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On October 31 2013 02:15 marvellosity wrote:
Wave - why didn't you ##Twerk me??
I probabyl could have later in the day honestly after I was sure you were town and used my power on you, but by the point I was too self-focused on surviving and I forgot.
I make it a point of never powering people up in games like this as far as my reasoning for earlier in the day.
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On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die.
1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup).
2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do.
3) k
4) k
I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him.
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On October 31 2013 02:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:38 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait marv that is a bad idea. It only stops twitter powers, which they cant use as claimed vts. That's kind of the point. In case they're telling porkies, it stops them from doing any shenannies. Also why I said "safe" if you genuinely didn't know who to do it to and are worried about removing potentially useful town powers.
Oh yeah, he seemed real broken up about blocking me until you stepped in to show him the way.
Like, it's ncie tha you can direct his power now, but considering the fact that he didn't consider how anti-town his blocking of me could be (I say 'could' because it is possible he is town and genuinely thinks I'm scum), what does that say?
It seems pretty damn obvious to me that considering I'm claimed I have to use my power on the towniest town that ever towned or I'm fucked. (Though I suppose that doesn't limit the possibility of some sort of trade in a really close scenario, but even then i couldn't count on that as scum given the other vote-changing powers being around <---And I'm assuming some of them other than mine must belong to town)
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On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave?
First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum.
Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot.
Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch?
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On October 31 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:
[quote]
I do
Why am I scum
No one has made a case I can respond to
Also I'm not
Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:
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I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again.
Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts
Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave? First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum.Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot. Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch? See, I think you should be better than how you used your nuke. Sigh.
You're welcome to doublestack me if you'd like.
This isn't NWM, and in that game even when I KNEW for sure there was real shit flying around I wasn't 100% careful with how I redirected stuff.
I had a scumread, I wanted to make sure he was dead on the off chance some of the nukes are real, I used it. Especially since I have one headed towards me which may or may not be real. Pretty simple to me.
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On October 31 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
You know very well I can't doublestack anything right now.
Ah, true. I forgot.
Would you have if you could have?
I mean, you clearly believed me enough to change the lynch to policy lynch a townie over me. I've fooled you pretty well as scum before so did you think that you'd be able to catch me later if I did turn out to be scum?
Is this just papa marv admonishing his bad townie offspring?
What is the point of your posts?
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On October 31 2013 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm still stuck on rayn abandoning WoS to lynch Clarity. It's so unlike townrayn not to be all guns blazing for that lynch.
rayn doesn't mind shouting at me repeatedly if he thinks I should be lynching his target.
On one hand I think Rayn has actively been trying not to be as shout-y as he has been. Thug life is a good example I think.
On the other...I really AM surprised I was able to actually convince HIM of all people at the end of D1. If there's somebody who latches on against all odds, it's him.
About Rayn's power and the circumstances surrounding it---do you agree it is a townRayn-like thing to try and make plays?
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On October 31 2013 03:03 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:
[quote]
I do
Why am I scum
No one has made a case I can respond to
Also I'm not
Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:
[quote]
I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again.
Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts
Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave? First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum. Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot. Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch? Idk, I assumed he was talking about your lynch. The post of his is quoted in my post that you quoted.
Ok maybe that's where my inability to understand the context stems from. Why would Pandain assume you were trying to change a lynch of me here? He mentioned I guess that he's not sure if you are trying to change it or support it but that's not what I got out of the soft defenses of me at all---those were way too weak to change any sort of lynch and it was clear to me you actually wanted me lynched. I just assumed it was so a scum you could go back and point out the instances where you wished and washed so as not to be blamed.
Maybe Pandain can answer this stuff himself---he may be a good place to look as well.
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Does anyone have anything in particular they want from me atm? Chances are I'm gone until well after deadline (maybe some phoneposting but not sure).
I may be dead due to nuke but won't get shot so just in case I do die my reads are out there.
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VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude.
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On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi.
On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude.
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On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude. You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic?
I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post:
Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town.
Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part.
Can you explain?
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On October 31 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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tbh that's what Vayne does.
But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude. You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic? I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post: Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town. Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part. Can you explain? First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you.
It wasn't martyring, for the 1000th time. I didn't have a proper scumread and didn't want to throw my vote on anybody at random to avoid getting modkilled.
I completely disagree. I feel I attempted to provide just as much the first time I got back as the second; it seems the second time people were just more willing to listen and not all up in a frenzy for whatever reason. Maybe me included I suppose.
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On October 31 2013 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude. You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic? I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post: Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town. Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part. Can you explain? First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you. It wasn't martyring, for the 1000th time. I didn't have a proper scumread and didn't want to throw my vote on anybody at random to avoid getting modkilled. I completely disagree. I feel I attempted to provide just as much the first time I got back as the second; it seems the second time people were just more willing to listen and not all up in a frenzy for whatever reason. Maybe me included I suppose. You didn't say anything uselful. Then you voted for yourself. When people called you out of it you rng'd SnB. Then you said you're off. That's what i saw.
Alright, I guess I have to grant you guys that in terms of what you saw, but my feelings at the time were that I was doing everything in my power in the very short period of time that I had which included attempting to eat lunch while defending myself, trying to come up with some half-assed scumread without being able to properly filter dive, and respond to people. I had already resigned to my death the second time around because I hadn't even expected to be able to come back so I was much calmer---i think that's pretty obvious by the tone of my posts.
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On October 31 2013 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck are you doing this guys? Can we find scum instead?
WoS and Clarity were useless martyrs when i left. WoS came back and made better posts and actually wanted to play this game, Clarity didn't but skated by his "dick move town analysis" reads. When i came back i noticed this. If it's scummy from me sue me. But it's useless to talk about this because that's what i did and why i did it.
+ Show Spoiler +No, fuck that.
I know this isn't relevant to discussion right now but I want to make this very clear.
I WAS NOT MARTYRING AND HAD EVERY INTENTION TO FUCKING PLAY THE GAME AND DID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
It really pisses me off that that's what people constantly assume. It means people didn't read and made assumptions based on my activity before that last hour.
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On October 31 2013 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
notice the double disagreement. that's how wrong you are.
lol isn't marv's signature about how kush disagrees with himself haha
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On October 31 2013 04:28 OOHCHILD wrote:
WoS strikes me as someone who is pretty careful and calculating and his nuke just looked so fucking weird.
He couldn't stfu about how bad it was to use nukes, then he used one...
Rayne is sitting in the thread jumping on the easiest shit possible. Very very very very very unlike his townplay this game. What happened to your spam Rayne?
HotCottonCandy looks like a shit sundae.
im out until i finish this exam later tongiht.
This actually made me laugh.
not only is the top line wrong as hell, but the second line has you actually professing to read the thread?!
What a joke. Everybody knows you don't read shit and it shows.
Show me in my filter where I didn't stfu about how bad it was to use nukes.
Show me one fucking sentence.
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On October 31 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 04:57 Promethelax wrote:On October 31 2013 04:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
notice the double disagreement. that's how wrong you are. lol isn't marv's signature about how kush disagrees with himself haha in all fairness that came from a smurf game where kush was arguing with his other head. Was kush hydraing there? My best experience with hydras is when i asked geript if he thinks WoS is scum in Bluelightz game when they were hydraing. :D
haha I remember that---Geript threw a fit about it and I was like 'meh.'
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On October 31 2013 05:00 OOHCHILD wrote:
okay WoS i may have confused you with pandain. easy mistake to make i suppose because you are both scummy as hell
Yup totes scummy.
never mind the rest of the thread is coming around on me, you have done the complete opposite and found me town when everyone else found me scummy.
Should have kept your identity hidden man, you make the bile rise in the back of my throat and apparently the feeling is mutual.
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