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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 09:49 GMT
#2360
Ok, you should read page 19 if you want to see 4 people enter the thread. But that's not why I think Seuss is scum.

I have been reading from page 19 till 37 and Seuss hasn't posted in the thread once after his initial post while not responding to anybody. He always responds to something said about him and that's it.

His first read post contains 3 names.
Prome who he gives a townread for interacting with him.
SnB null read.
Oats scum read.

I instantly ask him if he thinks I am town after that and he answers 'yes'

Now I am looking at all my posts after that and there is no reason for him to think I am scum. I constantly give rayn/marv/Oats/Seuss townreads. But for some reason he gives Oats a power up and not me, while he called me town and I am saying all his townreads are town.

Shit doesn't make sense.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 09:52 GMT
#2364
I think scum might have had 2 KP this night.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 09:53 GMT
#2366
I don't know how many votes Prome and Oats had, but maybe there is a vigi power up.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 09:56 GMT
#2368
Can you 2 stop being bitches towards each other? Jeez.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 09:57 GMT
#2370
On October 31 2013 18:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 18:52 Koshi wrote:
I think scum might have had 2 KP this night.

???

Yeah, WoS is a cool second target if Seuss is scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 09:57 GMT
#2371
It's 100% gut feeling.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 10:08 GMT
#2376
Also WoS is a good framekill to make rayn look bad.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 10:08 GMT
#2377
But I go continue read.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 10:38 GMT
#2383
Seuss is 100% scum.

Look at this shit.
Page 37-57:
Page 37 he has a scumread on Oats and a townread on Koshi
In the following 20 pages I am total town, like, I don't even understand why you people don't call me the towniest fucker in the world. I made a lot of comments that got positive feedback from the thread, like my analysis on rayn got a "good" from marv, I made a decent case on Pandain that was not shot down. There really wasn't anything that Seuss saidwas bad.
Oats on the other hand did really little in these 20 pages, go look at the posts Oats made there, it is almost nothing, and it is "Oats being in your face", which is the reason Seuss didn't like him in the first place.

Then Seuss gives Oats his powerup.
I ask why:
On October 30 2013 00:07 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 00:01 Koshi wrote:
WHAT ABOUT UPDATING KOSHI

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:


I'm only using hastags for people who I feel very confident are town. I don't have a strong read on you either way at the moment (Clarity is elitist as a reason for training him? What?), so I'm holding off.

I'm very much with marvellosity on the whole "We have a bunch of people will revealed powers, are they really all town?" question. I've got my fingers crossed that [UoN]Sentinel didn't ride the crazy train into a fully charged one-shot mafia power.

So he doesn't update me because I say clarity is an elitist in this game and would do more than just play on sentiment and sincerity?
Where does he explain why he power ups Oats? Nowhere. I asked about it N1 and he fucking didn't know how to reply.

But between me asking why there is marv power upping me:
On October 30 2013 00:02 marvellosity wrote:
##Update Koshi

There you go, twinkletoes.


So why the fuck is Seuss not powering me up?

And it's not that he isn't powering me up, it's that he feels I am scum and Oats is town while it should be the other way around for him.


Also Seuss is not allowed to play the fucking newbie card anymore if he is this confident in his read on me and his read on Oats.

And he says it was a mistake to power up Oats on N2 only because I pressed him and he can't explain his actions.


DO NOT NUKE SEUSS. LYNCH HIM. OR GIVE ME VERY GOOD REASONS WHY HE IS TOWN.

protip: there aren't.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 10:39 GMT
#2384
##vote Seuss
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 10:47 GMT
#2386
On October 31 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, normally I think your cases are the worst things I ever set eyes on, but that seems to make some sense. I'll filter him a little later with what you've just said in mind.

Have you thought about how Seuss dealt with his voting power/counterclaim with WoS/surrounding stuff with that?

No I am on page 57 atm and there is a burning and madenning tunnel inside me. And I already said I found it strange that he counterclaims WoS while he should have counterclaimed Pandain earlier as well. Or at least connected the dots while he was counterclaiming WoS.

I tell you. He wanted to get WoS lynched pregame and he went for it there.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 10:55 GMT
#2389
Really nobody cares anymore about WoS because he gave Seuss a townread while Seuss is obvious scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 10:58 GMT
#2392
They can both remove votes atm. It's so fucking sick if they are both scum...... Fuck.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 11:00 GMT
#2394
yes that is perfect.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 11:06 GMT
#2397
On October 31 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Just from a game setup perspective, it makes sense to have 2 vote altering powers on townside and 1 on mafia. 2 for mafia seems pretty sick.

Yeah if they hold that a secret it can be lylo really fast without us noticing.

Pandain is town for not keeping it a secret if Seuss is scum with him. Casually dropping that power makes him town atm. I need to look who made that case on Pandain saying it is scummy.

2 scum with vote power altering is close to impossible.
3 town with vote power altering is possible because town loves to lynch in that kinda shit. However, WoS NK could be for this reason....
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 11:48 GMT
#2398
So this is how the thread went.

rayn makes scumcase on WoS --> votes WoS
marv votes WoS
Prome makes case on WoS
Everybody and their mother think WoS is scum. (Marv even pressures Seuss into voting WoS because Seuss 180 on WoS, Seuss replies that he thinks WoS lynch is not bad)

WoS claims
Thread doesn't know anymore

Seuss CC on WoS and is pretty sure WoS is scum now.
Thread believes this and new votes pile on WoS.

On October 30 2013 02:04 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:53 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:49 Promethelax wrote:
find scum > defend self, fool


This is something I've been struggling with this game.

I'm having the opposite problem, I'm finding more people suspicious than usual. Curious that you're struggling to make any better vote than a policy vote.


To elaborate, you guys move a lot faster than I've been prepared for and I've been struggling to keep up. Combined with a fair amount of scrutiny I've spent more than defending myself and reading then hunting scum.

So let me do something important here.

##Encourage marvellosity

Astute eyes probably picked up on the fact that I had a power from one of my most scrutinized posts. At one point I incorrectly assumed that everyone had powers. It's a basic logical step.

I'm counter-claiming WaveofShadow here somewhat. My power adds +1 to a player's vote. Given that Pandain can allegedly nullify someone's vote entirely it's not complete madness to think there are multiple voting powers around, but WaveofShadow's is too close to mine for me to be comfortable with it.



On October 30 2013 02:50 Seuss wrote:
I would like to prospose, so long as Wave doesn't continue his suicidal streak, that we arrange for a test of our voting powers, and lynch [UoN]Sentinel pending verification of said powers in tonight's vote.

I've selected [UoN]Sentinel for a few reasons. To summarize, he's obtained a power that he allegedly can't explain, when everyone else seems to have a clear understanding of their powers. He's defended his evasiveness on the grounds that he thought people would second guess themselves if his power didn't activate, when people started second guessing themselves because no one knows what his power does. Finally, he doesn't think he can be useful D1 because he "doesn't know how" when I, on my second game, am at least trying.

I'd like to first draw attention to these two consecutive posts from him:


Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.

##Twerk marvellosity

Anyways. I have a power that I would like some people to help me charge up.

##15

Here's the gameplan. To charge up my power, someone, anyone, posts ##14, then someone else does ##13 and so on. When we get to ##1 the power is charged and ready to use :D. You can post multiple numbers in the countdown but not consecutive ones. So you can do 14 and 12, but not 14 and 13.

Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 07:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 28 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.

wtf is this reasoning?


KOSHI DIDN'T ANSWER WHAT UPDATE DOES.

marv at least left it ambiguously pleasant.


[UoN]Sentinel's reasoning here is fine regarding Koshi and marvellosity, except he himself has yet to give any assurances his power is useful or good.

What followed was the reckless explosion of hashtags that set me off at the start of the thread. In the earliest part of the game where scum/town reads are about as accurate as a drunk man playing "Probably Archery", [UoN]Sentinel's power got charged thoughtlessly. This event has kept him, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet on my radar, because I view it as criminally careless at best.

Thereafter [UoN]Sentinel dithered on actually telling anyone what his power allegedly would do:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 28 2013 07:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I wonder if the hosts got my message. Don't want to give away my power if the countdown duds because something was wrong with the sequencing. Knowing the hosts, someone should be up and attending this game, but they might be asleep.

We'll see.

On October 28 2013 08:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
No idea if hosts are away/busy or something wasn't sent in properly. I'm hoping it's the first.

I don't think Pandain's doing anything serious, just pressuring for information. Otherwise it looks like a really shitty self-justifying case.

On October 28 2013 23:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Phone posting from school, up to page 30

Here is what I can say right now

I've been pretty casual this whole game, down to making puns before game start. My absence is a combination of sleep and my phone freezing.

I already breadcrumbed everything I know about my power, but I still want to figure out where the hosts are before making a decision.


This is scummy play. Having said nothing about what his power does, he continues to leave everyone in the dark. We still don't know what it does even as I type this, despite many instances of mod presence in the thread. I won't iterate over every instance of his evasiveness, as I think the point has been made.

Moving on, I personally found this post rather odd:

Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 19:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:27 Promethelax wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:10 Promethelax wrote:
Marv, I want your thoughts on ooh. You used to believe in a change in passion between pregame and game to be indicative of something. Not any more?

Could well be, still. It's hard to tell because it's not just a change in passion, it's basically not playing at all. It's tempting to kill him out of spite alone. I think he's a great backup lynch.


Would you use your wonderful sway over people to endorse the but about powering me up? If they do that I'll switch my vote onto clarity. ##logic

Sent: if you had no idea about what your power did than why did you not work to do anything in the thread?


I've never done anything useful D1 because I never figured out how to be useful. My plan has always been to sit there, nod along, wait until D2 and then start making good reads.


This is my second game of TL mafia ever, and while I've been struggling I'd like to think that I've at least been useful at times. What I'm trying to do right now is correct a fairly serious error, rather than throwing my hands up in the air as if there's nothing to be done because it's D1. [UoN]Sentinel's position here works against the town, rather than for it.

Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 29 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.

##Twerk

Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.

Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.

Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.

I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that.


I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement.


There's also this post which caught my attention:

Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 29 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.

##Twerk

Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.

Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.

Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.

I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that.


I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement.


I don't find [UoN]Sentinel's defense here reasonable. Whether or not his power successfully activated is something of a sideshow to what his power is actually supposed to do. But he's hung up on the possibility the countdown was a "dud" and what that will mean when people were already second guessing because the end result of the glorious countdown wasn't a cool power but a dithering, sheepish poster.

I do not know how long Seuss worked on that Sentinel case. But let's be realistic it must be around 20 minutes?

So even though thinking WoS is scum before WoS claiming, thinking WoS is even more scum after claiming. Seuss makes a case on Sentinel 20-30 minutes after he CC and nailed WoS. Because that is how that CC felt.

And does it feel like Seuss believes that Sentinel is really really scum? I don't see it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 11:53 GMT
#2399
Above case is about pointing out that Seuss is not having strong feelings towards people being scum based on his own findings. How can he think Sentinel is a better lynch after all that has been said about WoS and then Seuss CCing WoS? And even if WoS is not lieing about his vote, (which is pretty duhhh), what will his experience proof? "oh look, WoS also has an extra +vote, he must be town now"
Seuss is implying that if WoS didn't lie about his role than WoS is town? Why wouldn't WoS be the scum vote alterer? It simply doesn't make sense how Seuss is thinking.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 11:56 GMT
#2400
It doesn't make sense about Koshi scum / Oats town.
It doesn't make sense around WoS

After the nukes Seuss said
"here goes my case against Sentinel"

As if all of us getting nukes changes the fact that Sentinel is scum. What did Seuss base his Sentinel case on? Only that nothing happened?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 11:58 GMT
#2402
I totes ninjad marv.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 31 2013 13:42 GMT
#2412
Do we think Nuke killed WoS?
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