On October 11 2013 19:29 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
If Risen is mafia he deserves to win for essaying the shit out of that post. When i look over the entire game he's made cases, has scum hunted and makes sense. Clarity you've only sheeped, sat back and done nothing aggressive but hint at others scumminess.
No he doesn't deserve the win, don't give it to him.
Here's the thing, the stuff Risen has done, no one but Risen would get away with.
He decides who is scum and then makes a case, he does so blatantly and although he keeps claiming he wants people to believe in his cases he has not backed them up or pushed them hard.
I could make a case on Risen but it would be futile because you already know all the stuff Risen has done and how it can be called scummy (and it is), so I'm just gonna give you a tl;dr version and hope you see it. Do not go idle and lose this game.
He made a bad case on me and did not follow up despite being arouind for an hour after my reply. Then when he eventually came back he asks for people's opinion on his case and he asks for my reply (which already exists). Neither of these happen, yet Risen seems unphased. He goes afk again and when he returns he makes a case on rayn instead in the exact same style that marv carefully explained would not convince anyone.
Here's the thing though. He still points out that I'm scum at this point, but rayn is scummier.
After rayn gets lynched, who does Risen try to push? Who is his next case on? It should be me, right?
When is the next time Risen calls me scum? I'll tell you.
Last night.
There were like 5 days between his original read on me and his follow up. Yet during that time he never seems to have dropped his scumread on me, he just kept finding other people scummier. Do you know why that is?
Inbetween the rayn lynch and now Risen has practically made a case on everyone, yet never stuck to them. How many lynches other than the rayn lynch did he seem confident the person was going to flip scum? None of them.
He kept making cases on people he knew he wouldn't get lynched. Then a bit later he would retract the cases and say something like
"I guess I'm just crazy". That is a common theme by the way, you should just skim his filter and see how often he talks about himself being crazy, or probably being wrong because no one goes with him or something in that style. This is because Risen knows people will not listen to him, but he does not want to associate with the lynching of townies.
I ask again, which lynch that happened was Risen actually behind (other than rayn) on the day of that lynch?
What happened to his marv read? Does he ever explain why he want from "certain marv is scum" to "town"?
Look at how Risen is playing and notice that, yes, there is effort. But there is no aggression. He knew he wouldn't be listened to and he wanted it that way.
Risen is scum
As for your point on me... I dunno what to tell you. I sheep as town. Sometimes I have a strong day 1 with an early case (mario/titanic) but sometimes I don't (GoT) but I sheep as town nearly every game. Saying I was not aggressive does not mean much, I have been involved and trying to find scum all game, I have not really had to "push" scumreads because I had marv around to talk to instead whom I was confident was town.
Your meta read on me is wrong.
My short push on you yesterday was dumb and was because I was frustrated with you just going "clarity scum ggggg"
I actually refuse to reply to Risen's case. I've realized that it is a bunch of white noise. There is so much stuff in there it overloads your brain and stops you from actually thinking. I'm not sure how you can say that it makes sense, when he basically summarizes my filter and calls things scummy without explaining why they're scummy but it's basically impossible to respond to.
I'm around to talk. Do not just sit on your vote and do nothing.
EPT
