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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 10:17 GMT
#2379
like the middle part is the only thing that could even be considered to be a scumread'y, and we talked about it after this and WoS had nothing against my explanation.

That's why i wanna kill everyone who said WoS kill "makes rayn look bad" and i want an explanation. I don't even remember who those people were because i am so tired.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 10:22 GMT
#2380
So apparently it was CandyVayne and marv!! Wut?? marvyyy, explain?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 10:49 GMT
#2387
On October 31 2013 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm still stuck on rayn abandoning WoS to lynch Clarity. It's so unlike townrayn not to be all guns blazing for that lynch.

rayn doesn't mind shouting at me repeatedly if he thinks I should be lynching his target.

(1) On one hand I think Rayn has actively been trying not to be as shout-y as he has been. Thug life is a good example I think.

(2) On the other...I really AM surprised I was able to actually convince HIM of all people at the end of D1. If there's somebody who latches on against all odds, it's him.

(3) About Rayn's power and the circumstances surrounding it---do you agree it is a townRayn-like thing to try and make plays?

This is WoS' answer to you marv:
1) seems town
2) hmm, okay i agree that's weird
3) seems town

Here is the discussion:
On October 31 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:
[quote]
i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh.

That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read.

Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about.

yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it.

that's me listening to koshi.

On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'

Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude
.


You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you?
It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic?

I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post:
Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town.


Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part.

Can you explain?

First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you.

It wasn't martyring, for the 1000th time. I didn't have a proper scumread and didn't want to throw my vote on anybody at random to avoid getting modkilled.
I completely disagree. I feel I attempted to provide just as much the first time I got back as the second; it seems the second time people were just more willing to listen and not all up in a frenzy for whatever reason. Maybe me included I suppose.

You didn't say anything uselful. Then you voted for yourself. When people called you out of it you rng'd SnB. Then you said you're off. That's what i saw.

Alright, I guess I have to grant you guys that in terms of what you saw, but my feelings at the time were that I was doing everything in my power in the very short period of time that I had which included attempting to eat lunch while defending myself, trying to come up with some half-assed scumread without being able to properly filter dive, and respond to people. I had already resigned to my death the second time around because I hadn't even expected to be able to come back so I was much calmer---i think that's pretty obvious by the tone of my posts.

This is where the discussion ends (barring some useless banter about what's martyring and what's not after that). And this looks like a scumread?? Seriously?

After this we joke about my imbalanced hydra-town-hunting skillzors and WoS never brings this up again.


I have no idea how to process this because i don't really see how anyone can after this interpret that WoS has a scumread on me. I also am not going to try to do it now because i gotta seriously take a nap..

but marv and vayne seriously what the hell? to some extent pandain aswell.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 22:45 GMT
#2546
Pandain that's really hard to read.. Can you just consolidate on main points?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 22:46 GMT
#2547
marv i am still nuking Oats.
Someone else can do Seuss. There are other nukes right, Prome?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 22:48 GMT
#2550
##Vote: HotCottonCandy

I want the explanation for why WoS had a scumread on me and analysis on why i would hit him for it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 22:49 GMT
#2551
marv why did you nuke kush so early?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 22:50 GMT
#2552
On November 01 2013 07:47 OOHCHILD wrote:
its not hard to read but can you do a tldr?

post by post analysis are so bad and don't serve the purpose..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 22:57 GMT
#2556
On November 01 2013 07:52 OOHCHILD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 01 2013 07:47 OOHCHILD wrote:
its not hard to read but can you do a tldr?

post by post analysis are so bad and don't serve the purpose..


Not true? but pandain i actually read your entire case for real and it didn't convince me.

yes true. Even the worst mafia players do not slip in every post of theirs. I can tell from Pandain's case, even when i havn't read it, and even if SnB is scum, that at least 50% of his points are invalid. If you do a case like that the main point gets buried somewhere between there and it's alot easier for scum to defend as if they defend 90% of the case it looks good even if it's the 10% that actually makes them scum, just because they defended pretty much everything -> case is bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 23:02 GMT
#2558
On November 01 2013 08:01 OOHCHILD wrote:
pandain didn't analyze every single one of his posts..
thats how analysis is done mostly... you find the scummy posts and you say what's scummy about them

Do you seriously think scum!SnB has 20 scummy posts? Every one of those posts Pandain quoted can possibly make him scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 23:08 GMT
#2562
Pandain why did you start making bad posts again..?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 23:09 GMT
#2563
Also give me good reasons why Oats is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 23:15 GMT
#2567
I am going to read your case later.
I think Oats is scum because his nuke on Koshi who is obviously town and was then, the reasoning makes zero sense.
Also he has no reads at all, which mirrors his play from Ego. I have never seen town!Oats have no scum reads on D2, however dumb his reasons might be.

Now why is he town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 23:21 GMT
#2570
Maybe we should all learn from this guy on how to make cases:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&currentpage=139#2764
;D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 23:26 GMT
#2571
On November 01 2013 08:18 Pandain wrote:
I explained earlier why I thought Oats was town, so if you're not going to give me the respect of reading my case I'm not going to give you the respect of answering you now.

You havn't talked a single bit about Oats before N1 start besides calling him town and asking "doesn't Oats bus as scum" when marv asked you about it. So no, i thought Oats was town too on D1, not any more.

The difference is i have whole tomorrow to look at your case and to decide a lynch. I only have 9.5 (or smth) hours to decide my nuke target. It's 1:30 MA and i need to sleep in that time frame so i am pretty sure you can see my problem.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 31 2013 23:27 GMT
#2572
EBWOP: After N1 start.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 00:02 GMT
#2580
##Nuke Oatsmaster
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 00:04 GMT
#2584
On November 01 2013 09:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
sick nuke rayn.
##vote Rayn

Hey you just said your nuke on Koshi is not alignment indicative as all the nukes are dud's, how is this one now?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 00:05 GMT
#2585
Also nuke on Koshi was awesomesauce. Why do you only target me for a bad nuke? Im sure other people also nuked dudes who you thought were town. And basically no one gave reasoning for their nuke. So why are you only focusing on me Rayn?
Also nuke was fake so that point is basically moot.

Unless you somehow know your nuke was fake this point is totally not invalid.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 01 2013 00:08 GMT
#2587
Tee me Oats, which of the other nuke users i should heve nuked and why?
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