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I'm going to establish a timeline. Start from this post: link At this point the vote count is: + Show Spoiler [Slightly edited votecount from BH] + On October 04 2013 08:49 Blazinghand wrote: we are going to no lynch unless we consolidate rayn 2 - risen, slosh 3 - dirk oats holy risen 3 - sloosh, clair, marv bh 1 - rayn Marv 1 - BH BH votes Rayn 1 min after (same time)Risen come in to the thread and see 3 votes on him and sloosh. Votes sloosh to save himself (would do as any alignment) Risen votes Rayn because he sees BH vote on Rayn and a possibilty to lynch his scumread. HF votes Rayn 1 min after(again same time if on phone) Risen votes for Sloosh again with reason: "No that's only two including me not enough" Risen votes Rayn again after seeing HF's vote. Rayn votes sloosh Vote count: + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2013 08:53 Blazinghand wrote: we are going to no lynch unless we consolidate rayn 3 - BH, risen, holy slosh 3 - dirk oats, rayn risen 3 - sloosh, clair, marv Clarity votes sloosh in order to consolidate. HF pushing rayn lynch "Confirmed town is on a rayn lynch, people should follow confirmed town." (stupid argument, but he pushes Rayn lynch and its stupid as either town or scum.) Sloosh votes rayn (to save himself) It's now 4-4 between Rayn and sloosh. Clarity posts: "4-4 marv you here?" Clarity votes Rayn. Rayn is lynched. Marv appears. Hf is consistent. He votes Rayn. Sticks to rayn. Pushes the rayn lynch. Not scum Risen is to consistent but his thought fits a townperson. Starts by voting sloosh (the other wagon at the time) to save himself. Would do as either alignment. See Rayn being pushed - votes Rayn. Now why do this if they are scumbuddies? He was already on town sloosh. He sees the rayn wagon is a Tandembike and votes sloosh again to consolidate. In the mean time HF is voting rayn. Risen is "Hey rayn can get killed" and votes him. The timeline fits. I can't see why he would vote back and forth as scum when he had a good reason just to vote sloosh and be done with it. Not scum Now there are 2 small things damning about Clarity. First, he votes sloosh instead of Rayn when consolidating. Not really that damning considering he was was voting Sloosh before Risen and at the time Rayn/sloosh was 3-3. Second thing was him asking after marv. Him not wanting to take responsibility for the lynch maybe? Wanting Marv to be the hammer? At this point, clarity could have stayed on sloosh hoping someone would hop from rayn to sloosh, but he didn't. He made the jump causing scum rayn to get lynched. All in all I'm fairly sure he is not scum. Only way either of these 3 are scum if it was a carefully orchestrated bus. With the hectic wagon forming and lateness of it all it just seem unlikely. Risen had the best buildup to a rayn bus with his big case, but he also had the best reasons to just vote sloosh and say it was to save himself. If rayn had flipped he would still have gotten some cred for make the case. Where was marv? No where! Marv had been super active for 2-3 hours leading up to the lynch. Just when Rayn appears marv votes Risen (with no reason what so ever, Sloosh was still in the lead and marvs biggest scumread. His Risen vote was a sheep of Sloosh (his scum read) and clarity) and marv disappear. I'm guessing to communicate and shouting at someone for being an idiot with the way they are posting as scum *hint hint*. I wasn't at the lynch. I was sleeping. But from the people left alive now only Marv and me comes out looking bad from the lynch. Me for not being there at all. Marv for choosing not to be there and his actions leading up to the end of D1. ##Vote Marv | ||
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Dirkzor
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Look marv. I've had a town read on you most of the game. After D1 lynch it came down to sloosh, oats and you (in that order for most of the time). With those 2 as town there is you left. Explain to me how Risen, HF or clarity play out the D1 lynch as scum I'm willing to listen. But you look really bad for that. | ||
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Half the time you spend screaming "I'm not scum, you are stupid" I dont know man... | ||
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On October 08 2013 18:20 marvellosity wrote: thing is, I don't see how you possibly expected to win the 1v1 with me today... it makes no sense. Thats what I mean.. No reason for me to NK oats. That leaves me fighting for your lynch (which is uphill form teh get go). | ||
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On October 08 2013 18:22 marvellosity wrote: Dirk, do me a favour and do a little thought exercise. I'm going to assume you're calling yourself town, and you have to assume I'm town. How do you think the NK changes the course of things? Example question: if you flipped town, does it make it more likely I'd get lynched d4 than in other nightkill scenarios last night? I can't see how an Oats NK is good for anyone... Whoever did it wants to lynch me. When I flip town they will probably go after Risen or Marv. Hence it could be all 4 of you. (im on the phone with soem tech support so my answers might be a little short and fast...) | ||
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On October 08 2013 18:26 marvellosity wrote: I've been Risen's clear "second" scumread behind Oats, and yet somehow the play makes enough sense coming from you that you are now his main scumread? Explain that to me Dirkzor. Do you think that the nightkill makes enough sense coming from you that Risen would override his scumread on me and vote for you? I'm not sure Risen had you pegged as his 2nd scumread. Have to look that up. I don't think the NK makes sense coming from anybody so I can't explain that to you. It makes just as little sense coming from me as it does coming from you or Risen. | ||
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On October 08 2013 18:24 marvellosity wrote: To the bold: because he has to, he made a case on him earlier in the day. He can't NOT vote for rayn. To the underline: he unvotes his "main scumread" to 'consolidate' on rayn. Does Risen seem like the consolidate-y sort to you? Answer me that seriously. Or does he just go after who he thinks is mafia? Go read his filter in Noir. He's like "fuck it, these guys are mafia and i don't give a fuck what any of you say" To the second bolded: Again, he can't NOT vote for rayn after the case he made earlier in the day. No he doesn't have to. He could have stated he was on the phone driving voting sloosh to save his ass and get out. You forget that his own ass was on the line when he first started voting. It makes more sense for him to act like did if he was town. He votes sloosh so he doesn't get lynched himself. See his scumread can be lynched, votes him. So no I don't follow you here Marv. | ||
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On October 08 2013 18:22 marvellosity wrote: Dirk, do me a favour and do a little thought exercise. I'm going to assume you're calling yourself town, and you have to assume I'm town. How do you think the NK changes the course of things? Example question: if you flipped town, does it make it more likely I'd get lynched d4 than in other nightkill scenarios last night? Btw that only works if you are town. When I flip town doesn't actually change peoples view of you, does it? If you are scum, which you are, lynching me or Risen is a good play. NK HF or clarity and lynch the other dude. Perfect. | ||
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As we already established D1, Clarity started the sloosh wagon with me. I ended it with a good, thought out case that made sense. You never did anything other then to hop along and vote. The more I think about it the more I see that you haven't really done anything this game, marv! You have 27 pages of filter and nothing really beyond pointing out stupid shit, asking questions and calling everyone insinuating you are scummy for stupid. I'm putting all eggs in one basket and saying you are scum. You even said you would roll over because of the sloosh lynch. I want you to do that. You are doing exactly what BH foretold you would. | ||
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On October 08 2013 19:16 marvellosity wrote: I don't have to convince you of shit, i'm just trying to talk about stuff with you. If you are town and you want to win you kinda need to. I'm town so you'll need my vote at some point. | ||
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I doesn't make sense that Risen want to lynch me over you because of the NK since it does not make sense coming from me, or anyone. | ||
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There are only one scum left. I think thats you. I came to that conclusion due to D1 lynch and I'm sticking to it. You either have to disprove me or prove that someone is more scummy then you. And your "Risen want Dirk more then Marv now" argument isn't enough, | ||
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On October 08 2013 20:03 Clarity_nl wrote: He said it after making two giant posts explaining things. Like I really don't care if it's cheap. It is cheap. And if you read my two post nothing they contain are really from anything after D1 lynch. | ||
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On October 08 2013 22:27 marvellosity wrote: like, say Dirk's plan is to go 1v1 with me today. he wins that and i flip. then what? We win. Or if I'm completely off and you flip town most likely I'm dead and town loose. Can't you see how insane it is for me to go 1v1 with you if I'm scum. | ||
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