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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 22:45 GMT
#2910
Oh nvm misread.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 22:48 GMT
#2913
I fought the rayn lynch hard because I thought it was a bad lynch. I've said this a bunch.

Besides, after your massive effort I did say wtf how can scum Risen do that. marv was the one telling me it was null cause scum risen is cray cray, he also reinforced my townread on holyflare so. Yeah, sheeping the corpse of marv ftw.

The strongest explanation of why you're scum is your willingness to lynch either of us, without caring which. Hopefully holy sees that.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 22:50 GMT
#2917
Like all this transparency stuff risen has been talking about... I don't see it. Big posts are not transparent, they're constructed.

I've made my thought process throughout the game quite clear. I was happy with the sloosh and dirk lynches but I still tried to get more information.

Risen saying I have not been transparent is just wrong.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 22:51 GMT
#2918
Case

On October 11 2013 19:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
If Risen is mafia he deserves to win for essaying the shit out of that post. When i look over the entire game he's made cases, has scum hunted and makes sense. Clarity you've only sheeped, sat back and done nothing aggressive but hint at others scumminess.


No he doesn't deserve the win, don't give it to him.
Here's the thing, the stuff Risen has done, no one but Risen would get away with.
He decides who is scum and then makes a case, he does so blatantly and although he keeps claiming he wants people to believe in his cases he has not backed them up or pushed them hard.

I could make a case on Risen but it would be futile because you already know all the stuff Risen has done and how it can be called scummy (and it is), so I'm just gonna give you a tl;dr version and hope you see it. Do not go idle and lose this game.

He made a bad case on me and did not follow up despite being arouind for an hour after my reply. Then when he eventually came back he asks for people's opinion on his case and he asks for my reply (which already exists). Neither of these happen, yet Risen seems unphased. He goes afk again and when he returns he makes a case on rayn instead in the exact same style that marv carefully explained would not convince anyone.

Here's the thing though. He still points out that I'm scum at this point, but rayn is scummier.
After rayn gets lynched, who does Risen try to push? Who is his next case on? It should be me, right?
When is the next time Risen calls me scum? I'll tell you.
Last night.

There were like 5 days between his original read on me and his follow up. Yet during that time he never seems to have dropped his scumread on me, he just kept finding other people scummier. Do you know why that is?

Inbetween the rayn lynch and now Risen has practically made a case on everyone, yet never stuck to them. How many lynches other than the rayn lynch did he seem confident the person was going to flip scum? None of them.
He kept making cases on people he knew he wouldn't get lynched. Then a bit later he would retract the cases and say something like "I guess I'm just crazy". That is a common theme by the way, you should just skim his filter and see how often he talks about himself being crazy, or probably being wrong because no one goes with him or something in that style. This is because Risen knows people will not listen to him, but he does not want to associate with the lynching of townies.

I ask again, which lynch that happened was Risen actually behind (other than rayn) on the day of that lynch?

What happened to his marv read? Does he ever explain why he want from "certain marv is scum" to "town"?

Look at how Risen is playing and notice that, yes, there is effort. But there is no aggression. He knew he wouldn't be listened to and he wanted it that way.

Risen is scum


As for your point on me... I dunno what to tell you. I sheep as town. Sometimes I have a strong day 1 with an early case (mario/titanic) but sometimes I don't (GoT) but I sheep as town nearly every game. Saying I was not aggressive does not mean much, I have been involved and trying to find scum all game, I have not really had to "push" scumreads because I had marv around to talk to instead whom I was confident was town.
Your meta read on me is wrong.

My short push on you yesterday was dumb and was because I was frustrated with you just going "clarity scum ggggg"

I actually refuse to reply to Risen's case. I've realized that it is a bunch of white noise. There is so much stuff in there it overloads your brain and stops you from actually thinking. I'm not sure how you can say that it makes sense, when he basically summarizes my filter and calls things scummy without explaining why they're scummy but it's basically impossible to respond to.

I'm around to talk. Do not just sit on your vote and do nothing.

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 22:55 GMT
#2920
Also I don't mean to take cheap shots (I totally mean to take cheap shots) but....

On October 13 2013 04:35 Risen wrote:
Gg clarity. No reason for scum HF to do this but then oats kill so meh. On phone until past deadline.


?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:00 GMT
#2922
Holy stop defending yourself against risen, you're not being voted, he's just wasting time.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:01 GMT
#2924
Still have an hour, re-read Risen's voting this cycle.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:07 GMT
#2929
I didn't really post it to get you to respond to it. Just saying, I did make a case, since you said I didn't
And no, you didn't pressure anyone. The way you've made your cases make it so no one listens to you.
You know this, marv has even told you twice on day 1.

You are also calling everything and anything scummy.

Really though, you betrayed yourself clearly today, and since holy is rereading he'll figure it out. Your eagerness to get a lynch, any lynch, and win that beloved trophy.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:08 GMT
#2930
On October 13 2013 08:05 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 07:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also I don't mean to take cheap shots (I totally mean to take cheap shots) but....

On October 13 2013 04:35 Risen wrote:
Gg clarity. No reason for scum HF to do this but then oats kill so meh. On phone until past deadline.


?


I'm home now. Was on the phone with my grandma helping her get groceries and it usually takes longer. You want me to give an update on my position whenever I move around? "I don't mean to nitpick, but here I am nitpicking don't find it scummy tehe"


It usually takes two hours longer?

Whatever, it doesn't really mean anything I was just curious if you were typing like a maniac from your phone which would be amusing
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:11 GMT
#2936
On October 13 2013 08:09 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 08:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
I didn't really post it to get you to respond to it. Just saying, I did make a case, since you said I didn't
And no, you didn't pressure anyone. The way you've made your cases make it so no one listens to you.
You know this, marv has even told you twice on day 1.

You are also calling everything and anything scummy.

Really though, you betrayed yourself clearly today, and since holy is rereading he'll figure it out. Your eagerness to get a lynch, any lynch, and win that beloved trophy.

Nice. Totally refuted my response there buddy. Wait, you didn't, because you can't.

To the bolded
Isn't HF the one who initially pointed that out? Why are you trying to ride it?


I don't think it is? If he did though, he's right.

Feel free to find the first time where he said it and the first time I said it and do a side-by-side comparison, then write a novel about it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:20 GMT
#2942
You're scum, switching to holy is dumb because it'll make holy think I'm scum.
If it comes down to the last minutes and you're willing to switch to holy I will.

But swearing that I'm scum, then swearing that holy is scum, then swearing that I'm scum again shows that you don't care about who gets lynched. If you were town you would try to convince holyflare that I'm scum when he votes you.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:23 GMT
#2946
On October 13 2013 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 08:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
You're scum, switching to holy is dumb because it'll make holy think I'm scum.
If it comes down to the last minutes and you're willing to switch to holy I will.

But swearing that I'm scum, then swearing that holy is scum, then swearing that I'm scum again shows that you don't care about who gets lynched. If you were town you would try to convince holyflare that I'm scum when he votes you.



This can also mean he has no idea and will lynch the person doing scummy shit, this is what I was looking for with my trolling.


But he clearly portrayed himself as certain of me being scum, yes? When did he ever say you are scum? Other than his notes, which basically also "proved" marv was scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:23 GMT
#2949
On October 13 2013 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 08:22 Risen wrote:
Like how do you go from wiffle waffle HF/Risen scum last night, to only having a case that's a TL;DR on me while still managing to be horribly misrepresentative? Because I scum hunted? Because I actually went and made a case? That's what creams scum to you?I refuse to think you went through HF's filter and found nothing scummy about it that you would be forced to misrepresent me like you have.


He's now willing to vote me if you do...


Not really, no. Only with a minute left if you won't move. Because a 1% chance > 0% chance
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:24 GMT
#2950
On October 13 2013 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
Case closed


For god sake.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:24 GMT
#2952
On October 13 2013 08:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
You're scum, switching to holy is dumb because it'll make holy think I'm scum.
If it comes down to the last minutes and you're willing to switch to holy I will.

But swearing that I'm scum, then swearing that holy is scum, then swearing that I'm scum again shows that you don't care about who gets lynched. If you were town you would try to convince holyflare that I'm scum when he votes you.


Reading comprehension, please.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:27 GMT
#2955
On October 13 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm kidding, but I'm the only one asking questions about the game here to reach more conclusions. Nobody else is. Risen isn't because he's sure you are scum. I am because i don't know, clarity just isn't he's just pointing out things about now, not questioning earlier decisions


As I said early today. Risen gets away with a lot of stuff as scum. I could go back and point it all out, but it wouldn't make HIM scum, because he's crazy.

Plus his lylo play has been most telling anyway, and should convince you
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:30 GMT
#2958
On October 13 2013 08:29 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 13 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm kidding, but I'm the only one asking questions about the game here to reach more conclusions. Nobody else is. Risen isn't because he's sure you are scum. I am because i don't know, clarity just isn't he's just pointing out things about now, not questioning earlier decisions


As I said early today. Risen gets away with a lot of stuff as scum. I could go back and point it all out, but it wouldn't make HIM scum, because he's crazy.

Plus his lylo play has been most telling anyway, and should convince you

A town Clarity thinks my LYLO play today is worse than HF's, I don't buy it.


That's because you've said all game that trolling equals scummy, when you are simply wrong.

Besides, as holy has pointed out he was fishing for reactions.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:32 GMT
#2960
On October 13 2013 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 13 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm kidding, but I'm the only one asking questions about the game here to reach more conclusions. Nobody else is. Risen isn't because he's sure you are scum. I am because i don't know, clarity just isn't he's just pointing out things about now, not questioning earlier decisions


As I said early today. Risen gets away with a lot of stuff as scum. I could go back and point it all out, but it wouldn't make HIM scum, because he's crazy.

Plus his lylo play has been most telling anyway, and should convince you


You should be pointing out things in case i miss them


Really, the vote swap today is all you need to see. Risen calling himself crazy a bunch during the game should also be very telling about how much he didnt want people to listen to him.

Never backing up his cases, or interacting with people that discuss his cases, is also telling.

I really dunno what else to tell you. He's scum, you're either gonna see it or you're not.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:36 GMT
#2962
Yes, it's anti-town. But that doesn't make it scummy. Sorry.

Why are you still arguing that holy is playing bad/scummily when you think I'm scum??
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 12 2013 23:39 GMT
#2966
On October 13 2013 08:37 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 08:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, it's anti-town. But that doesn't make it scummy. Sorry.

Why are you still arguing that holy is playing bad/scummily when you think I'm scum??

Because if he does end up being scum he needs to know that this wasn't his win it was your loss, and you need to understand how bad you are.


He's not scum, you are. I'm not sorry about that one, though.
The fact that you are still trying to convince me holy is scum while having your vote on me is ridiculous.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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