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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 00:16 GMT
#2597
I have no idea if my nuke is real or not, but until it blows/dud's i treat it as real.
You can't do anything else unless you know the nuke in fact is not real.
Oats is scum.

I am off to bed. cya tomorrow
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 00:18 GMT
#2600
On November 01 2013 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tee me Oats, which of the other nuke users i should heve nuked and why?

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 23:26 OOHCHILD wrote:
Reason why I nuked WoS:
It was a very impulsive move. I was just pissed that clarity had been lynched instead of him, since i had a pretty good townread on clarity. Should be pretty obvious by now but my scumread on WoS changes every second, from probs town to OMG SUCMMIEST PLAYER in the game as I weight the arguments in my head. Right now I could see him flipping either way. I tried to read through his filter last night but I didn't do it full and I wasn't fully present and I didn't make any good conclusions.

Bad reason, clearly nuke OOHCHILD.
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 12:01 Pandain wrote:
This is a policy nuke and I hope its real
##Nuke strongandbig


Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 11:37 strongandbig wrote:
Okay
##Nuke HotCottonCandy

Oh wait I spelled it wrong

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 11:45 HotCottonCandy wrote:
well that makes this choice easier

##Nuke strongandbig

Doesn't mention me the entire game then randomly nukes me, hurpadurpa.


Basically all the nukes had little to no reason attached, why did you focus on me instead of other people you thought were scum day 1?

Your reasoning is bad regarding HCC and Pandain. SnB is a different story but at least he nuked my scumread.
OOHCHILD is being nuked by marv.
Why should i have nuked these people over you again?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 00:21 GMT
#2603
On November 01 2013 09:18 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. Tomorrow i am taking control over this game because i am The President of United States of America and there is no real direction and it bother the shit out of me.


This bugs the shit out of me because this distinctly did not even come close to happening today.

Quite the opposite in fact.

Yeah i have been confused by all the shit there is and trying to make something out of it.
I tell who to lynch in the morning, i wanna see the Americans post before.
Now bed, for realz. I don't want to be sleeping all day again as today.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 00:23 GMT
#2605
Oh Prome nuke Seuss/Onegu plz.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 07:16 GMT
#2728
Morning.

I am honestly going to look more closely into Prome, he hasn't said shit since forever. Vayne seems town from his contributions last night - almost definitely, explanation coming up. kush starting to make sense, still wondering why marv nuked him so early. Yet to read Pandain's case on SnB, doing that in a couple of hours aswell. SnB is just meh at this point. Oats scum but it doesn't matter cos nuked. Onegu good lynch. Sentinel has disappeared, i don't like that. Nothing to say about Koshi besides <3
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 07:16 GMT
#2729
kush is almost definitely town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 07:18 GMT
#2731
Pandain quick question, why did you bring up me looking bad cos WoS got NK'd? Give simple explanation fast.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 07:22 GMT
#2733
wrong answer.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 07:24 GMT
#2735
It's wrong because marv was suspicious of me too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 07:25 GMT
#2736
hey same question to kush. If i was scum why would i kill WoS?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 07:29 GMT
#2740
On November 01 2013 16:27 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's wrong because marv was suspicious of me too.

But marv was probably going to be protected that's why we didn't shoot him in thug or noir or whatever.


Do you understand this doesn't change the fact that he was suspicious of me?
You just said WoS was the only person suspicious of me..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 07:36 GMT
#2746
kush can you still answer, even if you think i am not scum. there's a reason why i am asking you that.
Imagine i am scum in this game. Why would i in your opinion hit WoS?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 07:56 GMT
#2761
I think this kush's role discussion is extremely useless because it does not tell anything about his alignment.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 09:31 GMT
#2770
On November 01 2013 18:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Pandain i really want to know how you go from this:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 10:12 Pandain wrote:
I can never read kush.

Also why do my nukes disappear but not yours?

...inbetween
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 01 2013 08:36 Pandain wrote:
You should probably nuke Kush, he's playing way too certain and shit. It's just really throwing me off.

On November 01 2013 10:29 Pandain wrote:
Rayn is being too much of a dick to be scum imo, along with other reasons.

I could lynch Seuss, think Oohchild is the best lynch even though he's being nuked, and could lynch Vayne. Where he at?

On November 01 2013 14:40 Pandain wrote:
I'm probably totally wrong but that's okay, if I'm wrong I'll just improve as a person and player after the game.

Promethelax
WaveofShadow
Pandain
[UoN]Sentinel
Oatsmaster

Koshi
strongandbig
OOHCHILD

marvellosity
Seuss Onegu
Clarity_nl
HotCottonCandy
raynpelikoneet



So ideally, there you have it. Assuming 3 scum and an SK, that's it.


...to this:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 15:10 Pandain wrote:
Even though I'm not sold on it, I think the reasons for voting you are better then the reasons for voting strongandbig.

##Unvote strongandbig
##Vote OOHCHILD


You have a big fucking case on SnB. You say you can't read kush. In the spoilers are all posts where you even talk about kush in a read-manner. There you say kush's response to your case on snb is okay, and nothing else in there supports the idea of kush going from "can't read" -> "scum".

The only thing i see there is kush's role and that's a really weak reason to think someone is scum. Or if you do think so, tell how kush's claim, his timing of the claim, and his role makes him scum. He has already told why he did claim when he did. How does that make him scum, you have commented nothing on that.

On top of that there are some serious issues in your reads. They change for no apparent reason, mainly your reads on Vayne and Koshi. Vayne suddenly gets upgraded to green from "i could lynch him" for this reasoning:
Show nested quote +
I really feel like Vayne is just playing me, even superior, but I'm going to give a town read to him

That's weak, really weak Pandain. And Koshi for no apparent reason goes from "i don't mention him up for lynching" to top 4. For what?

Overall Pandain, i find your scumreads to be based on really weak reasons, or no reasons at all. Besides SnB, which i am going to look next into (your case).

Explain your scumread on Koshi and kush. Explain why you suddenly gave a town read on Vayne.

...filter...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 09:44 GMT
#2774
Every read of Pandain's is really weak..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 10:15 GMT
#2784
Pandain's posts on SnB says this:
Part 1:
- snb prolly want's to bring his a-game here because he's on a losing streak
- snb makes an assumptions-based argument (he does not say why the assumption is bad, just that assumption based arguments are bad -remember what Pandain's case on me D1 was based on - 100%)
- I don't understand what's wrong in snb saying "i think Oats has a good case on Pandain" and i don't see how Pandain explains how this is scummy from snb. I also do not see any contradiction there
- twerk/yolo argument is purely assumptions based from Pandain. He never asks about this from snb. Remember what he said about assumptions based arguments.. right
- "should i update koshi" is a valid point

Part 2:
- About snb -WoS post. I think snb's post was spot on. Prome's case was not strong imo. notice that Pandain makes the argument on D2 when WoS has flipped. Why not bring this up on D1 if he thought WoS was town and this post is bad?
- "Filtering Pandain" argument. Why is it weird to filter your top scumread? red part is just so wrong. This whole argument is so wrong and bad.
- "voted for WoS" argument. snb is scum for voting for WoS when he did. how? i can't see it from the argument. because Clarity was suspicious for snb too? Pandain why do you need to attach the "WoS is confirmed town now, remember into nearly all your arguments?
- "So you always think of reasons why you're not scum instead of why you're town . SnB's reasons are that he's not scum, instead of that he's town." WTF IS THIS? THAT'S THE EXACT SAME THING ROFL!
- "if people are telling the truths about their powers then clarity gets lynched i think" argument. I don't understand what Pandain talks about here but i agree snb's comment is weird.

Part 3:
- " scum-esque style of posting" i don't see how. I said the exact same thing, why am i not scum?
- "how about this guys" totally incorrectly interpreted by Pandain. snb is giving a definite opinion, Pandain says the opposite.
- " Contradiction with his nuke " there is no contradiction
- ends the case with good town post...



So after all Pandain's case that holds water on SnB is:
- Does not have an opinion of his own about whether or not he should update Koshi on D1.
- Makes a weird comment on Clarity needing to be lynched because of his role.
That's what i see in his case, everyother point is invalid.


However, his conclusions are:
On November 01 2013 08:03 Pandain wrote:
Conclusion and Overall Look


1. SnB's play is more like his play in Thug Life then TL Noir

2. SnB has been posting like a scum and not like a town. He is appearing town by posting analysis, but failing to try to catch and find scum by failing to engage in town discourse or really push his reads. He gave poor reasons for lynching WoS and I don't like how he just ignored Clarity.

3. I simply don't like his abrupt nuke on HCC

4. I don't get the feeling he genuinely cares about this game. He is on a 6 game streak and is playing not just poor but like somewhat uninterested despite all his posting.

1) Pandain has talked about one post that by his own words supports the argument. I think it's incorrect.
2) Somewhat okay. I agree SnB has been pretty useless in scumhunting and the point on Clarity is okay.
3) And this makes SnB scum how? Other people have nuked aswell, how is SnB's nuke worse than Oats' or Sentinel's?
4) Basically same as point (2).

That's what i think of your case Pandain.
Worth of lynch over other people? No.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 10:19 GMT
#2787
So Pandain made a big post that said very little and was 90% wrong.
Told you kush!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 10:20 GMT
#2788
On November 01 2013 19:18 Onegu wrote:
Oh is it too late to launch my nuke now?

I think the nuke deadline was ~1 hour ago.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 10:41 GMT
#2804
Let's kil Prome! At least until he does something.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Promethelax


also ##Twerk
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 10:46 GMT
#2806
On November 01 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's kil Prome! At least until he does something.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Promethelax


also ##Twerk

Could you please

##Relegate me?

I can't. I have a night power aswell, and i can't use powers two phases in a row (something i missed on D1).
I really really can't marv. But everyone should twerk you.
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