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Concerning my Oats vote opener:
Expected Oats to flip out about it when I voted him if he was mafia, he played it cool. Instead VE flipped out, I got distracted by VE. But that's VE being VE, and didn't tell me much about his alignment. The best piece of information I got out of that exchange was Oats telling me to put my vote on someone else, like he was paranoid about me still voting him.
S0lstice is probably scum. He is blowing this entire situation out of proportion. Blowing up small townie 'errors' is a mafia motive.
Rescinding townread on CR, he needs to step it up. We have confirmed towns now and the pool is getting smaller, have to second guess my gut.
But seriously, this game FEELS so much better than noire! Omg red flips ^^ Fuck noire forever
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UGH we need a flip from the OTHER SCUMTEAM to solve this game. I'm paranoid that people I think are town are really on the team we have no information about and it's making me jump at shadows while rereading the thread.
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Cheese can you address some stuff I typed about you last night?
VE hai.
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Like, we need to kill the last Banger to kill a KP, but we need to kill a Baller or whatever so that we can start actually finding the other scumteam. 
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Actually come to think of it Austin addressed solstice's suspicion on you before you could even get to it lol.
VE I get exactly what you're feeling atm.
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On September 28 2013 18:01 Chairman Ray wrote:
Oh, only 11 hours left. I definitely won't be here tomorrow for endgame, so I'm gonna stay up late tonight to try to catch up.
I've lightly skimmed through posts so far, and I take it that Koshi is winning votes because of RNG? Filtering through his posts, it's pretty clear that he's aggravated by this decision by town. I'm gonna put myself in his shoes for a sec. If I was town, and everyone was gonna RNG lynch me, then I would just be like wtf... I definitely wouldn't be angry since it's not due to my own lack of skill or other people's misreads, but sheer luck instead. Once I flip town, then the townies will just feel really stupid for doing it and I'd be okay with that. Now what if I was in Koshi's shoes and I was mafia? I would probably be a bit aggravated to push town off me, and if I flip red, then people will probably celebrate at my expense. But the thing is that I am not Koshi, so I don't share his feelings or thought process, so this read might be off. To people that have played with Koshi before, would you expect this kind of behavior from town or mafia Koshi? I definitely think that by his behavior, he is more likely mafia.
Another thing that's consistent with Koshi being mafia is that there are others trying to save him. If Koshi were town, then it could be possible that there is no effort to save him, light effort to save him, or heavy effort to save him. Anything is possible. If Koshi were mafia, I would bet that his mafia buddies wouldn't give up on him so easily, especially on D1. Since the RNG thing is so stupid, then his mafia buddies could easily make a case for it and not seem scummy in the process. So if Koshi were mafia, I would bet that there is some heavy effort to save him. Right now, we do see some heavy effort, in the form of the yamato train. Although this could happen if Koshi was either town or mafia, I suspect it is more likely if he were mafia.
Because of these reasons, I think there's a good chance that Koshi is actually scum, and we got really lucky with the RNG.
Just for now
##Vote: Koshi
I will be up for a bit more reading through posts. I would like to think about it a bit more before leaving for the night with a read that came from RNG.
Problem with the bolded: Invalidates his entire paragraph because 'he is not Koshi'. Preparing for a townflip (or, scum that isn't his team flip)
Next post:
On September 29 2013 01:44 Chairman Ray wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: yamato77
wtf?
This made me LOL:
On October 04 2013 12:35 Chairman Ray wrote:Hey I'm back now, and I did a quick read through the thread. Definitely impressed by all the reads and information people have been giving. You guys are definitely carrying me here  . Anyways, my personal opinion, I think it's best to go after people that have a possibility to be on a scumteam with SnB. If we can get rid of one scumteam, then the KP goes down. Reading through the filters, I think the strongest disconnect with SnB is probably Palmer. For this reason, even though Palmer might be a good lynch candidate, I wouldn't vote him myself just because I want to get rid of SnB's scumteam first. After a quick analysis, I don't think that there's much of a chance that VA and FT are on the same scumteam, and Palmer and FT are on the same scumteam either. There's a weak disconnect between VA and palmer, but that can go either way. So using the four people - VA, SnB, FT, and Palm, I will try to see if I can map out their alliance. Scenario A Scumteam: SnB, VA FT and Palmer cannot occupy third spot, and they are also disconnected, so one must be other scumteam, one must be town Scenario B Scumteam: SnB, FT VA and Palmer cannot occupy third spot. They can both be other scumteam, or one of the is scum, one is town. Among the three people VA, FT, and Palmer, here's the information that we will get from lynching them: VA - If he flips scum with SnB, then either FT or Palmer must be town. If he flips opposite scum, then FT is likely scum, or else both FT and Palmer are town. If he flips town, then FT and Palmer can be scum on opposite teams, or one is scum, one is town. FT - If he flips scum with SnB, then out of VA and palmer, one or both is on the other scumteam. If he flips other scumteam, then, Palmer is town, and VA is can either be town or scum with SnB, more likely scum with SnB. If he flips town, then we don't know much about Palmer and VA. Palmer - I don't want to lynch him, but if he flips other scumteam, then it doesn't say much about VA and FT, and if he flips town, it doesn't say much either. There's also solstice, which some people are pushing to vote. I think the only disconnect that can even be drawn with him is with Palmer, but it's not a very strong one. I also doubt he's gonna be lynched today, so there isn't much of a point trying to piece him in. I will do that tomorrow.
Right now, I think I'm gonna put my vote on FT since there isn't that big a benefit lynching VA over him, and plus, I wanna save Palmer.##Vote: FirmTofu
Scum with Palmsy?? LOL! He votes Vayne / FT multiple times but never Palmar in any case ever in life.
CR's posts are really constructed and fluent... kind of like town -should- be playing but don't.. kind of reeks of 'i wanna look townie'....
Have a few reservations, but def not a townread anymore.
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On October 06 2013 00:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Like, we need to kill the last Banger to kill a KP, but we need to kill a Baller or whatever so that we can start actually finding the other scumteam.
IN theory finding the third would be great, but I realized I'm not going to be able to do that, so I'm just going to have to be content to lynch scum.
If we get hit by an extra KP it's not the worst thing to happen especially since we're ACTUALLY hitting scum this game, especially if it means we'll have an easier time solving the game later on. There are also NKs tonight, don't forget, and at this point I would think scum don't actually want to hit each other---but since they don't even know the other team, they may not be able to avoid it and some of that paranoia may be solved inadvertently.
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On October 06 2013 00:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 18:01 Chairman Ray wrote:
Oh, only 11 hours left. I definitely won't be here tomorrow for endgame, so I'm gonna stay up late tonight to try to catch up.
I've lightly skimmed through posts so far, and I take it that Koshi is winning votes because of RNG? Filtering through his posts, it's pretty clear that he's aggravated by this decision by town. I'm gonna put myself in his shoes for a sec. If I was town, and everyone was gonna RNG lynch me, then I would just be like wtf... I definitely wouldn't be angry since it's not due to my own lack of skill or other people's misreads, but sheer luck instead. Once I flip town, then the townies will just feel really stupid for doing it and I'd be okay with that. Now what if I was in Koshi's shoes and I was mafia? I would probably be a bit aggravated to push town off me, and if I flip red, then people will probably celebrate at my expense. But the thing is that I am not Koshi, so I don't share his feelings or thought process, so this read might be off. To people that have played with Koshi before, would you expect this kind of behavior from town or mafia Koshi? I definitely think that by his behavior, he is more likely mafia.
Another thing that's consistent with Koshi being mafia is that there are others trying to save him. If Koshi were town, then it could be possible that there is no effort to save him, light effort to save him, or heavy effort to save him. Anything is possible. If Koshi were mafia, I would bet that his mafia buddies wouldn't give up on him so easily, especially on D1. Since the RNG thing is so stupid, then his mafia buddies could easily make a case for it and not seem scummy in the process. So if Koshi were mafia, I would bet that there is some heavy effort to save him. Right now, we do see some heavy effort, in the form of the yamato train. Although this could happen if Koshi was either town or mafia, I suspect it is more likely if he were mafia.
Because of these reasons, I think there's a good chance that Koshi is actually scum, and we got really lucky with the RNG.
Just for now
##Vote: Koshi
I will be up for a bit more reading through posts. I would like to think about it a bit more before leaving for the night with a read that came from RNG. Problem with the bolded: Invalidates his entire paragraph because 'he is not Koshi'. Preparing for a townflip (or, scum that isn't his team flip) Next post: wtf? This made me LOL: Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:35 Chairman Ray wrote:Hey I'm back now, and I did a quick read through the thread. Definitely impressed by all the reads and information people have been giving. You guys are definitely carrying me here . Anyways, my personal opinion, I think it's best to go after people that have a possibility to be on a scumteam with SnB. If we can get rid of one scumteam, then the KP goes down. Reading through the filters, I think the strongest disconnect with SnB is probably Palmer. For this reason, even though Palmer might be a good lynch candidate, I wouldn't vote him myself just because I want to get rid of SnB's scumteam first. After a quick analysis, I don't think that there's much of a chance that VA and FT are on the same scumteam, and Palmer and FT are on the same scumteam either. There's a weak disconnect between VA and palmer, but that can go either way. So using the four people - VA, SnB, FT, and Palm, I will try to see if I can map out their alliance. Scenario A Scumteam: SnB, VA FT and Palmer cannot occupy third spot, and they are also disconnected, so one must be other scumteam, one must be town Scenario B Scumteam: SnB, FT VA and Palmer cannot occupy third spot. They can both be other scumteam, or one of the is scum, one is town. Among the three people VA, FT, and Palmer, here's the information that we will get from lynching them: VA - If he flips scum with SnB, then either FT or Palmer must be town. If he flips opposite scum, then FT is likely scum, or else both FT and Palmer are town. If he flips town, then FT and Palmer can be scum on opposite teams, or one is scum, one is town. FT - If he flips scum with SnB, then out of VA and palmer, one or both is on the other scumteam. If he flips other scumteam, then, Palmer is town, and VA is can either be town or scum with SnB, more likely scum with SnB. If he flips town, then we don't know much about Palmer and VA. Palmer - I don't want to lynch him, but if he flips other scumteam, then it doesn't say much about VA and FT, and if he flips town, it doesn't say much either. There's also solstice, which some people are pushing to vote. I think the only disconnect that can even be drawn with him is with Palmer, but it's not a very strong one. I also doubt he's gonna be lynched today, so there isn't much of a point trying to piece him in. I will do that tomorrow.
Right now, I think I'm gonna put my vote on FT since there isn't that big a benefit lynching VA over him, and plus, I wanna save Palmer.##Vote: FirmTofu Scum with Palmsy?? LOL! He votes Vayne / FT multiple times but never Palmar in any case ever in life. CR's posts are really constructed and fluent... kind of like town -should- be playing but don't.. kind of reeks of 'i wanna look townie'.... Have a few reservations, but def not a townread anymore.
Cheese.
You blatantly states 'I wanna save Palmar.'
Do you think a member for the Palmar/SnB scumteam would announce that to the thread?
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You = He blatantly states
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I was thinking and it's not so bad anyway because the townies all have vests that they could be using, mitigating some of that. Yeah, I think tomorrow we should just aim for the most sure scum and not worry about removing a KP necessarily.
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Do you think that Bag of Weed costs 1KP or 0.5KP?
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CC i think your post on oats is a little shabby and opportunistic. There are BOATLOADS of palmar mentions in Oat's D1. He's actively forcing people to take stances on Palmar.
Like, you pull out a million Oats mentions Palmar bits, but you don't DO anything with them. Are you saying that Oats is mafia and on Palmar's mafia team? Because if you don't think that, then Oats mentioning Palmar a bunch doesn't really DO anything at all.
And if you think he's on Palmar's team...that's a LOT of associating. Don't buy it.
I think you look a bit scummier for the post on Oats, but then you go and poke at Ray who I would have on your team. Is curious.
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Yeah.
I won't be using my vest on the off chance scum want to make tomorrow easier for you.
It would certainly speak to you of their confidence level if so.
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I feel good. I've slept, I've read half the thread, and when I get back later I'm gonna read the rest of the thread, and I think we can find a scum tomorrow.
We better, or I'm lynching YOU Wave.
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On October 06 2013 00:24 austinmcc wrote:
CC i think your post on oats is a little shabby and opportunistic. There are BOATLOADS of palmar mentions in Oat's D1. He's actively forcing people to take stances on Palmar.
Like, you pull out a million Oats mentions Palmar bits, but you don't DO anything with them. Are you saying that Oats is mafia and on Palmar's mafia team? Because if you don't think that, then Oats mentioning Palmar a bunch doesn't really DO anything at all.
And if you think he's on Palmar's team...that's a LOT of associating. Don't buy it.
I think you look a bit scummier for the post on Oats, but then you go and poke at Ray who I would have on your team. Is curious.
It's obvious the association I was making. Oats was trying to get people to have a townread on Palmar day 1.. just LOOK AT IT. Why are you guys voting Palmar? Why do you have a scumread on Palmar? He seems town.
And then he votes Palmar D3, but then says "I'll vote ANYONE at this point" then goes and votes FT, and says palmar is totally town again.
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I'll only take that as half a threat, since you didn't say 'you'd better find scum.'
Even though I have, and it's Oats.
There should be no question at all about it with him, honestly. What are your thoughts regarding him?
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Cheese answer my questionssssssss
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On September 24 2013 08:32 Pandain wrote:I'll be back later tonight. In case I (somehow) get shot before I come back, here is my last good read(and advice). Emotion makes people townsBasically read any analysis. Scum are the ones who are inherently afraid to post, while town doesn't have that limitation. Because of this, any scum post, unless they're on the verge of being lynched(or a scum mate is), is going to be forced post rather than a genuine one. I think it's very hard to fake an emotion resulting from feeling bad this game. Mafia you don't even really feel bad, because you have a team to rest it on. You weren't playing bad, you were playing "well", simply as mafia. They didn't know. But if you're town and others criticize you, that hurts. Gertript is known for pulling off crazy tricks. Or at least, he did it in Aperture. Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:41 geript wrote:On September 24 2013 01:26 Mocsta wrote:Geript, mav/me still waiting. I really wonder where the Geript I nk'd night1 in his first TL game disappeared to. I miss that guy R.I.P I'm as good as how much time I put in. Just is what it is. IDK like I really don't feel great about my reads as I was pre-aperature. That said, everyone else who played and voted for me in aperature and was town were idiotic. I'm just not feeling this game and I think a large majority of scum are inactive. This post is too genuine for me. First, scum don't say they don't feel the game as an excuse. Actually to be fair they definitely can, but I have never seen a scum use an excuse like that. Because scum actually do feel for the game, it is hard to post posts which go against directly what you believe. To clarify further, being interested in the game(having a feel for it), and being interested in solving it are the two distinctions between emotion in mafia. Is this clear? Gertrip if you're reading this, I know how you feel. I felt exactly the same way in a weird Caller Japenese themed game. I was sure that Ace was scum but no one believed me. Eventually I was convinced I had no idea what to believe. And I hated it because I was confused. Keep at it man, and look at Palmar. He improved so much despite people constantly shit-talking him. Don't give up, and look at other people besides DP. I don't think shooting him is a good idea, even if you think he's mafia, because he is so strong later on.
On October 05 2013 08:42 Pandain wrote:
me?
you literally think I'm mafia?
The only guy trying to stave a lynch off a townie and lynch decondou/stutters?
On October 04 2013 22:25 Pandain wrote:
No because FT is the guy that would flip town
I was going to make this a lot more convincing but I don't really have the time so I don't care if anyone thinks this dumb I need to put it here. These are taken directly from Noire. He has a 19 page filter there and multiple massive posts where he goes post by post and tries to make something scummy out of nothing in there. His massive case DOES NOT MAKE HIM TOWN, IN FACT IT MAKES HIM SCUMMY AS SHIT.
Compare this to golden sun his town play
- He addresses multiple people in his posts and views the game as a whole
- Is not concerned as much with his appearance since he knows he is town, here he is constantly asking people why people don't have townreads on him when he's "so townie"
His tunneling is incriminating, not townie.
Wanted to make this more convincing but just needed to get that out there for now
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Nobody has even talked about Chairman Ray this game. Talk about him.
I don't think an experienced player would say " I wanna save Palmar " if he's on his team. CR is a noob. Akin to a scumslip perhaps. I just feel his posting in general is constructed like I played my first scumgame.
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