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On October 22 2013 14:27 syllogism wrote:
Mocsta JAT isn't mafia. By the way, can you tell me more about your role? Can you still do something?
Hi Syllo,
I don't have a scum read currently on JAT. He is just someone I want to see more opinion from.
Scum have 1KP, so I suppose this is safe (pending any type of KP from Cephiro....)
I am the town equivalent of Pandain.
The irony being I am a SAM and bad guy in the series;
and he being a mafia and good guy in the series.
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On October 22 2013 14:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 14:28 Mocsta wrote:This has become super spammy. & Holyflare has really fallen to pieces since Day2 started. I guess pandain was right. On October 17 2013 15:46 Pandain wrote:
Holyflare is quite interesting, but he'll slip up eventually if he is scum. Really, what is wrong with my power speculation? I'm trying to find the person who threw out a secret vote to quite clearly get stutters lynched.
Based on what evidence.
You listed BH as a medic. There is no way to have knowledge of that currently; and to make a judgement call on 6 people because of that ASSUMPTION is ridiculous.
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So Holyflare;
I will admit I have not filter dived you yet, and the thread is so spammy over the past 5 pages I am not sure if this has been stated.
Your Day2 vote ended up on BH.
Why? - you were present
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If you had such a scum read on him; why is the medic claim taken at face value.
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On October 22 2013 14:42 Holyflare wrote:
What I want to know as I've seemingly missed it is: Why would the vote be between a guy that was mason confirmed and a guy that got replaced? Who started this? There were at least 3-4 people pushing for hufflepuff ONLY kills as a mafia was confirmed to be in there. How did this change? Why did cephiro let this shit happen or mattchew, they were quite clearly advocates of the hufflepuff lynches.
We await your findings to this.
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On October 22 2013 14:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 14:53 Mocsta wrote:On October 22 2013 14:42 Holyflare wrote:
What I want to know as I've seemingly missed it is: Why would the vote be between a guy that was mason confirmed and a guy that got replaced? Who started this? There were at least 3-4 people pushing for hufflepuff ONLY kills as a mafia was confirmed to be in there. How did this change? Why did cephiro let this shit happen or mattchew, they were quite clearly advocates of the hufflepuff lynches.
We await your findings to this. Will do; Also in regards to my play 'becoming worse', please read heavyweight championship, same thing.
I hope so, because by 1/2 Day1; you and LastArgument were my two best town reads.
I will be severely disappointed if you con me that hard.
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A quick examination of the votes
+ Show Spoiler [Stutter Lynch] +On October 22 2013 04:45 You-Know-Who wrote:VOTE COUNT DAY 2: Blazinghand (1) : StorrZerg, raynpelikonoshi, Mocsta, Grackaroni, Holyflare, syllogism, OneguMattchew (0) : Mocsta, Onegu, raynpelikonoshiCephiro (2) : Mocsta, Sn0_Man, StorrZerg, Hopeless1der, Stutters695Mocsta (0) : syllogism, Hopeless1der, BlazinghandGrackaroni (1) : VayneAuthority Holyflare (0) : Hopeless1der, syllogismHopeless1der (3) : Mattchew, Cephiro, Mattchew, StorrZerg Chairman Ray (7) : syllogism, Onegu, Sn0_Man, Grackaroni, Skanjab1s, justanothertownie, Stutters695 Stutters695 (3) : Sn0_Man, Blazinghand, raynpelikonoshi, ChairmanRay Not voting (0) : Currently Chairman Ray is set to be lynched. Deadline is in . Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in the Voting Thread. On October 22 2013 04:58 You-Know-Who wrote:VOTE COUNT DAY 2: Blazinghand (1) : StorrZerg, raynpelikonoshi, Mocsta, Grackaroni, Holyflare, syllogism, OneguMattchew (0) : Mocsta, Onegu, raynpelikonoshiCephiro (2) : Mocsta, Sn0_Man, StorrZerg, Hopeless1der, Stutters695Mocsta (0) : syllogism, Hopeless1der, BlazinghandGrackaroni (1) : VayneAuthority Holyflare (0) : Hopeless1der, syllogismHopeless1der (1) : Mattchew, Cephiro, Mattchew, StorrZergChairman Ray (6) : syllogism, Onegu, Sn0_Man, Grackaroni, Skanjab1s, justanothertownie, Stutters695 Stutters695 (7) : Sn0_Man, Blazinghand, raynpelikonoshi, ChairmanRay, StorrZerg, Cephiro, Sn0_Man, Secret Vote Not voting (0) : Stutters has been lynched.
I am concerned about are the "useless votes" i.e. solo votes on people not up for lynch
Holyflare (Blazinghand)
Mocsta (Cephiro)
Hopeless1der (Cephiro)
Vayne (Grackeroni)
Mattchew (Hopeless1der)
+ Show Spoiler [Palmar lynch] +On October 19 2013 05:10 You-Know-Who wrote:VOTE COUNT: End of Day 1: Palmar was lynched. Palmar (12) : Grackeroni, Pandain, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow, I-be-Pro, Cephiro (X), Syllogism, Cephiro, LastArgument, justanothertownie, Sn0_Man, StorrZerg, MocstaCephiro (2) : supersoft (X), raynpelikonoshi (X), LastArgument (X), I-be-Pro (X), Syllogism (X), LastArgument (X), EchelonTee, Sn0_Man (X), Mattchew, Stutters695 (X), Hopeless1der (X), Mocsta (X), Holyflare (X), justanothertownie (X)Sn0_Man (2) : StorrZerg (X), supersoft, Mattchew (X), Skanja1bsMattchew (2) : Pandain (X), Holyflare, Mocsta (X), Onegu, Cephiro (X)StorrZerg (2) : Mattchew (X), raynpelikonoshi, Stutters695VayneAuthority (1) : Yamato77, Hopeless1der (X), raynpelikonoshi (X), Pandain (X)raynpelikonoshi (1) : supersoft (X), BlazinghandStutters695 (1) : Sn0_Man (X), Hopeless1derBlazinghand (0) : Mocsta (X)Hopeless1der (0) : LastArgument (X)Onegu (0) : EchelonTee (X)Skanja1bs (0) : raynpelikonoshi (X)Yamato77 (0) : Skanja1bs (X) Not voting (1) : Palmar
Holyflare (Cephiro -> Mattchew)
Mocsta (Mattchew -> Cephiro -> BH -> Palmar)
Hopeless1der (Vayne -> Cephiro -> Stutters)
Vayne (Palmar)
Mattchew (Storrzerg -> Sn0_Man -> Cephiro)
In Summary:
[Holyflare] (Cephiro -> Mattchew) ; (Blazinghand)
[Mocsta] (Mattchew -> Cephiro -> BH -> Palmar) ; (Cephiro)
[Hopeless1der] (Vayne -> Cephiro -> Stutters) ; (Cephiro)
[Vayne] (Palmar) ; (Grackeroni)
[Mattchew] (Storrzerg -> Cephiro -> Stutters) ; (Hopeless1der)
vayne looks pretty bad for two immobile votes. Will need to assess reasoning.
(1) Palmar
On October 18 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote: Palmar
I trust pandain so far from our QT and I don't see the strong day 1 town play that everyone was talking about in thug life ( where he was scum)
This is not even close to the same but i could see it as kind of a defeatist "scum twice in a row ffs" sort of thing. awaiting some more of his posts. I can't have a go for trusting Pandain because I had a town read on Pandain; but this is a non-committal vote in its finest form.
(2) Cephiro
On October 18 2013 22:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
as stated earlier im waiting for his follow up posts with his slight scum reads to see where he is going with this. if he doesnt deliver before deadline lynch cephiro. I won't be around for deadline. Interesting; so how did Grackeroni get voted Day 2?
(3) End of night post
On October 20 2013 05:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
indeed, pandain started with his town meta and then was unable to keep it up. echelontee was obvious scum so good shot there, surprised about lonemeow since its impossible to tell people like that alignment as far as im aware.
should be plenty obvious im town now with the harry potter red flip. I could only know that main characters could be scum if I was scum. I think the rest of our house is town FYI
This is just odd.
If ET was obvious scum, why was there no discussion on him in Vaynes filter?
What is the point of this commentary about pandain/lonemeow.
This reads to me as someone that feels compelled to talk, but does not know what to say.
Yet, he is clearly aware of his limited filter, as he is quick to dismiss his main character post confirming him town. I will assume, that was the purpose of the post; and the above is fluff.
(Post in question)
On October 18 2013 02:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
I dont give a shit, they said that in golden sun too and the 4 main characters of the game were all blue roles but nobody knew the flavor thankfully. Im confirmed town as far as im concerned until a main character flips scum.
(4) Cephiro
On October 20 2013 05:34 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 05:33 syllogism wrote:On October 19 2013 04:35 Pandain wrote:
I'm back and still don't have much time. Someone explain why cep hiro is massive bandwagon now despite his posts from when I was here? I don't think Pandain would have posted this at the time when Cephiro had 11 votes if Cephiro is mafia, although people were starting to get second thoughts at the time. cephiro isn't mafia so either way we were going to mislynch. too bad palmar never posted again, i waited forever. Its not clear at all why Cephiro suddenly isn't mafia. Previously, Cephiro was his back-up plan???
(5) Pushing low-credit players
On October 20 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
i think we should lynch JAT actually based on the QT. he seems extremely mad, like some one that just lost 3 allies.
Palmar; Cephiro; JAT all had low town credit. Recurring theme now; no reasoning and cannon fodder.
(6) Interesting Post
On October 20 2013 07:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
good catch there hopeless, mafia first then a bunch of town in a list post is a verry common mafia thing since they think about their allies first. Mattchew is town. In response to Hopeless1der: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20019715 stating that Mattchew, Storr, Vayne are town.
Vaynes response: Mattchew is Town (Where is commentary on Storr/Vayne.....)
(7) Possible Lie
On October 20 2013 07:34 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 07:29 Mocsta wrote:On October 20 2013 05:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
indeed, pandain started with his town meta and then was unable to keep it up. echelontee was obvious scum so good shot there, surprised about lonemeow since its impossible to tell people like that alignment as far as im aware.
should be plenty obvious im town now with the harry potter red flip. I could only know that main characters could be scum if I was scum. I think the rest of our house is town FYI I haven't had a dedicated read of Vayne.. but this post sticks out to me. I can't put my finger on it, but, for a summary post, its got a scummy-vibe about it. seems pretty straightforward to me, i don't have much to add this game. may or may not be bitter that im role-less in an experimental game.
He has suggest heavily he is Hermime? Flavour suggested by all flips suggests that that role will have abilities. "Role-less" seems too convenient.
(8) Vayne is reading the game carefully
On October 20 2013 09:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
yamato died in the champions game so he's pretty out of excuses. this is why you dont need to lynch yamato earlier as I stated at the beginning. He grows bored of scum and just stops doing anything except being mad This was in response to a series of thoughts I wrote within a spoiler in an already big post.
For someone reading the game this carefully, I would expect him to be more involved with getting town into a good position.
(9) Reasoning for Grack
On October 20 2013 12:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
If I had to pick from that list I would want to lynch grack first since he will never reveal his alignment. learned from thug life that he is apt to troll as both alignments so that would be my first pick.
This is extremely weak; and ties into the concept of Palmar/Cephiro/Jat
(10) Opposite opinion to the whole thread
On October 20 2013 12:51 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 12:48 Grackaroni wrote:On October 20 2013 12:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
If I had to pick from that list I would want to lynch grack first since he will never reveal his alignment. learned from thug life that he is apt to troll as both alignments so that would be my first pick. The difference is I will actually start playing soon. You will not. <3 the real difference is there not a currently residing confirmed scum in my house...and I heavily agree with hopeless' analysis. Leaving you and holy. Holy looks better by far so there you have it. This reads exactly like his vote on Palmar. Because of analysis from Player "X" I am voting you !
Funny, that now he agrees Storr is town, whereas, there has been zero comment/interaction previously.
(11) The Kicker
On October 21 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
I dont understand the rage post involving grack considering I made it perfectly clear that I would lynch grack over you holyflare but you are the 2 most suspect to me. This post off a glance makes perfect sense. There is a cop check in Hufflepuff; find who the scum is...however, pretty much all the people I have town reads on where trying to find the other 2 scum as well. Ultimately, we didn't even lynch a person in Hufflepuff. Vayne on the other hand is more than happy with his actions slumping purely to cop check.
So yes, off a glance, Vaynes actions are what you would expect of town. But based on how the game actually progressed, his mentality is not congruent with where town was.
(12) Feigns responsibility again
On October 22 2013 00:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
yoyo so obviously grack isnt being lynched who should I vote for? preferably some input from some obviously town people. I read over the last 10 pages and couldn't understand what is going on Not really much more to say to this.
(13) Consistency
On October 22 2013 14:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
zero chance I ever save yamato's spot for stutters, as I said in our QT I think everyone is town except possibly JAT. For starters, I didn't even have internet during the lynch today. loL Somehow, is back to JAT. Zero reasoning of course.
Vayne is scum.
He has had some questionable interactions that in isolation I can waive via benefit of the dobut.
However, now that 2 day cycles has expired; the examination of his filter holistically clearly shows a mindset indicative of accepting zero responsibility/accountability; zero scum hunting; and zero congruency with town.
Vayne is scum, and should be the next lynch/vig target.
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On October 22 2013 15:14 Grackaroni wrote:VayneAuthority was just temp banned for 2 days by zatic. That account was created on 2012-10-18 05:37:07 and had 3432 posts. Reason: Take your flamewar elsewhere. LOL. Better get that replacement hunt going 
DAMN IT.
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On October 22 2013 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:i didn't read your case cause vayne is probably getting modkilled
How convenient....
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Lol.. clearly I went to that effort way before the modkill was released
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That's gaming the host Grack. Don't do it
Either way, it's going to be revealed end of cycle.
Hopefully mattchew decides to come back
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On October 22 2013 16:04 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 16:03 Mocsta wrote:
Lol.. clearly I went to that effort way before the modkill was released yeah and don't you feel stupid for it now?
Fir making a case for a player in the game at the time.. no I don't
Gtfo
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and zaragon was scum too.
BH keeps toying with everyone, but he had enough understanding to RNG his doc claim on the right personlol.
so in the words of vayne
expelliarmus blazinghand
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On October 22 2013 18:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Hufflepuff are so scummy.
Grack looks really bad if VA flips town. VA has been on Grack ass since end D1.
Mattchew looks so scummy to me. Insane.
Hopeless looks a bit scummy to me. But he has that potion thingie.
Storrzerg looks scummy to me. But he has Housechecks that need to add up.
Holyflare looks town to me.
This makes sense.
I always wondsered why pandain didn't want to try for pick up line but suggested Grack to.
My guess was.
Pandain was sole scum in his houseand Grack had highest scum count
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On October 22 2013 23:14 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Do we like the idea that when Vayne flips scum it was because Hosts didn't want to replace 4 scummers this game?
Nope.
Don't game the host.
That was proven in Noir with Kitamin.
If people are scum, its because of how they played; not because they replaced.
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On October 22 2013 23:26 Grackaroni wrote:
BH as doc makes sense and its risky for mafia because he has to explain why he is alive and why prominent townies are dying off.
Or.... mafia realise its essentially game over, and now just trying to fuck with town as much as they can for some form of dignity.
How is that any more far fetched than what you were assuming with Skanjab prior?
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On October 22 2013 23:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Read up to this point.
I dislike skanjab but I liked mocsta's reasoning for him being town. I'm interested in the vayne flip. I stand by the stutters swap being better than the CR lynch regardless of outcome, although the secret vote DOES look ugly. Currently I'm attributing it to cephiro but who knows.
Don't THINK BH is scum atm but his window of opportunity for being more obviously town is slipping fast.
yeah looked at lastargument filter + supersoft
supersoft was most likely a respect kill
lastargument was on lonemeow, mattchew + holyflare
aside from storr thinking mattchew is town, there does not seem to be too much going for him?
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On October 23 2013 00:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 00:02 Mocsta wrote:On October 22 2013 23:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Read up to this point.
I dislike skanjab but I liked mocsta's reasoning for him being town. I'm interested in the vayne flip. I stand by the stutters swap being better than the CR lynch regardless of outcome, although the secret vote DOES look ugly. Currently I'm attributing it to cephiro but who knows.
Don't THINK BH is scum atm but his window of opportunity for being more obviously town is slipping fast. yeah looked at lastargument filter + supersoft supersoft was most likely a respect kill lastargument was on lonemeow, mattchew + holyflare aside from storr thinking mattchew is town, there does not seem to be too much going for him? What..? Marv said he was leaning town on mattchew, he liked my content and he hated skanjabs reply after night/lonemeow and et. You even reading?
Really?
p5, last words spoken on Holyflare:
On October 19 2013 19:08 LastArgument wrote:
Holyflare, you are significantly less active than the towngames of yours that I have looked at, what gives?
Last words spoken on Mattchew:
On October 20 2013 03:28 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 03:18 Mattchew wrote:On October 20 2013 03:13 yamato77 wrote:On October 18 2013 20:06 Mattchew wrote:On October 18 2013 19:02 supersoft wrote:On October 18 2013 18:54 Mattchew wrote:On October 18 2013 18:36 LastArgument wrote:On October 18 2013 13:30 Mattchew wrote:On October 18 2013 13:25 Holyflare wrote:
Mattchew, you say stutters is a townread for you? He's posted almost nothing. What makes you say towny? he stood up for palmar when he was an easy target with what i think is decent reasoning This is not a great post. The reasoning was meh, because either mafia or town Palmar could make exactly the same posts as Palmar made. Irrationally defending someone who doesn't deserve to be defended isn't a towntell. He was trying to tell the thread something he believes he knows, trying to enhance someones read on him which i think is pretty fucking towny what do you think about sn0_man
In an attempt to answer your question i think i found my first scum read, storrzerg. I'm phone posting so this case will not be well formated nor long winded Storr has focused on sn0 since his very first post which was more of a joke then anything Storr has be consistently seeking approval of our qt before posting here, this is probably to make sure that other townies agree with him Palmar very early said he liked storr's idea to kill sn0, this is what really set off the influx of storr's push on sn0 Storr's case on sn0 is bad, like forced bad. It only brings up one game related post, which is a setup post by sn0 that concludes scum may want to have a hand in who wins the challenges. This is a reasonable point Storr has continued to push this case on sn0 despite its holes and seems to ignore a lot of other happenings in the thread... I think this is to look like a tunnelling townie Storr has said in this thread and multiple times in the qt that hufflepuff produce the least dark wizards Storr is scum ##vote storrzerg Catching up, but I wanted to note this post. Matt, this is sketchy as fuck. No reason to think Storr is mafia IMO, and for this to basically be your only scum read of the game... I am disappoint. yes.. my read on marv and you was really good day 1/2 last game too.. i start slow because I process of elimination scum hunt right now i dont believe storr is scum... hes too willing to share his entire thought process i dont have any direct scum read right now... just people im ok with dying I'm curious whether this post constitutes you playing better than Noir, which was your stated goal earlier in this game? It feels quite apathetic. In Noir one of your early mafia-reads was correct (Stutters), was it not? You seem a bit less emotionally invested this game. I do have a couple of reasons to think you may be town, but I'm not very confident in them.
If you are looking for a hard scum read, then, no, that is not there. Being Day1 play, what more do you expect?
These suspicions have not abated throughout the Day2, and thus, are still relevant.
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On October 23 2013 00:10 Holyflare wrote:
Ebwop: After night. He also disliked et and lonemeow
They are out of the game; not worth discussing.
I shall admit though, this inclusion strengthens his reads though and hence, my point (as those 2 were correct)
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