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On October 29 2013 02:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote:
Well, I was/am finding Koshi somewhat scummy, so I thought I'd browse his most recent scumgame. And voila ^_^
For your Prome question, I'm kinda inclined to think he was just being bad. Like meh, seems a dumb thing to push if you're mafia, because it's so easy to pick holes in (witness what happened) But he didn't push it, which was the problem I originally had. He gave early scumreads and then didn't bother pursuing (aside from questioning Rayn regarding early powerup enabling, and he thinks Koshi is scum for similar). So what's the point? This is kinda nitpicky and I don't get where you're going with it. So he says it, it's dumb, you prove him wrong. I'm struggling to make that lean one way or another.
I'm not going anywhere with it anymore. I just wanted to know your thoughts on it because you never really commented one way or the other since Prome and me had it out while you were gone. It's just funny you say it's a dumb thing to push if he's mafia, but the fact remained that he didn't push it at all---maybe for exactly the reason you just stated. In any case i still have to look over your read on him before coming to a final decision about him and I get the feeling I'll be removing my vote....in which case I have to find someone new.
I'm not so sure Clarity is a useful target atm despite looking fairly scummy---I'd probably want to hear more from him first. I also don't give SnB's entry nearly as many points. Koshi mabes? He seems to be a popular choice as of late.
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It'll be interesting to see a game in which Koshi and Rayn aren't all up in each other's butts, to be sure.
Regarding Clarity, maybe it's just a lack of confidence in my Ver-fu (even though I have had 'insta-scum' moments from single posts) but to me the disconnect you're voting him on (ie Clarity knows better than this) doesn't seem as strong to me. I've seen Clarity play and I actually could see him believing in his case despite us seeing otherwise because Oats is a lot of different things to a lot of people. That being said his case/posting is still shit, but I could see it being possible town-shit.
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Still busy for the next little bit but checking in:
Didn't believe me that OOHCHILD is a smurf? The 'test' is in all likelihood a check to make sure he was posting on the right account. I wouldn't feel bad policy lynching that shit if for no other reason than to show it's doable on TL. His case goes beyond simple lurker lynch imo and would not be a bad choice.
Rayn/koshi---i don't really understand how you're both so surprised about my comment. No offense but ever since Persona I've found the two of your town combination real annoying, and I was thinking that since a lot of people have scumreads on koshi it may mean they're not both town---hence the not being butt-buddies this game.
Koshi's list post gives me pause however; I think he MAY be town for it but I have to gather my thoughts and still post re: Prome when I can. I may just end up on the safe route and take OOHCHILD because I'm not sold on Clarity like I've said.
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On October 29 2013 08:22 Pandain wrote:
The only problem with the post is it effectively said nothing except town reads( which can easily change).
The points are good but the timing is weird to me because I don't know what it did
Except that's what town Koshi does. Did it during the RNG discussion in Thug.
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On October 29 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 08:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Still busy for the next little bit but checking in:
Didn't believe me that OOHCHILD is a smurf? The 'test' is in all likelihood a check to make sure he was posting on the right account. I wouldn't feel bad policy lynching that shit if for no other reason than to show it's doable on TL. His case goes beyond simple lurker lynch imo and would not be a bad choice.
Rayn/koshi---i don't really understand how you're both so surprised about my comment. No offense but ever since Persona I've found the two of your town combination real annoying, and I was thinking that since a lot of people have scumreads on koshi it may mean they're not both town---hence the not being butt-buddies this game.
Koshi's list post gives me pause however; I think he MAY be town for it but I have to gather my thoughts and still post re: Prome when I can. I may just end up on the safe route and take OOHCHILD because I'm not sold on Clarity like I've said. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to comment on too many inconsequential things, but this is ludicrous. If someone is capable of smurfing, then someone is capable of looking at the top left to see who they're signed in as rather than having to post "test". This is spectacularly dumb, Wave.
Really?
Well I guess all of the smurfslips we've seen in past games are.....what exactly?
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On October 28 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote:Wave - The long and short of it is this, Wave - I think Prome is being too much of an arrogant ass to be mafia. Now, as you know, usually I have large reserves of faith in my powers (I can be arrogant ;p) but Prome is taking it to another level. So: Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 13:58 Promethelax wrote:
I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker.
Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create.
It takes remarkable confidence imo to propose creating a town circle with you at the head of it. I'm relating this back to me, but as mafia even I struggle to propose/say these sorts of things. Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:00 Promethelax wrote:
Oh, point I wanted to make about koshi saying oats was 3p for being able to be levelled up by non town:
Koshi is scum.
I'll leave this to another power upper to explain as it should show them I am town and show me they are town. Again with the ridiculous self-confidence. As if whatever his read is definitely makes him town, which it almost certainly doesn't. Townies rather than mafia tend to think "this SO makes me town" even when it doesn't. Toad is a prime example of this (say LIX, where his mason claim "confirmed" him town when it did no such thing). It's a double whammy because he also thinks that someone else with a power explaining it to him will make him town. All of this seems hard to fake as mafia. Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:30 Promethelax wrote:On October 28 2013 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 14:20 Promethelax wrote:On October 28 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 28 2013 14:08 Promethelax wrote:On October 28 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 28 2013 13:58 Promethelax wrote:
I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker.
Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create.
Oats, why should I power you up? You think I am scum for a bad reason and are generally a silky bastard who I would not give roles to this early. Remember carnival cruise where you never crumbed your cop checks and in death cleared a scum? You can stay powerless thanks. If you think everyone should be powered why have you not powered me and Marv? The two best payers with power up abilities.
Pandain, the fick are you doing? Why announce your return and vanish again. ##twerkSince when are you good at blue Prome. I really dont expect this from you prome. You shit on me for no reason, and you havent called me scum yet, but arent willing to argue your reads with me or do anything to convince people that someone else is scum. You should power me because you think Im town and you havent said im scum. I don't think you are scum. I think you are town. Two reasons I won't power you: 1 is [redacted due to ongoing game] 2 you don't need a power role right now. There are few people who use day 1 power roles really well and you aren't one, if you were mod confirmed town I'd give you power but the risk reward between giving a scum you power and a town you power is not worth it. Since forever am I good at blue. Look at my MS games or chronotrigger or...that might be all my blue games. What. You wont give me powers because you think Im bad? Non of my powers can hurt town, but they are nice to have. If you think Im town, there is literally no reason to not give me powers. I'm not sure I can be clearer, I think you are town lets out a number to it (this will make the rest of this example easier to show you) I'm 65% sure you are town. There is a 35% chance you are scum. I believe that the way you would use a power role as scum would benefit your team at least twice as much as the way you using your power role as town would benefit your team. Thus I chose not to power you up because I felt the cost benefit analysis suggested that voting you would be more helpful to scum than to town. Rayn, weigh In Here, am I being clear? Y/n Yes, and i think you think alike me regarding the powers. Could you give me an updated read on Pandain? I could but its too early to be clear with each other. Lets play a game: This post is the one I find most alignment indicative Tell me why and which alignment I think he is I think this post is pretty bad, and his subsequent reasoning for it isn't fantastic either (it's a little superficial in my opinion). But again, I see it as town bad. See again how it's like he's framing it that OTHER townies can show their alignment to HIM by working out what he's talking about. Again, hard to fake as mafia. These are the prime examples, but generally his filter reads as him being way too arrogant, assuming the townleader position, seeing things and quizzing others to see if they see the same as him ----> they are town. I think that's all quite impressive if he's mafia.
Yeah looking over this again, I completely disagree with the first point, and your second point is the best.
Problem here is this absolutely does not preclude Prome from being something like 3P, but it is certainly enough to be sure he is not a good vote choice for today, which I was coming around to anyway.
I'm way too paranoid to give either him OR you a townread right now though I can say with a fair amount of confidence that there is no way you are both scum.
##Unvote: Promethelax
##Vote: OOHCHILD
I'm happy with this as a placeholder if nothing else.
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On October 29 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 08:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Still busy for the next little bit but checking in:
Didn't believe me that OOHCHILD is a smurf? The 'test' is in all likelihood a check to make sure he was posting on the right account. I wouldn't feel bad policy lynching that shit if for no other reason than to show it's doable on TL. His case goes beyond simple lurker lynch imo and would not be a bad choice.
Rayn/koshi---i don't really understand how you're both so surprised about my comment. No offense but ever since Persona I've found the two of your town combination real annoying, and I was thinking that since a lot of people have scumreads on koshi it may mean they're not both town---hence the not being butt-buddies this game.
Koshi's list post gives me pause however; I think he MAY be town for it but I have to gather my thoughts and still post re: Prome when I can. I may just end up on the safe route and take OOHCHILD because I'm not sold on Clarity like I've said. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to comment on too many inconsequential things, but this is ludicrous. If someone is capable of smurfing, then someone is capable of looking at the top left to see who they're signed in as rather than having to post "test". This is spectacularly dumb, Wave. Really? Well I guess all of the smurfslips we've seen in past games are.....what exactly? Are people not looking at who they're signed in as. If you're thinking enough to post "test" then you're thinking enough to look at who you're signed in as.
I disagree, but like you said, inconsequential.
Convince me that Clarity is scum, marv.
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On October 29 2013 09:11 OOHCHILD wrote:
I posted "test" to determine the timezone of the time stamp that accompanies each post.
Why are you so obsessed with timezones?
And right as we talk about smurfslips.
LOL.
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On October 29 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 08:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Still busy for the next little bit but checking in:
Didn't believe me that OOHCHILD is a smurf? The 'test' is in all likelihood a check to make sure he was posting on the right account. I wouldn't feel bad policy lynching that shit if for no other reason than to show it's doable on TL. His case goes beyond simple lurker lynch imo and would not be a bad choice.
Rayn/koshi---i don't really understand how you're both so surprised about my comment. No offense but ever since Persona I've found the two of your town combination real annoying, and I was thinking that since a lot of people have scumreads on koshi it may mean they're not both town---hence the not being butt-buddies this game.
Koshi's list post gives me pause however; I think he MAY be town for it but I have to gather my thoughts and still post re: Prome when I can. I may just end up on the safe route and take OOHCHILD because I'm not sold on Clarity like I've said. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to comment on too many inconsequential things, but this is ludicrous. If someone is capable of smurfing, then someone is capable of looking at the top left to see who they're signed in as rather than having to post "test". This is spectacularly dumb, Wave. Really? Well I guess all of the smurfslips we've seen in past games are.....what exactly? Are people not looking at who they're signed in as. If you're thinking enough to post "test" then you're thinking enough to look at who you're signed in as. I disagree, but like you said, inconsequential. Convince me that Clarity is scum, marv. I literally could not have said anymore, and I think it's pretty dodgy you're saying this. Stop being bad please, it's giving me scumvibes.
Too bad.
If you want me to lynch your target then you should be looking to convince me, no? I'm not convinced. Be back in a little while.
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On October 29 2013 09:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 08:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Still busy for the next little bit but checking in:
Didn't believe me that OOHCHILD is a smurf? The 'test' is in all likelihood a check to make sure he was posting on the right account. I wouldn't feel bad policy lynching that shit if for no other reason than to show it's doable on TL. His case goes beyond simple lurker lynch imo and would not be a bad choice.
Rayn/koshi---i don't really understand how you're both so surprised about my comment. No offense but ever since Persona I've found the two of your town combination real annoying, and I was thinking that since a lot of people have scumreads on koshi it may mean they're not both town---hence the not being butt-buddies this game.
Koshi's list post gives me pause however; I think he MAY be town for it but I have to gather my thoughts and still post re: Prome when I can. I may just end up on the safe route and take OOHCHILD because I'm not sold on Clarity like I've said. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to comment on too many inconsequential things, but this is ludicrous. If someone is capable of smurfing, then someone is capable of looking at the top left to see who they're signed in as rather than having to post "test". This is spectacularly dumb, Wave. Really? Well I guess all of the smurfslips we've seen in past games are.....what exactly? Are people not looking at who they're signed in as. If you're thinking enough to post "test" then you're thinking enough to look at who you're signed in as. I disagree, but like you said, inconsequential. Convince me that Clarity is scum, marv. I literally could not have said anymore, and I think it's pretty dodgy you're saying this. Stop being bad please, it's giving me scumvibes. Too bad. If you want me to lynch your target then you should be looking to convince me, no? I'm not convinced. Be back in a little while. You, yourself, said "yuck" to Clarity's post, and since then, he just went to play dota and disappeared? Why aren't *you* convinced given what you've posted, or at least convinced enough to vote him over OOCHILD? That's really weak, WoS.
So Clarity pushing an obviously bad case makes him scum?
I see the point you make regarding he should know he's bad and not push it, but I posit that it's entirely possible that, you know, he wouldn't be pushing a bad case in the first place if he was scum because it looks like shit and would cause these problems for himself.
I agreed with your 'yuck' I am not convinced it's bad-scum.
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On October 29 2013 09:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 09:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 08:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Still busy for the next little bit but checking in:
Didn't believe me that OOHCHILD is a smurf? The 'test' is in all likelihood a check to make sure he was posting on the right account. I wouldn't feel bad policy lynching that shit if for no other reason than to show it's doable on TL. His case goes beyond simple lurker lynch imo and would not be a bad choice.
Rayn/koshi---i don't really understand how you're both so surprised about my comment. No offense but ever since Persona I've found the two of your town combination real annoying, and I was thinking that since a lot of people have scumreads on koshi it may mean they're not both town---hence the not being butt-buddies this game.
Koshi's list post gives me pause however; I think he MAY be town for it but I have to gather my thoughts and still post re: Prome when I can. I may just end up on the safe route and take OOHCHILD because I'm not sold on Clarity like I've said. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to comment on too many inconsequential things, but this is ludicrous. If someone is capable of smurfing, then someone is capable of looking at the top left to see who they're signed in as rather than having to post "test". This is spectacularly dumb, Wave. Really? Well I guess all of the smurfslips we've seen in past games are.....what exactly? Are people not looking at who they're signed in as. If you're thinking enough to post "test" then you're thinking enough to look at who you're signed in as. I disagree, but like you said, inconsequential. Convince me that Clarity is scum, marv. I literally could not have said anymore, and I think it's pretty dodgy you're saying this. Stop being bad please, it's giving me scumvibes. Too bad. If you want me to lynch your target then you should be looking to convince me, no? I'm not convinced. Be back in a little while. You, yourself, said "yuck" to Clarity's post, and since then, he just went to play dota and disappeared? Why aren't *you* convinced given what you've posted, or at least convinced enough to vote him over OOCHILD? That's really weak, WoS. So Clarity pushing an obviously bad case makes him scum? I see the point you make regarding he should know he's bad and not push it, but I posit that it's entirely possible that, you know, he wouldn't be pushing a bad case in the first place if he was scum because it looks like shit and would cause these problems for himself. I agreed with your 'yuck' I am not convinced it's bad-scum. And yet you're convinced enough that OOCHILD would make himself blatantly voteable by doing absolutely nothing and posting shit? That's more convincing to you? Ok Wave.
No, I'm not convinced he's scum. But I want players like this the hell out of my game.
I don't have any strong reads any more at the moment so this to me seems like the next best option. I am not convinced Clarity is scum and I have no desire to sheep.
You mention however that there is resistance to the lynch and so you feel better about it---this is a sentiment I often echo and can see where you are coming from. Can you explain to me in what context you are using this, however? Do you believe for example my soft defending your scumread makes me scum? Who else is resisting the lynch? What would I or others hope to gain from this?
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On October 29 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
As long as we're clear, Seuss, that you're policy lynching and not actually aiming for mafia.
I have taught him welll
bwa ha ha ha
I already call this lynch not happening though. End-day shenanigans gonna be too stronk and ultimately OOCHILD probably IS town, sadly. Marv can you answer my questions pretty plizz?
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On October 29 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
No, your questions are all either dumb or readily answered by reading the thread.
Tbh OOHCHILD isn't a terrible lynch and my vote would probably have gravitated there if I didn't find everything Clarity has done so terrible. I just get annoyed that people won't do what I want and then I argue in a really binary fashion. Meh.
I don't really appreciate that because the only question of those I asked that I think could be answered by reading the thread is 'who else is resisting.' I don't feel any of the others are dumb. Even were the answers obvious or stupid, there is still a point to me asking these questions to you, and that is so not only can I get information that I do not feel I currently have, but I can gain a better insight into your thoughts when you wrote what you did. Is that something you feel you shouldn't be providing?
In other news, I had a great idea.
##Boost Seuss
Couldn't think of doing this to a better person atm.
You seem down, Seuss. Let me cheer you up!
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Alright ladies and gents here's how it's going down.
##Uplift marvellosity
##Unvote
It appears as though I'm getting lynched today and I don't really have the time to fight it, so I'll just claim and be done with it.
I'm here for an hour and then I won't be back until post-deadline, so I can't exactly count on the whims of town to blow elsewhere in that time, and I'd rather us lynch into scum than town.
My earlier power use on Seuss was fake. Originally I had him as my strongest townread based on what I know of him from my interaction with him in my newbie game, and he was the only one I felt confident enough of throwing his vote in a good spot to make my power at least semi-useful, but I did want to gauge town reaction to power use first.
It seems nobody cared so i didn't really bother putting the power to use for real just in case of later-day shenanigans.
I am Oprah Winfrey and I have the power to create a double voter every day by uplifting them. You get a car, Marv! And YOU get a car!! Townread on marv is pretty strong now (usage of dick move analysis) so I'll leave it up to him if he so chooses to pursue the lynch on me---this will make it even stronger!
As far as OOHCHILD goes, his play is infuriating and needs to be punished, but of course this is TL and we lynch townies D1 because we think they're scum. I don't know where my vote should go atm because I'm trying to cram as much info as I can into this <hour that I have. Scum wins the day for sure.
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On October 30 2013 01:38 Promethelax wrote:
Wave, respond to my case
Your case is horseshit, and like many who play this game, you refuse to see any townie motivation behind anything I did, or simply that I am telling the truth throughout all of points you made.
i don't care that you don't like my first post. It's true. Look at my role and tell me that's not boring as shit and super pro-town.
I don't care that you don't like me bringing up 3P. It doesn't make me scum.
I don't even understand how you think i didn't follow up on you or that my case was bad in the slightest.
You are taking things against me and spinning them to fit your view of me as scum really late in the day.
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On October 30 2013 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
WoS, I dont see the point of you using your power.
Explain.
Dunno, cause if somehow I don't get lynched at least this'll confirm my role to you guys if at the very least, if you somehow believe there could be a mafia double-vote creator.
The extra vote won't show up until the final post of the day I believe.
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On October 30 2013 01:43 marvellosity wrote:
Sorry, dickmove analysis re: me, my reading fail. You don't think I'd use it as mafia, with you in the game and aware I'd not be using it though?? Seuss explanation would be nice.
I do think you are capable of using it as mafia, but I think as mafia, knowing I am in the game you'd probably specifically label it as such or make reference to me somehow. You used it rather offhandedly which makes me feel that it was genuine.
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.
It may be possible that Seuss is scum atm but I do not feel comfortable pushing anything with the limited time that I have, and would have to read closer which i frankly do not have time for especially if I need to be defending myself.
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On October 30 2013 01:43 strongandbig wrote:here's the thing i notice about wos's filter. there's a lot of talking about other people talking about himself. + Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Just popped in to say ##Paranoia I don't like your play this game either Prom.
Your first post yelling at everybody not to be powering everybody up....I completely agree with.
I just wouldn't have expected it to come from you.
You take it a step further though---you say not only is powering other people up dumb, but you say it's policy lynchable.
Have you pursued this course of action in your questioning of all of the people who have done so thus far?
And THEN, not 4 posts later, you explain to everybody how to power you up.
This reminds me of the very first ever game I played with you Prom, LX, in which you created some horseshit RNG talk early 'just to get discussion started' and you were promptly lynched for it---and flipped red.
So Prome, your reads list at the start of the game. All I remember is you saying you'd lynch me based on my entry to the thread. I don't see you pursuing your policy lynches, your apparent scumreads or your 'discussion.' Funny part is' you never actually call me scum, you just say you'd lynch me based on me entering the thread and leaving, and even THEN you don't pursue it, and have not mentioned me even once since then.
Your activity is pretty fantastic and all, and I get that you think Pandain tryharding is also pretty fantastic, but that don't mean shit imo. It's funny though, you say you'd rather base your read of Pandain off of what you get from him this game only and ignore his past meta, but you're ok to base your weak early read of me on meta even though you haven't played a game with me in ages?
You are incredibly inconsistent just from your first few posts and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit sir.
Care to discuss?
##Vote: Promethelax
On October 28 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 28 2013 14:16 Promethelax wrote:
Oats there is no case.
WoS had two points,
1) the powering thing, already addressed.
2) meta on him but not pandain, I've played with WoS before but not pandain.
Oh look, entire case refuted. Yeah, no Prome. First, the section Oats outlined. Second, I know how you play. You fucking meta the absolute fuck out of everybody in most games. Why are you halting at Pandain now? You say I 'liked' town? When I had played with you last that was all I had played. Period. If anything I remember bitching about still not having rolled scum yet. Third, the policy lynch discussion---who did you have in mind in your first post when you discussed people randomly powering people up without reasoning? And just like Palmar in Thug Life I will point out: you are basing a meta read of me on something that is months old and you are missing out on half my mafia career with that read. That seems like a terrible meta read Prome. Are you terrible? Palmar wasn't terrible when I called him out for that. He was scum. On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after.
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? On October 28 2013 22:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain. Your case to me seems based on basically nothing. Oats clearly posted his thing directly after my post not as a reply to it, and as far as correcting what he viewed as inconsistencies, that could theoretically be seen as towny since poking holes in a case on your scumread will either dismantle it or make it stronger---becoming something you can use. I don't personally believe it is alignment indicative but whatever. I didn't get a scumvibe from Oats for not specifically taking the points I used and running with them because he was working on his own stuff and looked like he was actually trying to figure out what was useful or not from my case. On October 28 2013 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote:
marv, that is kind of a subtle read. Not super subtle but like not a read I'd expect a newer player to have.
As soon as I typed this I realized WoS isn't actually all that new anymore, carry on.
Clarity. Explain what oats is doing here that is out of character for him. Unless he started making sense and not doing stupid shit/changing his mind all the time this is totally in line with his meta AND that meta applies to both alignments so even if he wasn't doing that (which he is) it wouldn't be alignment indicative. I'd get you the venn diagram but I think you get my point. So despite me harping on you for your meta read of me, you just realized this? Marv I actually had a townread on someone else this game for something very similar but that was very late last night and I can't remember who it was exactly. Not the arrogance but the quizzing and confidence that people 'see him as town and here's why.' I'll try to look back and figure out where it was I came up with that. Essentially your read to me makes sense, and I'm glad it is for reasons that didn't occur to me/are not related to my case since that gives me more to think about. I'm always a little bit wary of giving experienced players townreads based on mafia not being so upfront and arrogant though because there are definitely people very capable of that kind of play (ie Pandain). I guess in Prome's case it's mroe the mindset behind that type of play and his posting? I'll have a closer look. On October 28 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:I find the fact that Pandain even gets a slight scumread from my opening post hilarious. He's played games with me and should know almost every single opening post of mine is along the lines of what I rolled and I often whine about something, often what I rolled.  To me Pandain it looks more like YOU are the one who is trying to contribute something to look good---I don't find anything you picked out regarding me OR Rayn scum-indicative in any way, and as such I find your posting incredibly weak thus far. Oh and I suppose I should have mentioned this before the game started but considering my not-so-great play and the embarrassing length of my filter in Thug, I plan on keeping things way more concise than usual. I do not plan to be in the top few posters lengthwise this game. Make of that what you will. Anyway I'm tempted to fuck off until whatever Sentinel did resolves but I suppose that wouldn't be very helpful. Guess we'll see. generally i don't like this, not one bit. it's like, scum are much more likely to do that kind of thing than town, because they care much more about deflecting small amounts of suspicion from them. note that none of these early things that wos is responding to amount to any serious pressure, any serious chance of him getting lynched, but he still attacks the people who attack him. Prome, as for your case - (1) his soft claim - well, i guess it's getting towards 'later in the day' when he said he would use his post. but if we're talking about claims i think sent's is way worse than his. (2) not being here post - meh. i've done that as town, no reason why someone else cant. (3) 9 minutes. a little suspicious? but i could easily see him having gotten three or four of your filters from the database, scrolled through looking for big cases, and coming up empty in that amount of time. also if he actually knew it was bs, why say that as scum? (4) the 3p thing. yeah it's weird. is it scummy? Only if scum know there's a third party in the game that town doesn't know about, and we have no evidence that that's the case. i actually like rayn's case a lot better than yours, it's similar to the argument i made above about wave being self-focused, plus rayn's pretty right that town wave just has more backbone than in this game. overall i think wave is probably a good lynch choice today but i don't really agree with your case's reasoning for that.
So your point is that Rayn's case makes the most sense and I am playing with no backbone?
I have to try and read it (don't know if I have time---I haven't even fuckign eaten lunch and I only have like 40 min left) but again, I would think if I were too afraid of people as mafia i wouldn't have attacked Prome so early and for so long. And ask marv for a second, in my only mafia game EVER, was I afraid to push cases or post whenever I could? Backbone and confidence has absolutely ZERO to do with my alignment whatsoever.
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On October 30 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 30 2013 01:43 marvellosity wrote:
Sorry, dickmove analysis re: me, my reading fail. You don't think I'd use it as mafia, with you in the game and aware I'd not be using it though?? Seuss explanation would be nice. I do think you are capable of using it as mafia, but I think as mafia, knowing I am in the game you'd probably specifically label it as such or make reference to me somehow. You used it rather offhandedly which makes me feel that it was genuine. As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another. It may be possible that Seuss is scum atm but I do not feel comfortable pushing anything with the limited time that I have, and would have to read closer which i frankly do not have time for especially if I need to be defending myself. I literally do not want you to answer rayn or Prome's case, I want you to push who you think is the best lynch. That's the most important thing. You can defend cases if you have time AFTER you've pushed whatever you think the right lynch is.
That's a shame marv, because I don't really have one atm. I can tell you my thought process as I caught up:
Was going to vote Clarity after his 'welp' post, and then he came back and raged and dickmove analysis. Thing is, I wonder if Clarity WOULDN'T pull that as scum, because I really have no idea. In any case, would have taken my vote off.
OOHCHILD comes back and is an absolute dick to everyone: I would have posted about how comfortable I am policy lynching him for such, but then he posts actual reads and analysis---the sentiment of which is infuriatingly different from basically anything anyone has at any point in time. He is confident enough to call me town right now when the entire thread wants my head in the noose and drawing the utmost attention to himself. Could be INCREDIBLY BALLSY scum but K.I.S.S. says no.
Any scum case I push right now will not have any followup or much analysis done so i'd rather let town leaders take the reins here and do what they feel is best, as much as I hate sheeping. Maybe I will try to look into Seuss a little with the remaining time I have because he strikes me as very timid this game---either a result of being afraid of playing with the 'big boys,' or afraid to look bad and get singled out as scum, and I know ol' Monte is not a timid guy. He raged at me a little in our QT last game because he assumed I had spoiled something for him while he was doing MASSIVE analysis, so he is clearly not afraid of of performing said analysis (which he hasn't this game) and not afraid of taking on people more experienced than him.
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Oh, another random thing in case I die.
Does the fact that I have liked basically everything Oats has done this game make him scum?
I know for a fact in almost every single game I have played with Oats he has either played like shit, looked scummy as shit, or made me really mad and been town. He has done none of those things here and the only game I can remember where he was unremarkable and I never even thought to look at him was Ego.
Where he was scum.
I'll have to have a look at him if I survive as well.
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