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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 10 2013 12:29 GMT
#2681
On October 10 2013 21:28 Holyflare wrote:
Dude what, reading titanic, his town play is WAY WAY different to this


explain it to me like i'm a babe
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 12:32 GMT
#2682
He's gonna talk about the giant case I made day 1 on FT.
Didn't do that in GoT and got called out for it by FT.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 10 2013 12:53 GMT
#2683
Well I'll quote some posts for you:

His posts as mafia in apeture follow the sentiment of: follow around some things and lightly poke and prod. His longer posts are all quoting etc why people are pointing out wrong things (from a day 1 perspective at the moment) ie:



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On August 30 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On August 30 2013 19:23 Hassybaby wrote:
On August 30 2013 19:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 30 2013 19:08 Hassybaby wrote:
Koshi, my other half may want that item because I don't trust him/her

That's how little I trust him/her. I don't know the gender


Why is blazinghand (your better half, apparently) a good target to receive an item that might be really powerful in the hands of scum?


I don't mean BH in the post. It was just well established that BH and I are the same person back in Aperture 1.

I mean my other half in game, in terms of roles.


Oh, okay. What has your other half done to earn your mistrust?

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On August 30 2013 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2013 19:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 30 2013 19:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2013 18:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Koshi is totes town, cephiro is... totes town, and geript is weird but probably town.

Okay, good that we are on the same page. :D
Want to lynch vayne?


I'm not sure I'm comfortable being on the same page as you.

I dunno. I really don't like that he calls cephiro a good shot, but not scum. Like I get the sentiment of shooting lurkers but cephiro is no lurker.
That said, as koshi puts it, vayne shows to care about this game, which probably means he's a bad lynch today.
Wanna lynch WoS instead?

When vayne cares about the game from the beginning it's alarming.
I never want to lynch WoS anymore, ever. No, but for real, why WoS?


Lol. Erm, yeah maybe it's alarming but if he's scum he'll have a hard time seeming to care throughout the game, right? and if he's town then we could use a vayne who cares, he's a decent scumhunter.

Mainly this post gave me bad feelings about WoS
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On August 30 2013 15:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
How about how the fuck we're ever going to win this game with 12 people posting out of 30.
I'm so goddamn sick of lurk.
Geript if I could give you a gun and you'd fire 3 bullets into the air and they'd fall and land on some fucking useless chaff then I would.


And this with the same sentiment
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On August 30 2013 16:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm going to bed. I really hope activity in general picks up tomorrow; this game is boring so far.


Just seems a bit useless to complain about activity so early in the game when all the euros are asleep.
He's not actually forcing lurkers out of hiding or anything, since it's so early that would be dumb, so what purpose do these posts serve?

I'd also like to say that the first post implies he thinks geript has been useful so far which is a weird thing to say.
It's nothing strong, but I'm leaning scum on him which is more than I can say for anyone else this game.



and


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On August 31 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On August 31 2013 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 31 2013 01:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 31 2013 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 31 2013 01:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 31 2013 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And yeah, that actually was important as some people (Clarity, Stutters) seem to have not noticed that. They are either not paying attention or they are scum.


What?

On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not see any point in bringing up a speculation of multiple scumteams, especially from kita, as the game OP clearly states there are multiple scumteams.


No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them

@Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources

I dunno. How did you not figure that out as they are clearly are a faction as stated in OP?


They're a faction, that doesn't make them a scumteam?
When I think scumteam I think a group of people who have nightly kp and win when everyone else is dead. We certainly don't know if either of those are true.
They COULD be a scumteam, they could not.

Scumteam, anti-town team, whatever.. but fair enough. Anyways i think we can agree that they are a team with more than one member that has a victory condition that probably will not help town win the game?


Yeah I can agree on that.

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On August 31 2013 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think geript is scum. I thought he was scum based on how he entered the game, as I said, and I've thought that everything he's said since has been an anti-town influence on the game. If anyone disagrees with me, I'd love to discuss the matter.


Sure. Do you think scum enters the thread in a way that immediately draws everyone's attention to them?



etc etc, it happens a lot. He is on the defensive, even whilst posting questioning statements that should be aggressive.

Anyway, he answers posts with more questions towards people and pointing out the errors in peoples ways compared to his town play below.



As town, in titanic you have things like:

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On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On July 27 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote:
After reading Tofu's filter I am going to have to decline at this point. He actually looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread (or at least my read on him has changed after some rereads of his posts). To me it actually looks like Tofu is trying to open the game up for scum-hunters.

I realize that your post is not serious, Clarity, however I would appreciate it if you could tell us if you actually have a reason for a wagon on Tofu.


I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain?
Anyway, disagree completely with your conclusion which you reached a full 7 minutes after I asked (excluding when you actually read my post and made your own)
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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On July 27 2013 09:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, I dunno what you guys are doing fluffing up the thread with fluff and general bullshit but It's be great if we could discuss the game now.


FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy!
Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point.

Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy:
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On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote:
Okay, I'm back on a computer.
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On July 27 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote:
Hi guys, I propose that we lynch the lurkiest guy D1.Obviously if someone looks really scummy then we lynch him first, but if that's not the case then we lynch the guy with the least posts. I think scum really likes to post as few as possible.

I know that's gonna look kinda scummy, but I'm going to bed now. Gn!

This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another.

On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote:
To all of you that are out there...

Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not?

On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote:
Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if
1) Half the town is lurking
or
2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches.


Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing.

Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum:

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On July 27 2013 11:37 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 27 2013 11:35 exarezee wrote:
@FirmTofu

I'd rather wait until more posts are made. I think only 6 or 7 of the players in the game have posted so far.

If you're going to wait, then I'm going to have to vote you until you do.
##Vote: exarezee
You can't simply say you have scumreads and not explain them.


"I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!"

This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met.
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On July 27 2013 13:31 FirmTofu wrote:
##Unvote
I'm not sure that the case on paperscraps has much substance to it, but at least it's something.


Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself.

But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts:

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On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.

Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.

Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.


Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded.
He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why?

Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads.

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On July 27 2013 13:41 FirmTofu wrote:
I want to hear more from stutters and the people who haven't posted yet. For all we know, the entire mafia team could be in that group of people.


This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum.

FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now.



actual scum hunting, trying to prove things (this is a very early post in titanic by the way) and then he does similar things to mafia quoting posts etc except they just seem so much more... constructive as town:

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 29 2013 00:54 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 00:49 Vivax wrote:
On July 29 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
Anyone wanna kill stutters?


Yeah, i'd join that boat as well. He is capable of much more d1 when he's town, and having seen him play scum lately, i'm kinda confident i can read him. I would actually enjoy if he posted some more to give us the chane to read him better though, elsewise it's indeed more like a lurker lynch, and it's hard to win people for that. This isn't plurality: /


It's not that "he's a lurker", yeah he hasn't posted much but he has shown to be around. two hours ago he said he was catching up so I'll give him a little bit but day one he made two random general accusations and an apology post.
Today he has done nothing.

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On July 29 2013 00:49 exarezee wrote:
Exactly you made my point. Being wrong does not make me scum. They're my 2 best lynch candidates and I will try my best to get one of them lynched. If at the end of the day, neither are a lynch candidate, then I will move my vote onto someone that matters. Being stubborn is saying I'm voting papers! not gonna move!


Got my words on cardboard got his picture in my hand saying, if you see this guy can you lynch him like I planned?



All his posts are just... aggressive compared to his scum games (and this game) where he is sheeping much of the early game and not forming coherent ideas of his own.
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 27 2013 20:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 20:19 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
My case on FT begins after I reply to your post.
There is even a giant ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ inbetween

So... what association are you talking about?


The association between Tofu and I. There is no good reason to clutter your case on Tofu with shit against me unless you think there may be an association. The only time I (as town) have ever talked shit about one person in a case against another person is when I thought that they were both scum.


I don't really understand what you're doing.

I ask for people's opinion on Tofu cause people are being active and I'm working on a case.
I get a reply from you saying you think he looks town.
So after finishing my case, I quote you, and I say:

I DISAGREE
BECAUSE
____________

*CASE*

Are you feeling attacked?


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 28 2013 01:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 28 2013 01:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 28 2013 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 28 2013 00:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats your case makes no sense to me, why do you think JAtownie is scum?

Cause he nitpicks peoples post. He suddenly 180s on a read convinced by a really bad post.
He never explains how papers is scum cause of that, just points out 'bad' posts without offering any analysis.


I happen to agree that vayne has done nothing and that before you made that case you had done nothing.
So what is left, he nitpicks stuff during the first 12 hours of the game? Please explain why that is scummy.

because he takes it and calls 1 part scummy. Like he is trying so desperately to call paper's scum. If you read a filter and you dont think a dude is scum, you dont make a case right? Well justanothertownie decided that he had to call papers scum and capitalize on the current thread view towards him and went through his filter thinking that. So he nitpicked. Nitpicking is bad and scummy because it shows you dont have actual reasons to believe someone is scum.

Clarity, who is scum? And dont say vayne, hes town.


I'm not buying it, I understand that argument when you cherrypick a 10 page filter but it was like 12 hours into the game or something.

Anyway, other than Tofu? I dunno, there's a lot of people who have contributed nothing or the minimum and I'm kinda getting worried this is just gonna be a town on town shitfest.
What makes you say vayne is town?




I really don't know how to word it properly without you having to read it and some of the ones I spoilered aren't that great of an example. It's just an overall feel/sense that I get from his posting style, just seems SO different to me in subtle ways. It's like the difference is that he points things out as mafia but makes sure we know them as town?

Aperture filter
Titanic filter

This game's day 1 filter has all been just posts without construction, the ones he did quote weren't aggressive, they were questioning/pointing out:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 03 2013 00:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause its hard to see tiny little Vote FOR DUDES.


Marv you scum?


Do you think he is?

Hmm.
Ok so another reason why I think HF is town.

If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town.
If marv is town, marv is probably right.

So both ways, HF is town I think.

I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way.


To be expected this early on, no?

I think you're either under or overestimating marv's scumgame if you think he can't call his scumpartner town.
Same goes for town marv being right/wrong about HF

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On October 03 2013 00:02 slOosh wrote:
Scum marv would call scumbuddy HF scum?


Whatsup sloosh, any thoughts on stuffs?




This is so frustrating to convey you have no idea....
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 10 2013 12:53 GMT
#2684
I did include the case, but that's not the overlying reasoning. It's hard to explain it.....
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 10 2013 12:56 GMT
#2685
Alright. I'll try to find time to look later with what you've said in mind.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 13:09 GMT
#2686
From game of thrones where I was town
On August 10 2013 13:50 FirmTofu wrote:
Town Clarity is someone who has a very confident Day 1. He pressures people, attacks with authority, and backs off only when he is confident that the player he is attacking is not scum. Clarity displayed NONE of that during day 1. Clarity played rather passive and although he was relatively active, his accusations were a lot less characteristic of his town play.

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 10 2013 15:49 GMT
#2687
I don't understand why anyone would want me to post my case anytime before the end of the night. That's stupid.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 10 2013 15:51 GMT
#2688
On October 11 2013 00:49 Risen wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would want me to post my case anytime before the end of the night. That's stupid.


because being able to discuss the case while everyone is alive is worth more than whatever nightkill shit you think you're avoiding?

like, only if the case is on not-Clarity would what you say even start to make sense :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 15:51 GMT
#2689
On October 11 2013 00:49 Risen wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would want me to post my case anytime before the end of the night. That's stupid.


??
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 15:52 GMT
#2690
Watching the thread like hawks is we
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 10 2013 16:18 GMT
#2691
On October 11 2013 00:51 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 11 2013 00:49 Risen wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would want me to post my case anytime before the end of the night. That's stupid.


because being able to discuss the case while everyone is alive is worth more than whatever nightkill shit you think you're avoiding?

like, only if the case is on not-Clarity would what you say even start to make sense :/

What? No. Posting it sooner gives Clarity more chances to base his kill around the case
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 16:24 GMT
#2692
Don't worry Risen, if you're not scum then whoever is is most likely not killing you.
If you wait and I'm scum, imagine I kill holyflare, he now never gets to give his opinion on it which marv might need to decide who to kill lylo.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 16:25 GMT
#2693
The fact that you're not posting your case now is bad town play at best. It helps scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 10 2013 16:26 GMT
#2694
On October 11 2013 01:18 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 00:51 marvellosity wrote:
On October 11 2013 00:49 Risen wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would want me to post my case anytime before the end of the night. That's stupid.


because being able to discuss the case while everyone is alive is worth more than whatever nightkill shit you think you're avoiding?

like, only if the case is on not-Clarity would what you say even start to make sense :/

What? No. Posting it sooner gives Clarity more chances to base his kill around the case


Explain how that even begins to makes sense? Even theoretically, how would revealing the contents of the case change the kill?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 16:40 GMT
#2695
Have you finished your case Risen? Like, is it ready to be posted at your discretion?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 10 2013 16:46 GMT
#2696
meh, I'm away from some hours now anyways.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 16:50 GMT
#2697
Yeah but in case I die I'd prefer to be more/less certain on Risen and offer my perspective -.-
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 10 2013 16:58 GMT
#2698
No it isn't finished. I hadn't planned on finishing it until tonight, I didn't think about people giving their thoughts. I'll post my notes.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 10 2013 16:59 GMT
#2699
Read risens scum game shit he's saying is identical, down to even the words. Got aggressive in that one too just the same way. His town game was much more friendly if that means anything to anyone. Just posting thoughts now. Also risen I am most likely to die right now so I'll post whatever comes to mind. On train anyway so probably won't be back for tonight. Gl marv
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 10 2013 17:00 GMT
#2700
Although clarity did say he'd definitely not lynch rayn but didn't push for anyone instead we literally berated him to switch
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