World Heavyweight Championship mafia - Page 115

On October 03 2013 17:40 marvellosity wrote:


then vote for one of them

why is this complicated?

On October 03 2013 18:27 marvellosity wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

##unvote

Thing with Dirk is. Maybe slOosh is right and he's being consistent. His answers don't feel forced. I dunno. This might be one of those occasions where I've mercilessly trapped a townie. I really just wish he'd just put his hands up and said "I fucked up" right at the start, because it looks like he wiggled about it a bit much for my liking. But meh.

On October 03 2013 21:32 marvellosity wrote:


It's not a cheap shot, it's true. You're always a possible mislynch and mafia don't have to push you because you're scummy enough that town will push you on their behalf. That's just fact.

rayn, my dear. I think we both know that a decent way of reading your alignment is how you go after your targets and how confrontational and aggressive you are. Even if I take your busyness claim at face value, how do you imagine I or other people in the game go about getting a townread on you, should you be town?

On October 03 2013 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes i see that, and that's what i am trying to do. I was trying to do that with BH yesterday, but for some reason he is impossible to talk to. :D

On October 03 2013 21:36 marvellosity wrote:
You're stuck in the hole I'm stuck in, rayn, in that your mafia play is very accomplished.

So when you don't exhibit things I expect from town-rayn, I worry.

On October 03 2013 22:08 marvellosity wrote:


I did, but maybe I'm being stupid and forgetting. I'll check. My apologies if so.

On October 03 2013 22:09 marvellosity wrote:
Hmm. meh. I only semi-retract, still seems odd. Maybe it's just rayn-odd though. Carry on I guess?

On October 03 2013 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
This game is hard. I really want to lynch mafia today :/

Dirk thing is tearing me apart because it all reads as so fucking scummy and twisty, but at the same time I "believe" what he's telling me. It's actually infuriating.

On May 18 2013 13:27 s0Lstice wrote:
It'd be sputnik, and I'd feel ok about it.

What you were saying about Marv and his descent from rage was compelling though. Something caught my eye while reading the whole Marv/Dandel exchange



the apology....as Marv has done this before, I wondered if he ever has apologized for it. If he has done this before but never really showed any sign of guilt, then that is something. I've been digging through personality to see. Need to look at his scum games as well, its a fat wad of meta to get through. Still though, food for thought.

On January 04 2013 20:24 Palmar wrote:
I am here to prove Marvellosity is scum

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Three things make marvellosity scum:

• Lack of effort
  
• No scumreads
  
• General apathy about who should be lynched
  

For reference, here is is filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=140487&currentpage=All

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Marv isn't a normal player, he's not going to scumslip and get owned by some woopsie, but he can nevertheless be figured out as scum quite easily. You just have to look beyond the basics.

Let's start with the first one. I know I'm not one to speak this game but Marv has almost no post of any significance in the game. Literally his entire filter for the first few pages is a bunch of one-liners with little or no opinions in them. He explains my motives at length in one post here linky!. But that's about the only content he posted early in the game. I want to take you guys back to a previous game of his as town to give you the comparison.

Compare this to his opening in Rock Band mafia where he was town Clicky!

Right off the Bat marv is giving detailed reasonings of his thought process and trying to get people to listen to him. That's not the case this game.

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The second point is that Marvellosity isn't doing anything to paint people scum.

I am literally going to list up every indication of wanting to lynch someone or attempting to scumhunt Marvellosity has made. I'm leaving out random loaded questions towards people though.



Policy lynch (that's the only time he ever mentions kush).



Sheeping on Adam's case on clarity, without any later attempts at pushing anything in that direction, except of course this post here.



That's it. Aside from him trying to claim he has some "extra knowledge" about how I play, which I kinda thought was true but clearly isn't the case if he's apathetic/dumb enough to actually want to lynch me today, that's all he's done so far this game.

A huge reason I think marvellosity is scum is that he's not scumhunting. He hasn't posted any reasons for any of his reads, his sole aggression is against me for "trolling". To be perfectly honest it's so easy to attack me that marv hardly bothers, he simply writes a bunch of shit about how I'm capable of doing all these things as either alignment, and then says "I've had enough of you" and votes me.

That's his entire case, and he sees no reason to push any other case or even discuss anyone else at length. I want you all to go and read marv's filter and look at how much he has talked about other people than myself. It's almost not there.

Which leads me to point number 3

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Marv seems to not care at all who gets lynched. He kinda wants to lynch me it seems based on my actions early game, but he's not really pushing it. He's not actively trying to get people to lynch me, he doesn't even seem to particularly care if people agree with him, which is a big red flag for me. If he genuinely thinks I'm scum, shouldn't he be pushing this read of his?

When asked he hardly even answers:



This enough simply being the explanation post of his that I already linked previously in this case, and then this thing here:



And what follows is basically him saying I can do a lot of things as either alignment.

Marv knows that if I want to I won't get lynched today, and assuming he's scum he also knows that I am town and will not allow myself to be lynched like that. So it's a safe push and a good long-term tunnel.

Once again. Marv is not actively trying to lynch me, he's perfectly fine with sitting back and not doing anything.

Apathetic Marv is scum Marv.

##Vote Marvellosity

On no time ever did anyone write:

Any case on scum-marv's day 1 because it always looks too good, too clean.

Marv then votes sloosh. He doesn't push this lynch at all.

On October 09 2013 20:39 Clarity_nl wrote:


Yeah this is silly. As marv pointed out we had a majority so we were basically waiting for:
a) Sloosh to get lynched; or
b) Something to happen

No need to push someone who has a majority unless sentiment is moving away from the lynchtarget, which it wasn't.

Like, it's another example of you just reading the first 8 pages of marv's filter and calling things scummy, when in context they are not. Townies do this too, however....

That said, marv's follow up on dirk vote day 1 was fine.
He voted you because your opening post was scummy. Then when asked to explain your vote you were having issues so his vote was still on you, then when you were being consistently terrible in your defense you seemed genuine and he unvoted (and explained).

At no point did I wonder "why is marv's vote on dirk", and neither should you have.

On October 02 2013 22:57 Dirkzor wrote:

I like your push. Your questions and pokes have some reason behind them. It also helps me explain myself better.

I felt maybe clarity made the obligated questioning of your vote and reason and then just jumped the "wagon"... But I'm really sure what to do with that.

And I would argue that making a vote with your first post will always draw attention. Especially when there is so little to work with...