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Wave, I HAVE ALREADY USED UP THE BAD ENOUGH DUDE THING SO SORRY THAT I CAN'T USE IT FOR YOU.
HOWEVER, LET'S TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE POSTS OF FT YOU HATE JUST BEFORE/AFTER LYNCH, AND ALSO ABOUT VA.
I MADE A POST ON VA. AND SPOILERED IT ON THE LAST PAGE. PLOX TO READ AND CHAT.
In non-caps, I think you're super overreacting to FT and jumping to incorrect conclusions. I think that "earlier voters scummier than later voters" comment is NOT scummy, because that post does NOTHING for a scum player. It doesn't move votes, it doesn't get read later, it's just useless letters.
I think that THIS set of posts:On October 02 2013 05:45 WaveofShadow wrote:His reaction to the shenanigans: Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote:
Wait... what the fuck just happened... Apparently it's extremely confusing to FT that people decided to vote his 'scumread' rather than him. And I know I'm one to defend people's emotions and whatnot but I'm sorry, I just don't believe this. Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 05:20 FirmTofu wrote:
Seriously, it's so fucking stupid how WRONG I've been about everything recently. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. It's fucking frustrating. Just going to take a hiatus before I just spiral.
fuck me Honestly, the second quote is more believable than the first. Don't ask me why, just goin' on guts. I'm going to keep pushing VA and FT for scum until I die tonight, and then you guys can forget about my reads just like you do for every other confirmed townie! I'm not using my vest. Scum, it's your call. Apparently I'm not exactly a threat this game since people won't listen but if you're still scurred of me I'm a free range fucking turkey.
Is also not scummy. I read that as legitimate WTF. Not "HAHAHAHA SCRUBS MAFIA IZ DA GREETEST!!!11!!1", but "WTF HE WAS TOWN AND I KNOW I AM TOWN SO WE WERE BOTH TOWN ALL ALONG /MNIGHTSHYAMALAN"
Can you read them in that light? Or they are absolutely positively mega scummy? If nothing else, IF FT happened to be town, could you see that as a reaction?
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(Perfectly possible that he's just playacting there, yes. But I also think that post makes sense from town FT. I don't think it's the ammo/nail in the coffin that you're looking for here)
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Yayaya, I know the feeling. But I legit disagree with you on this one, and if I can't convince you that he's town I want to at least poke at this read and also keep trying to figure you out more.
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On October 02 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
while you're around austin, I don't really understand your case. It just reads like a documentary. We know what happened; but you don't seem to really draw any conclusions from it. Instead of telling us how any of that makes me scummy in context you are content to just comment on what happened.
The first part I speculate...ok that's what I do lol. I have speculated in half my filter, why that post specifically?
The second part is me making a legitimate mistake and getting too excited about finding something incriminating. I take a step back and realize it fits HP's nature. Not even remotely scummy. Won't ever come back to this point.
The third part is really just nitpicking, I don't have a problem with Mr.CC yet so I don't feel the need to talk to him. By the same token you think mr.CC is scummy too for not talking to me then right? It's a bad argument as you can see.
So let's talk about the first part then. Alrighty. That post specifically because of what the speculation DOES, and the lack of effort to actually attach the speculation to the thread.
As far as what it does, it just tosses out a bunch of names. You don't show why THESE are the names you pull out of BH's filter, and you make no effort to narrow things down. Someone shot BH. You dumb a list of dudes, these are all potential killers. But poof, that's it. If you're speculating as a townie, you might say "Here are a bunch of maybe killers. Oh shit, one/some of these guys totally shot a townie last night, that's not cool, I better figure out which.
Analyzing things to see who killed BH is POSSIBLY helpful. But leaving a dump of names and not sifting through them is NOT helpful. And for someone who is apparently playing with cards close to the vest, keeping reads to himself, I would expect EVEN MORE SO that if you're going to bring up this list, you have a reason and a followup. You're willing to keep reads and information to yourself, but you're going to toss out half-thoughts? Boo. Not helpful to town. Just useless activity that LOOKS like it goes somewhere, but doesn't.
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And I know a thing or two about speculating. Heck, I spend more time speculating as scum than I do playing the game, filling QT with useless scenarios and thoughts about what will happen if our team does x or y.
I don't see that post as presenting a whole thought, trying to get anyone thinking on this, or even showing that YOU are interested in thinking about this and reaching any kind of conclusion. It's a nothingpost that says "here are some dudes who are in the game where BH died."
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On October 02 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
I see your thought process and I now know why you think im scum every game. Not much else to say. That's what I do. I don't explain or push my reads but I play a very defensive style where I just make sure I don't get lynched as town. You can be like wave and ad hom attack me for it or you can simply ignore me, I don't really mind either way Stupidity/random questions/paint pictures > ad homs.
I actually had a bit I deleted about how you say you don't like to push your lynches/reads, and that's fine, but I feel like this is a separate matter.
This is just about presenting a full thought, or presenting any sort of read. That post is entirely air, imo (anyone else, feel free to weigh in here). I have found you scummy in games you've presented reads, yeah, but I don't think you can claim that the post about who might have killed BH is a read or something like that.
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On October 02 2013 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:28 austinmcc wrote:
I WILL ACTIVATE THE SIRENS KNOCK IT OFF
VE
THE THREAD HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY ARGUING.
ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO CHAT WITH AUSTINMCC INSTEAD OF ARGUING?
You want to lynch Hiro Protagonist. And Palmar?
I will gladly chat about either of those people, and listen, and maybe get down with them lynches, if you will talk to me about solstice and ... pandain.
Specifically, I will offer this --> Hiro Pro does not look good, but why do I lynch him NOW instead of trying to get him to comment on like...a bunch of stuff, lynching him if he doesn't or his responses are super scummy? Where did the bolded come from? Anyway, I'll discuss s0l with you. I'm willfully ignoring Pandain for the moment, but promise to take a look before dawn and I'll provide my read then. Anything specific you want to discuss about s0lstice? Mainly from I think misreading this postOn October 02 2013 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
You didn't really push the rayn lynch through which I WOULD have expected from a town Palmar. But I'm not sure how much of that to attribute to you not having played in X amount of time, now in a game with several people who you're not sure will just blindly do what you say. Ultimately, that's not enough for me to change my read. Which I took as "you look scummy for x" "but maybe you're town because of the circumstances" "except that's not enough for me to change my read"
Actually, I really hate your posts on Palmar because it doesn't seem like you can figure out WHAT you want to do with him, despite calling him town at a couple points you don't seem convinced.
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On October 02 2013 09:53 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:51 austinmcc wrote:On October 02 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
I see your thought process and I now know why you think im scum every game. Not much else to say. That's what I do. I don't explain or push my reads but I play a very defensive style where I just make sure I don't get lynched as town. You can be like wave and ad hom attack me for it or you can simply ignore me, I don't really mind either way Stupidity/random questions/paint pictures > ad homs. I actually had a bit I deleted about how you say you don't like to push your lynches/reads, and that's fine, but I feel like this is a separate matter. This is just about presenting a full thought, or presenting any sort of read. That post is entirely air, imo (anyone else, feel free to weigh in here). I have found you scummy in games you've presented reads, yeah, but I don't think you can claim that the post about who might have killed BH is a read or something like that. I actually have laid out 3 pretty concise reads. my top 3 lynch targets right now are pandain, grackaroni, and palmar. You can see why I am not wasting my breath atm until lategame when people are actually ready to play I have no problem with that, if you actually want to play in that matter.
But, to me, that's a reason to be suspicious/scummy on you.
Because if you want to present concise reads and not waste your breath, then that post about how 1/4 of the thread might have killed BH is not a concise read and IS a waste of breath. Heck, that's why it sticks out, because it appears to be exactly the sort of thing you say you don't care about, but you posted it anyway. Reads like a post made for activity's sake/trying to look like you're analyzing something.
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On October 02 2013 10:01 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote:On October 02 2013 09:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 02 2013 09:51 austinmcc wrote:On October 02 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
I see your thought process and I now know why you think im scum every game. Not much else to say. That's what I do. I don't explain or push my reads but I play a very defensive style where I just make sure I don't get lynched as town. You can be like wave and ad hom attack me for it or you can simply ignore me, I don't really mind either way Stupidity/random questions/paint pictures > ad homs. I actually had a bit I deleted about how you say you don't like to push your lynches/reads, and that's fine, but I feel like this is a separate matter. This is just about presenting a full thought, or presenting any sort of read. That post is entirely air, imo (anyone else, feel free to weigh in here). I have found you scummy in games you've presented reads, yeah, but I don't think you can claim that the post about who might have killed BH is a read or something like that. I actually have laid out 3 pretty concise reads. my top 3 lynch targets right now are pandain, grackaroni, and palmar. You can see why I am not wasting my breath atm until lategame when people are actually ready to play I have no problem with that, if you actually want to play in that matter. But, to me, that's a reason to be suspicious/scummy on you. Because if you want to present concise reads and not waste your breath, then that post about how 1/4 of the thread might have killed BH is not a concise read and IS a waste of breath. Heck, that's why it sticks out, because it appears to be exactly the sort of thing you say you don't care about, but you posted it anyway. Reads like a post made for activity's sake/trying to look like you're analyzing something. could you elaborate on how having 3 clear scum reads seems like waffling to you? I think if you have 3 clear scum reads, that is sexy and good.
However, THIS post is NOT 3 clear scum reads:On September 30 2013 07:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
So I have no idea why anyone shot BH or what this means. The only people that trusted him even remotely were pandain, grack, and palmar. Everybody else tried to throw suspicion on him or said he was scummy. He died though so we know it wasn't a cop kill. Sooo wtf is going on here.
Palmar/Pandain probably come off looking the worst from this since palmar gave him a town read and visa versa and pandain is trying to lynch FT through his dead body. Grack has some sort of boner for BH where he looks up to him so that is a potential fear kill.
No need to reply to this post, I won't read it
And this is the post that I keep coming back to and having trouble with. I'm specifically talking about that single post, and you don't present those people as clear scumreads there, imo.
(Side note: When I want to find that post, I open your full filter and do a search for the word boner, because I know it appears in that post and no others.....)
If you're using "these people interacted with BH" as part of thinking all three of those people are scum, then I also find that wonky, as it's unlikely they all got together and shot BH.
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On October 02 2013 10:09 s0Lstice wrote:
austin, I'll discuss s0lstice with you
just to be clear...I am scum because I haven't been chomping at the bit to get all caught up and not be useless like you were correct? 'S a piece of it, yes.
I've disagreed with some of the reads you presented, but that's not a wonderful foundation.
Look all the way back to:On October 02 2013 00:07 austinmcc wrote:You guys should stop, imo. Neither of you seems to be getting anywhere. Instead, I propose we chat about some of the following: - solstice
- Pandain's trolly "I'm mafia too, Palmar!" posts
- Kittens in air balloons
Specifically: - Where dat dude is? What are his current thoughts on FT, he left off with "nothing struck me as odd" and looking into it. This was an oddly difficult thread to read through and catch up on, so I can understand his somewhat difficulty in getting up to speed, but...I respect solstice as a player and I know I was sitting around yesterday mad at myself because I was trying to catch up, hadn't, and needed to be active and posting. Solstice isn't really exhibiting that.
The posts you ARE making, the reads you are presenting, just don't match up with my thoughts on your normal play. Aside from the whole guilt thing.
On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good.
from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well.
hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here).
Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got.
There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight.
Here are some dudes, nothing odd about FT.
On October 02 2013 01:09 s0Lstice wrote:
like I said earlier I did get up to page 40 or so. still don't like the FT lynch. didn't see anything in his filter that screamed scum to me.
from what I saw I would like to lynch hiro
Don't like FT. Didn't see anything scum.
On October 02 2013 01:15 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 01:09 ShiaoPi wrote:
can you elaborate on reads you have made so far? yea I got WoS, Vayne, s&b, VE, Koshi as town reads I feel pretty good about. WoS for being engaged and furthering discussion into useful directions, s&b for a few posts that struck me as really good thinking, VE is gut, Koshi hasn't flipped his switch to 'woe is me/how does I play game/is this good?' yet so he's probably town, Vayne for lacking ad hom mainly but also for some useful contributions that I'm not used to from him. hiro entered the thread and didn't say shit about the rando lynch thing despite it being THE topic. I don't see how a townie isn't geeked out to talk about it. Hated his passive 'want to see more from X' posts. Oats may have gotten better, but what I said earlier still stands at least from what I saw. I see participation in the thread without any motive force behind it.
Here are some reads, nothing on FT.
On October 02 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote:
@austin: tell me how I express guilt, specifically as it retains to an internet forum. you must know as it's important to your read on me.
##vote hiro protagonist
All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all
I read this as "My townreads are on FT and I am townie on FT so I'm not going to sheep like I said," but still without ANY substantiation of the FT townread.
On October 02 2013 04:59 s0Lstice wrote:
I'd prefer to not die by fire shiao. I just don't feel anything for you vs some positive feelings for FT.
Still think hiro is a better lynch than both
Positive feelings for FT.
You make good posts. You have good reads. (AS TOWN). Here, you have a "read" that is never really substantiated, starts as just "don't find anything scummy" but has never involved actually pointing to a single thing you find TOWNIE.
This was a person up for lynch today, your first day to be able to lynch. But you never seem to actually look at him and present thoughts, you just keep plugging away, mentioning him without saying anything, and skate by. If you think FT is townie, like I do, and have reasons that you have presented and argued, like I do, then you might think that this is mafia calling a townie a townie but not being able to formulate his reasoning. Willing to drop a big old "here are some reads" but never actually substantiate the read on a serious lynch candidate today...no townie.
Muy scumioso.
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And yet you won't even pose a simple query in the form of a hotdog order.
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On October 02 2013 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 10:26 austinmcc wrote:
And yet you won't even pose a simple query in the form of a hotdog order. He might be scum just for that. The sad thing is I legitimately find that scummy. Whenever I've asked random dumb questions to people, town has responded and scum have ducked them/said they don't understand/not responded. It's 2/2 on catching scum even though it's not supposed to, never should, and I don't understand.
If WoS is scum, I might actually have to put some credence in reads based on stupid crap, and I'm not sure I'm ready for that world yet.
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On October 02 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
one example I have ( gonna try and help our cops out here)
1 of the cops uses precision shot.
the other walkie talkies the person shot at. If they are town you add another person to your town circle, if they are scum...well they are dead.
I can post more if anyone thinks this isn't retarded. (Except unless you're a cop you don't know whether those abilities are split between the two or both on one)
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On October 02 2013 10:31 s0Lstice wrote:
oh austin dearest.
scum s0lstice: is skating by with lean reads because he can't for some reason (despite not being a dumbass) make convincing fake reads
town s0lstice: is skating by with lean reads because he is operating on incomplete information due to time comstraints but still feels compelled to be present and accounted for at important events (i.e. his first lynch)
again, not that I'm complaining about the time thing...but there is plenty to the town side of that and as far as I can tell you haven't made a clear case as to why one is better than the other. especially considering that I have a scum game to reference and I was in fine form in it.
you want to give hiro time to do something, and he was here from day 1. I've said I am not going to be useless all game and I meant it. If I never pull through, lynch me then. EZPZ
the truth is I have never been this inactive/useless as either alignment We can only be dearest right now if you're town 
I generally play active scum and I make fake reads and play and am somewhat active. I just played a scum game where I didn't post at all D2 and then just sheeped some vote right before the lynch happened. I do not buy into people always playing the same way, so having some fine form scum games(s) doesn't mean you're town this one (especially given that replacing into a game as scum is a whole different ball game than starting as scum).
Hiro has posted stuff that makes me want to get him to take stances on things he hasn't talked about. It's not just "post more", it's more "post on these specific topics"
You have posted a bunch about FT, but never actually SAID anything about him. Even more than VA's WHO SHOT BH? post, your FT comments are pure air. Never substantiated, constantly mentioned, and relatively important to the game given that he was up for lynch.
ALSO IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THIS INACTIVE/USLESS AS EITHER ALIGNMENT THEN I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHETHER YOU WERE ACTIVE SCUM IN SOME OTHER GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME. IT DOESN'T MATTER AT AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL. AND WHEN I'VE REPLACED IN AS SCUM I'VE BEEN INACTIVE, BUT REPLACING IN AS TOWN I USUALLY START COMING TO LIFE AFTER A BIT SO IT MAKES ME THINK EVEN MORE YOU ARE SCUM.
Sorry. Find you scummy. If you're townie we can makeup after the game, but no kissing because I got hot dog stand lady breath and you don't want none of that.
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On October 02 2013 10:32 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 10:31 austinmcc wrote:On October 02 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
one example I have ( gonna try and help our cops out here)
1 of the cops uses precision shot.
the other walkie talkies the person shot at. If they are town you add another person to your town circle, if they are scum...well they are dead.
I can post more if anyone thinks this isn't retarded. (Except unless you're a cop you don't know whether those abilities are split between the two or both on one) its some more speculation ammo you can use against me Nope. Again, I have an overly healthy love of speculation.
Saying maybe cops should do x or y, saying why, perfectly sexy. You're speculating as to what they can do, but speculating with a REASON ---> if you guys haven't read your role PMs, I've been thinking about you, and here are thoughts.
Whereas your speculation on who kills BH is more "BH WAS IN THIS GAME AND NOW HE IS DEAD AND HERE ARE SOME OTHER PEOPLE IN THE GAME SO MAYBE ONE OR ALL OF THEM KILLED HIM I THINK MAYBE PERHAPS?"
Totally different. Near-full support behind speculation over cop actions or whatever, because there's a townie purpose to it and a conclusion you're reaching. No support behind the BH post, I don't think you can equate the two.
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On October 02 2013 10:39 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 10:36 austinmcc wrote:On October 02 2013 10:31 s0Lstice wrote:
oh austin dearest.
scum s0lstice: is skating by with lean reads because he can't for some reason (despite not being a dumbass) make convincing fake reads
town s0lstice: is skating by with lean reads because he is operating on incomplete information due to time comstraints but still feels compelled to be present and accounted for at important events (i.e. his first lynch)
again, not that I'm complaining about the time thing...but there is plenty to the town side of that and as far as I can tell you haven't made a clear case as to why one is better than the other. especially considering that I have a scum game to reference and I was in fine form in it.
you want to give hiro time to do something, and he was here from day 1. I've said I am not going to be useless all game and I meant it. If I never pull through, lynch me then. EZPZ
the truth is I have never been this inactive/useless as either alignment We can only be dearest right now if you're town I generally play active scum and I make fake reads and play and am somewhat active. I just played a scum game where I didn't post at all D2 and then just sheeped some vote right before the lynch happened. I do not buy into people always playing the same way, so having some fine form scum games(s) doesn't mean you're town this one (especially given that replacing into a game as scum is a whole different ball game than starting as scum). Hiro has posted stuff that makes me want to get him to take stances on things he hasn't talked about. It's not just "post more", it's more "post on these specific topics" You have posted a bunch about FT, but never actually SAID anything about him. Even more than VA's WHO SHOT BH? post, your FT comments are pure air. Never substantiated, constantly mentioned, and relatively important to the game given that he was up for lynch. ALSO IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THIS INACTIVE/USLESS AS EITHER ALIGNMENT THEN I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHETHER YOU WERE ACTIVE SCUM IN SOME OTHER GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME. IT DOESN'T MATTER AT AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL. AND WHEN I'VE REPLACED IN AS SCUM I'VE BEEN INACTIVE, BUT REPLACING IN AS TOWN I USUALLY START COMING TO LIFE AFTER A BIT SO IT MAKES ME THINK EVEN MORE YOU ARE SCUM.Sorry. Find you scummy. If you're townie we can makeup after the game, but no kissing because I got hot dog stand lady breath and you don't want none of that. dude, you cited my capability as town to make good reads and good posts. thats meta. when you meta you have to provide both sides. that's why I said I haven't played like this as either alignment i.e. meta is going to be mostly useless at this point Fair (but you're still mafiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa).
Care to substantiate your FT read? Or talk about something else. Right now I'm going to be generally scummy on you because of what I've seen. And I will try to convince others you're scummy. If you're town, spend time doing townie stuff and don't argue with me solely about what's already happened in this game or others.
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Cops should do whatever they're going to do.
Because as everyone who seems to have read the cop powers and understand the cop powers knows, mafia has the ability to bulletproof players. Especially mafia that may or may not have used drive by last night.
Game is somewhat balanced around there being a good bit of counterplay between cops and mafia. IF you actually think FT is mafia, it's ridiculous to tell the cops to shoot him and have him not wear his vest. Mafia could either let him be shot and go through with a NK
OR
Mafia uses the KP to bulletproof FT. Instead of going 1-1 that night, they go 0-0 and have a "confirmed town" scum. I certainly know which of those looks better to me.
Come on brosephs. If you're going to go through the trouble of reading the cop powers, read the friggin' scum powers.
Cops do whatever you guys are doing, don't tell thread, kkthx
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And again, I think FT is town, but, if you think he's scum, you're sillypants for thinking everyone can tell the cops to do x and have it work out like you want. Because in your mind, HE IS SCUM AND HAS ACCESS TO A BULLETPROOF VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEST.
But seriously, he townzorz.
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