• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:01
CET 10:01
KST 18:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
2025 POECurrency Christmas POE 2 Update 0.4.0 Curr 2025 IGGM Merry Christmas ARC Raiders Items Sale 2025 IGGM Christmas Diablo 4 Season 11 Items Sale 2025 IGGM Monopoly Go Christmas Sale Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1218 users

Thug Life Mini Mafia - Page 4

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 18:31 GMT
#767
/facepalm
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 19:31 GMT
#823
um yeah i was in favor of rng lynch not any more, i found ppl i wanted to lynch

like honestly I could have rnged at any time but first yamato then FT seemed like a better idea to me than rnging a lynch. I figured I'd defuse the whole "rng" situation by actually rolling the dice so that people would get on my FT wagon. just like how a policy lynch seems like a good idea until you have a scumread, so too the rng lynch seems.

also yeah FT is obviously trying to appease me, very funny FT
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 19:43 GMT
#830
On September 28 2013 04:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 04:31 Blazinghand wrote:
um yeah i was in favor of rng lynch not any more, i found ppl i wanted to lynch

like honestly I could have rnged at any time but first yamato then FT seemed like a better idea to me than rnging a lynch. I figured I'd defuse the whole "rng" situation by actually rolling the dice so that people would get on my FT wagon. just like how a policy lynch seems like a good idea until you have a scumread, so too the rng lynch seems.

also yeah FT is obviously trying to appease me, very funny FT

Explain your FT suspicion to me as if you thought I was an idiot, which shouldn't be hard given that you expect me to believe this bullshit.


So basically, I view a good way of distinguishing town from scum as "town can do some things more easily than scum can". Obviously, you would probably expect town to be promoting a good town environment, pushing reads, and taking strong stances. However, scum can also do these things. A skilled scum player (say, myself) could easily push reads and take strong stances. So how do we tell a scum player from a town player? Well, a big part of this is the player's mindset.

It's one thing to make a push. But it's another thing to make a well-reasoned push. Scum can easily fake "X is scum", but not as easily fake "X is scum and here's my thought process as to why it happened!" because faking a mindset and chain of logic is inherently more difficult. When town players (most of the time) have a scumread, in their mind there is a REASON for it. This reason naturally comes through because they explain it to other townies in an attempt to get their target lynched.

This explanation and reasoning is called a "push" or "case" most of the time.

FT, in dropping his vote on Shiaopi (and dropping some mad suspicion on grack), did not show his mindset, his reasoning, his case. Someone astutely noted that given what FT has said, grack would be the natural vote! FT was very suspicious of grack and actually gave reasons (albeit shitty reasons) why grack might be scum. However, instead, with almost no explanation, FT voted ShiaoPi. When questioned on it later, he said,

On September 28 2013 03:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 15:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, the reason the vote on shiaopi is a shit vote is because of how you're framing it. "ShiaoPi is playing below full potential" when the dude was only in thread for an hour and dropped some one-liners is bad reasoning. Like, instead say "ShiaoPi is lurking" because the reason you're voting for him doesn't have shit to do with his potential, or one-liners, or whatever. You're voting him because he was only in-thread for an hour, and barely posted. You're voting him for lurking.

If you're gonna policy a guy for lurking, man up and admit it. Don't try to look like you have some serious analysis going on, FT-- you don't.

Of course it is a shit vote. I wanted ShiaoPi to contribute. It has served its purpose from what I can tell of ShiaoPi's filter. It provided the impetus for a contributing ShiaoPi. That, in itself, is reason enough to justify my actions.

I knew my "reasoning" was weak at best. Consider my motivations of my action; consider the result I am trying to get.



and earlier when questioned about his grack suspicion and asked for reasoning, he said,

On September 27 2013 15:41 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 15:39 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.

I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet.

Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain?

We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day.

Well I can't just sit here and let you call me scum without giving any reasoning.

You can, and you will.

I'm going to actually go to bed now. ^_^



and he never followed up.

His only follow-up on return (besides backtracking his shiaopi vote, a VERY EASY thing for him to do since he provided no reasoning) was...

On September 28 2013 03:30 FirmTofu wrote:
##vote: Koshi
I'm keeping my word here. BH's solution to the RNG problem is quite inventive. I will double check if it was truly random, but if it was I'm sticking with Koshi.

30% are pretty good odds.

BH, why aren't you voting Koshi?

On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where is Rayn?

Absent and defending me. Everytime that's happened, he's been scum.


and of course calling me town. Where's his grack suspicion? Did he drop it for the RNG vote? Admittedly, he stated support for the RNG vote earlier, so the fact that he cast his vote for the RNG isn't terrible.

But he scolds town to continue scumhunting, and does not do it himself.

Where's the pressure on Rayne and Grack, his two supposed scumreads? Where's the attempt to hunt scum? Where's the accountability?

There is none. FT is scum.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 19:51 GMT
#834
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 19:58 GMT
#838
On September 28 2013 04:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.

I'd rather you just say that you'll vote Yamato with me if Koshi doesn't get the support it so rightly deserves.

I'm down for a yamato lynch.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 20:02 GMT
#841
On September 28 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.

I'd rather you just say that you'll vote Yamato with me if Koshi doesn't get the support it so rightly deserves.

I'm down for a yamato lynch.

Then I don't care if you lied about RNG. ^^

._. no lies happened noob
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 20:08 GMT
#844
On September 28 2013 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.

I'd rather you just say that you'll vote Yamato with me if Koshi doesn't get the support it so rightly deserves.

I'm down for a yamato lynch.

Then I don't care if you lied about RNG. ^^

._. no lies happened noob

You lied about supporting RNG. Don't deny it it's explicit in your posts. I don't care, I'm just saying you're a liar. Embrace it.

I didn't lie about shit and you're a dirty liar for calling me a liar.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 20:09 GMT
#845
Like I changed my mind man. It happens.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 20:45 GMT
#856
So reading koshi's filter is a pain. He's still doing lots of one-liners, as he did before. Less interactions/asking/questions/taking stands, which seems bad. FT and yamato both higher prio imo
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 20:49 GMT
#859
I'm not lying about his filter being a pain. And reading golden sun for a comparison filter? ack.

btw if we end up rando lynching Koshi i take all credit as king of the rando lynch
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 21:10 GMT
#875
your statements and of questions are of no relevance to me yamato
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 21:16 GMT
#882
On September 28 2013 06:12 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:10 Blazinghand wrote:
your statements and of questions are of no relevance to me yamato

You policy voted me. Since when is that a good way to find mafia?

Right now I think you're full of shit.


vote me or can it.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 21:19 GMT
#886
On September 28 2013 06:18 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like BH isn't interested at all in trying to figure out peoples' alignments. He's not trying to clarify peoples' stances or get information from people. All he's interested in is attempting to appear contributory.

Precisely.

i don't see a vote
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 21:22 GMT
#891
like imo this weird posturing from yamato just makes him look scummier. I think he's trying to feel for some kind of wagon on me, or maybe discredit me? Like, if he really thinks I'm scum, why wouldn't he just vote me? yamato is very aggressive and a town yamato wouldn't hesitate.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 21:22 GMT
#892
On September 28 2013 06:22 yamato77 wrote:
We all know me voting for BH right now doesn't do much.

He won't do anything different, and I won't have my vote to slap someone else with that might.

If I feel like he needs to die, it will happen.


Oh, sure, that's a great reason. NOT
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 21:24 GMT
#895
On September 28 2013 06:23 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:
like imo this weird posturing from yamato just makes him look scummier. I think he's trying to feel for some kind of wagon on me, or maybe discredit me? Like, if he really thinks I'm scum, why wouldn't he just vote me? yamato is very aggressive and a town yamato wouldn't hesitate.

You are quite retarded as town.

so are you saying i'm town or what
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 27 2013 21:36 GMT
#908
hm ok i'm down for yamato over FT even
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 28 2013 00:06 GMT
#954
Koshi I don't understand what you're mad at me for. I'm not even voting you. I just upgraded the RNG debate. Are you mad that I HAPPENED to roll you?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 28 2013 02:40 GMT
#1007
man if koshi flips scum you guys are gonna think i'm scum for not rng lynch him what bullshit is this. i bet if he flips town you'll think i'm scum too for other shit reasons. typical. just typical
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
September 28 2013 02:40 GMT
#1008
it's fine though, i'm pretty pro, i won't get lynched
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
PiGosaur Cup #62
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
trigger 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 1857
Bisu 731
Shuttle 373
ToSsGirL 347
Stork 277
Larva 207
Leta 117
Sharp 72
sorry 61
ggaemo 57
[ Show more ]
Sacsri 26
ajuk12(nOOB) 25
GoRush 14
Sexy 11
JulyZerg 10
zelot 3
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm128
League of Legends
C9.Mang0501
Other Games
summit1g11304
XaKoH 400
Happy335
Fuzer 144
ceh9121
crisheroes58
Mew2King48
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1166
BasetradeTV25
StarCraft 2
CranKy Ducklings14
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH312
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1881
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
2h 59m
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Big Brain Bouts
1d 7h
Elazer vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.