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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 16:37 GMT
#1957
For serious Suess, I get that those things happened but this game is about conclusions not summaries.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 17:08 GMT
#1978
On October 31 2013 01:56 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 01:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Regarding OOHCHILD, assuming that you know nothing about him beyond what he has done in this game, do you think it is likely play as scum to be attention-grabbing, abrasive and insulting as he has been, despite his random waffling on me? I'm curious.


Yes. This is probably the perfect game for that sort of disruptive play. Just look at the players. Aside from marv and maybe Prom there's just a giant mess of people underperforming and making it easy for scum to do whatever they want. OOHCHILD is certainly making himself a target, but in a game where everyone's a target that can be pretty good cover.

He's also apparently got his smurf/kush thing to fall back on and throw you all off, which has apparently been fairly successful so far. I don't think "meta" play is bad per se, but I'm going to call it like I see it.


hey! I resent that! I'm under-preforming.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 17:23 GMT
#1988
On October 31 2013 02:21 OOHCHILD wrote:
It's kind of lame that everyone wants to lynch me for shit I can't control.

And prome in my recent scum games I have not been bussing scum and defending townies. I really only ever did that in games with people who didn't know about it.

I remember there was this game where someone who knew about it came in as a replacement and I got fucked.


So why were you so sure clarity was town? You got all up in everyone's business about it but couldn't justify your reasons. Explain.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 17:28 GMT
#1996
On October 31 2013 02:27 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 02:23 Koshi wrote:
On October 31 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Interestingly only 5 people twerked me despite me being a universal townread. You guys are super rubbish.

Who?

Koshi, I reverse my previous decision on what we were talking about.


cobrauntank cobrauntank!
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 17:31 GMT
#1999
who do you think is scum?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 17:44 GMT
#2011
On October 31 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
"In case they're telling porkies"
You talk like a english grandmother Marv, are you SURE you are a 25+ old guy?


marv wishes he was 25.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 18:26 GMT
#2042
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.

Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 18:28 GMT
#2045
and Vayne, you don't believe there is a scum goon? You think every red has powers?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 18:31 GMT
#2048
On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.

Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx.

tbh that's what Vayne does.
But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god..


Actually every one of his reads are 'safe' and terrible. The only one I find mildly convincing is Sent and that is still a really safe read. I kinda wish marv had followed my shenanies instead of making his own.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 18:32 GMT
#2053
Like I get being worried about the Rayn passiveness. But Pandain has done things (albeit some pretty bad) and koshi is not a genius so I don't get the conclusion that he is scum based on what Vayne thinks.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 18:36 GMT
#2061
On October 31 2013 03:32 HotCottonCandy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.

Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx.


well I apologize that you don't agree but that's the way I went about it. Instead of my theory tell me what exactly you disagree with because I don't think a pandain/rayn/oats scum team sounds that crazy do you?

They are all contributing but at the same time aren't exactly without holes.

And to your 2nd question, there is only 3 VTs in this game unless SnB is lying, which would make it only 2. Gonna use logistics here and deduce that a 3 man scum team with a goon here would be a heavily town favored setup.


I doubt that pandain is scum based on the people who have spoken out about his past and a certain level of sincerity which feels pretty okay.

Oats could be scum, his early game looked really good and that is what he does as scum. But I'm not terribly sure of him one way or the other.

Rayn seems much likelier town to me than kush. He was in the thread being not retarded. So even if he is scum he wouldn't be the first for me to kill.

I'm not saying that couldn't be the scum team. It wouldn't be totally out of left field but I wouldn't call it the most likely.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 18:59 GMT
#2080
On October 31 2013 03:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
Which do you not agree with?

i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh.

That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read.

Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about.

yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it.

that's me listening to koshi.

On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'

Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude
.


You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you?
It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic?

I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post:
Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town.


Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part.

Can you explain?

First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you.

It wasn't martyring, for the 1000th time. I didn't have a proper scumread and didn't want to throw my vote on anybody at random to avoid getting modkilled.
I completely disagree. I feel I attempted to provide just as much the first time I got back as the second; it seems the second time people were just more willing to listen and not all up in a frenzy for whatever reason. Maybe me included I suppose.

In fairness I agree the 2nd time was better than your 1st time which was pretty lame.


I'd like to add my voice to this. WoS before an hour before the deadline was a useless asshole.

Rayn, you just bowed out of explaining why you weren't unhappy about the clarity lynch. Explain it. And explain why you wouldn't explain it.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 19:02 GMT
#2085
On October 31 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.

Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx.

tbh that's what Vayne does.
But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god..

Don't really agree tbh.

Which do you not agree with?

i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh.

That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read.

Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about.

yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it.

that's me listening to koshi.

Okay this is really annoying.. i will now shut up.

you said you'd shut up instead of explaining yourself
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 19:12 GMT
#2090
We can talk about it in post game but your posts before last hour indicated that you were, in fact, a useless martyr.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 19:15 GMT
#2093
rayn: why? Also, why announce in thre- oh.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 19:21 GMT
#2095
I'd like an answer for the first one, like for reals. The second is a bit of a joke as there are two or three good reasons for it.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 19:37 GMT
#2106
AS opposed to this whole game where you haven't been mentally present? Yeah, wanna share your wincon so I can decide if you should live?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 19:48 GMT
#2115
I'm so hostile all the time.

I don't really like that you have done dick all game besides play with your role and go after kush. Others seem to have tried to find scum. Do you have any reads besides OOH?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 19:53 GMT
#2122
so how did the interaction of OOh nuke ---> WoS effect your read on them?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 30 2013 19:57 GMT
#2125
On October 31 2013 04:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
notice the double disagreement. that's how wrong you are.

lol isn't marv's signature about how kush disagrees with himself haha

in all fairness that came from a smurf game where kush was arguing with his other head.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
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