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Regarding Skanjab and the last-second vote-swap.
On one hand,
On October 22 2013 05:47 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 05:45 Mattchew wrote:
Mafia probably used the secret vote whether or not cr is scum... Either they delay his death or get a vig/lynch on a townie from the confusion and sketchiness The closeness of the lynch points more to CRay scum. It is pointless as scum to try last minute switch the lynch off of one townie and onto another. This is his last contribution before the lynch; and suggests no premeditation towards Stutters.
On the other hand, scum KP at 3 members is already 1KP for this cycle. Its a very risky move to hammer a townie (regardless of secret vote) for the benefit of 1 town lynch. I don't think the risk is worth the reward.
As scum, I have hammered a townie last-second before, but made sure I had a story backed up over the past 3-4hrs to why. i.e. the concept was premeditated and I could back it up.
Skanjab doesn't have this.
As we know with claims: typically the awkwardly revealed claims are usually from town, and the big spiels that are perfectly crafted are usually fake-claims.
Lastly, I have had a townread on Skanjab since his Yamato case, Day1. This has nothing to do with that he made a case on Yamato. It had to do with his approach.
I asked him int he QT his thoughts on Yamato. He made a semi-case of points that suggested a scum mindset. I said I agreed. When Skanjab decided to unveil his case in the thread; he actually fleshed it out significantly more than the QT. That effort is something I *FIRMLY* associate with town.
i.e. he had the confidence that his read was right due to QT talk, and then put more effort into the case. I find it hard-pressed to believe scum would have a mindset capable to do this.
Skanjab is town.
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On October 22 2013 09:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Two things that made me think yamato is town:
(1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum.
(2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum).
(3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are.
-rayn
(1)Clearly, Yamato attacked Koshi via clear discredit attempt.
(2) So at least you can admit he was not overly trying to look townie.
Where is this town credit coming from then?
Did he really try to progress the game? His attitude between Champions game/this one are MILES apart.
His attitude between Noir/this game are MILES apart.
Do you disagree?
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On October 22 2013 09:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 09:56 Mocsta wrote:Regarding Skanjab and the last-second vote-swap. On one hand, On October 22 2013 05:47 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 05:45 Mattchew wrote:
Mafia probably used the secret vote whether or not cr is scum... Either they delay his death or get a vig/lynch on a townie from the confusion and sketchiness The closeness of the lynch points more to CRay scum. It is pointless as scum to try last minute switch the lynch off of one townie and onto another. This is his last contribution before the lynch; and suggests no premeditation towards Stutters. On the other hand, scum KP at 3 members is already 1KP for this cycle. Its a very risky move to hammer a townie (regardless of secret vote) for the benefit of 1 town lynch. I don't think the risk is worth the reward. As scum, I have hammered a townie last-second before, but made sure I had a story backed up over the past 3-4hrs to why. i.e. the concept was premeditated and I could back it up. Skanjab doesn't have this. As we know with claims: typically the awkwardly revealed claims are usually from town, and the big spiels that are perfectly crafted are usually fake-claims. Lastly, I have had a townread on Skanjab since his Yamato case, Day1. This has nothing to do with that he made a case on Yamato. It had to do with his approach. I asked him int he QT his thoughts on Yamato. He made a semi-case of points that suggested a scum mindset. I said I agreed. When Skanjab decided to unveil his case in the thread; he actually fleshed it out significantly more than the QT. That effort is something I *FIRMLY* associate with town. i.e. he had the confidence that his read was right due to QT talk, and then put more effort into the case. I find it hard-pressed to believe scum would have a mindset capable to do this. Skanjab is town. Wait what? Assuming you are town and Skan is scum; If i was in Skan's position and someone told me my case on a townie had merit i would totally expand it and post it in thread. Did Skan push the lynch on D1? Did he push it on D2? -rayn
U get your point but the same can be asked why I did not vote with the case if I agreed.
I had my reasons.
But ok, maybe you would expand. I just know I wouldn't. If the case was already convincing, why try harder?
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On October 22 2013 10:00 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:On October 22 2013 09:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Two things that made me think yamato is town:
(1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum.
(2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum).
(3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are.
-rayn (1)Clearly, Yamato attacked Koshi via clear discredit attempt. (2) So at least you can admit he was not overly trying to look townie. Where is this town credit coming from then? Did he really try to progress the game? His attitude between Champions game/this one are MILES apart. His attitude between Noir/this game are MILES apart. Do you disagree? Probably because the Champions game. duh.. Do i look like i put the same effort into this game i put into the Champions game? Is that alignment indicative? -rayn this doesn't answer my query.
Look. Maybe yam is town. But if he is, you are not doing a good job of abating my read
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What is your current read in vayne?
And onegu was town cos et went after him, right?
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Will be funny if the one scum in hp is actually storr.
Though I will say holyflare was underwhelming the second half of day2.
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On October 22 2013 10:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Btw Mocsta, to your second point. Koshi's post on Skanjab1s was really bad. I understand that if it was made by me yamato would insta-lynch me. That's only fair and imo pointed towards him being town.
-rayn
Yeah but me and a couple others also wanted confirmation to whether koshi made that case.
The difference with yam is that he followed through with a discredit. Why would town need to say that? How does it help promote a positive sentiment? Further he doesn't even state why it's scummy enough to warrant a discrrdit.
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On October 22 2013 10:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 10:16 Mocsta wrote:On October 22 2013 10:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Btw Mocsta, to your second point. Koshi's post on Skanjab1s was really bad. I understand that if it was made by me yamato would insta-lynch me. That's only fair and imo pointed towards him being town.
-rayn Yeah but me and a couple others also wanted confirmation to whether koshi made that case. The difference with yam is that he followed through with a discredit. Why would town need to say that? How does it help promote a positive sentiment? Further he doesn't even state why it's scummy enough to warrant a discrrdit. That's what yamato does.:p To me that looks more townie than scummy. -rayn
Maybe. I know he likes to call people bad all the time. Perhaps this fits in this category.
Process of elimination is then tending towards
Vayne
Jat
Maybe holyflare
I'm finding this game quite difficult. Lots of people come in at the last couple.hours and Ggrrrr.
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Wagons d1 were palmar, cephiro, Sno
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On October 22 2013 10:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 10:15 Mocsta wrote:
Will be funny if the one scum in hp is actually storr.
Though I will say holyflare was underwhelming the second half of day2. I wasn't even here..............................
Did u not post u were in a lecture and was phone posting.
That stuff was all underwhelming regardless of circumstance
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Ur tone now is similar to et when I chastised him
Talk about over reaction
Not looking good for you holyflare
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If I am in a poor spot time wise. I make the decision to contribute because I choose too.
This is indicative of you 8hrs ago.
Hence, the circumstances have no bearing on why you were underwhelming. You choose to post.
And the content was lacking at a pivotal time.
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On October 22 2013 11:27 Holyflare wrote:
By the way, who are the people cephiro has a coin on?
Me and 2 others.
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Skanjab
Did u find grackwron case to be a genuine effort?
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I just reread slytherin qt.
After lastargument died. Skanjab instantly wondered if anyone thought stutters could be scum even though he was masoned to marv.
Bh instantly replies. Role != allignment
Point is. Did skanjab do anything to flesh out this read?
I'm on phone so it's hard to check filter.
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What does crab have to do with anything.
That's toad et.
This is bullshit now. U immediately suspected stutters of being scum regardless of being masoned with lastargument. And now self admit to doing nothing to develop this read. Then u end up voting him....
Ok. Sno agreed that stutters isn't instant town, but he's done more in the thread to develop his read than u.
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On October 22 2013 14:13 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 14:11 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 14:09 Blazinghand wrote:On October 22 2013 14:07 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 14:05 Blazinghand wrote:On October 22 2013 14:02 Skanjab1s wrote:
I knew how long it was until deadline, I was just busy reading the thread. I don't skip ahead. yeah see i feel like 120 seconds before the deadline any person, ANY player would just like read the vote count if they were contemplating swapping votes. I really don't buy this story at all ? I never claimed to not read the vote count. They were periodically posted throughout the thread, I literally could not have missed them. What I'm saying is that your so-called "story" can't be true because anyone who really cared about the lynch would just click on the votecount thread and see the most recent votecount when they realized the deadline was approaching. Did you REALLY not realize the deadline was at hand? Is that the story you're going with? Okay, what the fuck are you even saying? (1) I knew what the votecount was (2) I never said I didn't know the votecount (3) I knew when the deadline was (4) I just said in the past post that I knew when the deadline was. (5) Can you please read the damn thread? (6) Thank you. You said you know when the deadline was, but you also posted a vote after the deadline. How does that compute? Clearly there is a lie. Either 1) you didn't know when the deadline was or 2) your vote was not cast in good faith which is it?
This is a very scummy bifurcation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
What perturbs me greater is that you are commenting on live matters; where are your scum reads based on the past 140 pages?
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On October 22 2013 14:17 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 14:16 Mocsta wrote:On October 22 2013 14:13 Blazinghand wrote:On October 22 2013 14:11 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 14:09 Blazinghand wrote:On October 22 2013 14:07 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 14:05 Blazinghand wrote:On October 22 2013 14:02 Skanjab1s wrote:
I knew how long it was until deadline, I was just busy reading the thread. I don't skip ahead. yeah see i feel like 120 seconds before the deadline any person, ANY player would just like read the vote count if they were contemplating swapping votes. I really don't buy this story at all ? I never claimed to not read the vote count. They were periodically posted throughout the thread, I literally could not have missed them. What I'm saying is that your so-called "story" can't be true because anyone who really cared about the lynch would just click on the votecount thread and see the most recent votecount when they realized the deadline was approaching. Did you REALLY not realize the deadline was at hand? Is that the story you're going with? Okay, what the fuck are you even saying? (1) I knew what the votecount was (2) I never said I didn't know the votecount (3) I knew when the deadline was (4) I just said in the past post that I knew when the deadline was. (5) Can you please read the damn thread? (6) Thank you. You said you know when the deadline was, but you also posted a vote after the deadline. How does that compute? Clearly there is a lie. Either 1) you didn't know when the deadline was or 2) your vote was not cast in good faith which is it? This is a very scummy bifurcation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemmaWhat perturbs me greater is that you are commenting on live matters; where are your scum reads based on the past 140 pages? boy if only I posted some big awesome analysis on yamato's filter with meta and stuff BOY IF ONLY I DID THAT I GUESS I DIDNT SO YEAH YOUR POINT MAKES PERFECT SENSE 1 out of 3 scummers, right? Lol
So the theory you are proposing is that:
(1) Skanjab has the power to secret vote and in the process of trying to PM the hosts in teh last minute, performed his vote swap too late?
Cos this is stupid. .. its not like the hosts update the vote counts every 2min.. and even so, the secret vote popped up in the vote count 5 MINUTES BEFORE DEADLINE
(2) Skanjab and Yamato are of the same alignment....
From your "awesome meta read on yamato" do you think yamato treated Skanjab like they are the same alignment?
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On October 22 2013 14:14 Chairman Ray wrote:
Yo, I'm back, gonna be on for a bit. I've caught up with the last few pages about the Skan discussion.
I don't think this discussion regarding Skan and myself being mafia team is quite productive IMO, but that's because I know that I'm town. Given the circumstances, I think it's obvious that I'm gonna flip in the morning from vig. My flip would be the most advantageous for town given that I'm gonna be a semi-lurker, and also it gives good information regarding Skan. Since I'm town, what Skan did was just move his vote from one town to another, drawing suspicion. I don't think this is a mafia thing to do really. Personally if I was mafia, I would not vote switch on two town last minute, unless the winning votes was low like 3-3. With low vote numbers, it may be advantageous for mafia to not be responsible for a mislynch. This is not the case since there were plenty of voters on both stutters and myself.
Bingo.
and BH just gave himself away forgetting this.
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This has become super spammy.
& Holyflare has really fallen to pieces since Day2 started.
I guess pandain was right.
On October 17 2013 15:46 Pandain wrote:
Holyflare is quite interesting, but he'll slip up eventually if he is scum.
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