, he was much more serious in Noir than he has been in this game.

On November 01 2013 01:39 Onegu wrote:
Lol I just got a PM I have a nuke, I will most likely not use it and let it expire. Still reading I put my son to sleep and showered and now power reading.

On November 01 2013 02:01 Koshi wrote:

You still stand by this HCC? Because if Seuss is town, he must have been extremely clueless this game. There was nothing in his filter about that, it was all "I am a mathematician and an analyst, I know precisely what I am doing".

You think I am over thinking his actions in my cases on him?
Like his behavior around Oats/Me, Sentinel/WoS?



@Oats
You didn't say anything about my cases on Seuss. At least Kush was honest. You don't have to spare my feelings.

On November 01 2013 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: HotCottonCandy

I want the explanation for why WoS had a scumread on me and analysis on why i would hit him for it.

On November 01 2013 14:15 OOHCHILD wrote:
inb4 vayne is asian

On November 01 2013 14:46 Pandain wrote:


You said this. What made you change, and what were you referring to? Also why is Koshi town, despite his post level I find his contributions pretty lackluster even considering what Koshi normally spams.

Do you also have a post why Oats is scum?

On November 01 2013 15:13 Pandain wrote:


That's how everyone used to do analysis at least a year ago.

dunno how u guys fucked up, but spam has become way too common in TL mafia.

On November 01 2013 15:16 Pandain wrote:
Vayne do you think there's any real chance he's town at this point?

On November 02 2013 08:51 marvellosity wrote:

I actually think how he talked about nukes is pretty consistent to how he started the game moaning about people outing their twitter powers.

On October 31 2013 01:45 Seuss wrote:


I'm a mathematician and an analyst. I'm trained to support my conclusions with facts/probable cause/proven theorems etc. This whole "I will post one sentence that is my conclusion and then cause a long confusing debate where no one has any idea what anyone else is thinking" thing baffles me.

But to reiterate what I said at the end of my post. I think OOHCHILD is scum, HotCottonCandy is probably scum, and Oats is looking pretty scummy as well.

On November 02 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:
Sentinel looks ok to me.

He just needs to post more and give reads and shit. That's all I want from him.

On November 04 2013 07:47 OOHCHILD wrote:
hcc you didn't say it outright but you had some shit like...
"there is more nefarious shit going on, like scum is in control of the thread"
you said somethign like that, which implies marv is scum.

On November 04 2013 07:49 OOHCHILD wrote:
how is "scum in control of the thread" if marv is town and marv is clearly in control of the thread?

On November 02 2013 08:48 HotCottonCandy wrote:
anyone wanna tell me if im just being paranoid or not? Look at Seuss' filter and see how many times he mentions nukes and asking people every little small detail about the nukes. It's like he is trying his hardest to pretend like he doesn't know what's going on.

On November 02 2013 08:54 HotCottonCandy wrote:


Yea but we now know that this moaning was coming from a scum perspective, so he was trying to look "townie" by rehashing stupid stuff that everybody knows which is the oldest trick in the book. He then goes a step further and fills up more content with the nukes. Is it a stretch to deduce that

1. Both of his partners pretty clearly have strong powers as well

2. association case to sentinel (not nearly as strong, but honestly he hasn't done anything to change my read on him)

I admit to confirmation bias so I'm asking for other opinions here

On November 02 2013 08:57 HotCottonCandy wrote:
Koshi that is what I dislike the most. He put light suspicion on a lot of people but the only person he ever thought to make a case on/vote for is sentinel KNOWING his vote/say has little meaning to this town. As a newbie scum, who is the easiest person to make a case on? yea that's what im hinting at. Of all the people the only person he could muster a solid scumread on was sentinel...not sketchy at all?

On November 02 2013 09:01 HotCottonCandy wrote:
and then later there is this post after big posts with zero content. he just summarizes the game you can read them for yourselves



LOLZ three random trash reads that basically come out of nowhere unless you call summarizing the game analysis. Idk if I feel as good about lynching oats now. I would go with sentinel or rayn at this point.

On November 06 2013 06:11 Promethelax wrote:
That does seem likely. But what? Never type ## in the thread? Power up everyone? Say yolo, twerk and something else fucking stupid without people hating them?

So if game is not over after Oats flips scum you think we're looking for a fourth scum?

On November 06 2013 06:29 marvellosity wrote:
btw if hosts made a game with tracker and watcher and KP isn't delivered by an individual mafia, I will hunt down the hosts and strangle them post-game.

On October 31 2013 03:20 HotCottonCandy wrote:
Incase I die

Power up roles - Sentinel, Koshi, marv, prom, and oats

vote changers - pandain, WoS, Seuss

Unknown/etc - OOHCHILD, rayn, SnB

Gonna go ahead and game the setup here and say there is 1 scum in each of these lists. Clarity flipped the same role that I am so I'm pretty sure there is 1 more VT. SnB is town from this deduction.

OOHCHILD - Now that I know it's kush this doesnt look like his recent townplay at all. He hasn't made any cases or deduced anything worth reading like has recently been the case, he has only been throwing suspicion on random people and then nuking completely different targets. His play is erratic and doesn't make sense. With that said, I don't think he would play this reckless as scum because in an experimental game it's just asking to get shot in the face in some way.

Rayn - Not as aggressive as you would like him to be, although I think it's more of him changing his playstyle then anything. He played like this more in Thug Life and Noire and he was town and scum respectively so it's a bit of a null tell there. On the other hand, he isn't actually pushing anything and has been absent for large chunks of the game where I would expect him to otherwise be. The fact that nobody really has any strong opinions in the game about him yet lead me to believe he is most likely the scum from this list.

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Pandain - What exactly has he done this game? Honestly nothing sticks out in my mind.

WoS - Glad we let him live, 100% town. if you can't see that from his recent posting then go home.

Seuss - From what I understand he is a newbie or close to it and he is simply playing like an earnest one. I don't see any malice in his play he just struggles to not be wishy-washy, probably nervous.

By process of elimination, pandain is the scum from this list.

Sentinel - gave everyone nukes but he is immune to them. 3rd party anyone? Makes quite a bit of sense is how blase he is this game, doesn't really care to weigh in on anything and just sorta drifting away in his own world. The role and his play lead me to believe 3rd party at this point.

Koshi - Similar to pandain, I honestly can't think of what he has done this game. Nuked Pandain though so if im going with my list he isn't scum unless he is a fucking genius.

Oats - Great day 1 play, it almost looked too good to be true for town oats. Recently has started slipping up more. Possibly scum here?

Marv - Not scum as far as I'm aware. He's pretty easy to read, a less annoying yamato.

Promethelax - This is the one I'm the least sure about. The last time I played with him he was 3rd party so I honestly have nothing to base anything off except his play here. Seems a bit too cocky to be scum but that's just a stupid heuristic. Keep an eye on this guy at lategame if we still haven't found the scum on this list by then. He has lapses of logic that just don't make sense at key points in the game.

On November 08 2013 03:08 Koshi wrote:

Why is Sent/Oats not together?

I could totally lynch Sentinel as well.