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On October 07 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well it seems like you have issues with his playstyle, cause from what I know, He does the same thing every game.
I would say thats a mischaracterization. in Koshi's town games he has been fully capable of making reads, explaining them, and pushing them when he's being listened to. Here he is a claimed cop with everyone's ear and doesn't seem particularly interested in doing anything with it.
What do you think of how he explained the weird inconsistencies in his treatment of Vayne that austin pointed out?
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On October 06 2013 13:31 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 13:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Austin are you considering he is the real cop -.- Also, yes. I'm considering it. I had a scumread on koshi earlier. I specifically noted that his play after soft-claiming was odd for cop. His play after hard-claiming hasn't really looked more cop-ish. And today, he made some WEIRD posts that caught my eye but I dismissed: Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 05:37 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is why that was a horrible shot koshi. I expected better tbh! I did it all for you. You said Oats was last banger D: I shot oats cuz VA said he was MCB Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 05:53 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh ok. then I guess the question is do you get notified if RB'd I did the action. I wasnt RB. It is interesting that you know bulletproof vest costs 0,5 kp VA. The KP comment is basically a "maybe you're scum for knowing the cost of scum items" Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 06:08 Koshi wrote:
Still sad that I didnt get last banger.
##vote: Pandain
You sure about your pandain read VA? 48 hours.to convince us all.
I trust rayn to be right.as.well anyway.
But right after being unsure, asks VA if he's sure on pandain and is voting pandain Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 06:37 Koshi wrote:
I am sad VA doesnt love me for shooting his scumread.
But yeah, dnu what is up with VA atm. Now back to doesn't know whassup. Despite just asking if he's sure about his read. Who cares if VA is sure on his read if Koshi doesn't know how to read VA right now? Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 06:59 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Koshi can you explain to me succinctly why you think VA is town? Because he pretends to have figured out the game or be close to figure out since the start of the game. While he hasn't. I assocciate this behaviour with town vayne. There are more thingies like that. I am like on 65% town. Need to lynch Pandain if he doesnt play the day 4 of his life. When asked why VA is town, Koshi gives reasons he thinks VA is town. Then says he's 65% on VA = town. ALSO SAYS THAT VA IS TOWN BECAUSE VA THINKS HE HAS FIGURED OUT THE GAME BUT REALLY HASN'T. YET IS STILL ASKING VA WHETHER VA TRUSTS HIS READ. IF VA TRUSTS HIS READ ON PANDAIN AND KOSHI THINKS VA IS TOWN BECAUSE HE THINKS HE KNOWS SHIZ BUT HE DON'T KNOW SHIZ THEN KOSHI SHOULDN'T BE VOTING PANDAIN. Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 07:56 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 07:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 06 2013 07:46 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 07:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 06 2013 07:41 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 01:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
and wave is actually doing shit so I feel pretty good where im at
oats and pandain/s0lstice/austin hu3hu3 On October 06 2013 01:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
if anything im going to be pressure voting CR tomorrow. fuck this lurking shit when i dont know anything about the guy CR wasn't even in your scumteams. Then you say you're going to pressure vote him. On D4. When you have scum suspects. Then oats is confirmed town when D4 starts. So now you KNOW your scumreads are wrong, you need MORE scum, a guy you thought was townie before IS scum, and what do you do? You vote pandain. You don't actually care about voting CR. Or pressuring him. You don't pressure him, you don't maybe slot him into the place where oats was, you just go with pandain. Cuz he's maybe mislynchable. And this, in the face of people hopping on Oats yesterday: On October 06 2013 07:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it isn't obvious I am the mislynch of choice as I predicted yesterday. which is why people started gravitating towards me yesterday. Anyone that votes for me is essentially claiming scum. Is sillypants. IF by some miracle you're town: (1) Oats was clearly being set up as the mislynch of choice (2) LOOK AT THE VOTES. It's 2 for CR, 2 for Pandain, 1 for you. Do tell, how does that make you the "obvious mislynch for today"? you're bad if you are town again, reminds me of nuclear. You always try to make town lose for whatever reason How are you the mislynch of choice? You're not being lynched. You're in third place. Do you DISAGREE that oats was being set up as a mislynch? yes I do. once CR spoke up about me only then is when pandain started hard pushing me, so it was either pre meditated or scum team is abusing a newbie which is pretty despicable. From yesterday I was going to have CR vote, pandain vote, VE vote, potentially your vote it looks like? and WoS could easily just say "YES POLICY LYNCH TIME" that's already 5 votes. It was going to be Oats over you tbh. You might have been wagon 2 together with Padain. I was paying attention on who was the prime lynch candidate. I need to revisit the argumens made early night one about either WoS or Oats being last banger. But too tired atm. He shot the dude's scumread. Isn't super sure how to read him. etc. etc. But VA might have been a #2 lynch the next day. Maybe.
His response:
On October 07 2013 03:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 13:31 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 13:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Austin are you considering he is the real cop -.- Also, yes. I'm considering it. I had a scumread on koshi earlier. I specifically noted that his play after soft-claiming was odd for cop. His play after hard-claiming hasn't really looked more cop-ish. And today, he made some WEIRD posts that caught my eye but I dismissed: On October 06 2013 05:37 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is why that was a horrible shot koshi. I expected better tbh! I did it all for you. You said Oats was last banger D: I shot oats cuz VA said he was MCB On October 06 2013 05:53 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh ok. then I guess the question is do you get notified if RB'd I did the action. I wasnt RB. It is interesting that you know bulletproof vest costs 0,5 kp VA. The KP comment is basically a "maybe you're scum for knowing the cost of scum items" On October 06 2013 06:08 Koshi wrote:
Still sad that I didnt get last banger.
##vote: Pandain
You sure about your pandain read VA? 48 hours.to convince us all.
I trust rayn to be right.as.well anyway.
But right after being unsure, asks VA if he's sure on pandain and is voting pandain On October 06 2013 06:37 Koshi wrote:
I am sad VA doesnt love me for shooting his scumread.
But yeah, dnu what is up with VA atm. Now back to doesn't know whassup. Despite just asking if he's sure about his read. Who cares if VA is sure on his read if Koshi doesn't know how to read VA right now? On October 06 2013 06:59 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Koshi can you explain to me succinctly why you think VA is town? Because he pretends to have figured out the game or be close to figure out since the start of the game. While he hasn't. I assocciate this behaviour with town vayne. There are more thingies like that. I am like on 65% town. Need to lynch Pandain if he doesnt play the day 4 of his life. When asked why VA is town, Koshi gives reasons he thinks VA is town. Then says he's 65% on VA = town. ALSO SAYS THAT VA IS TOWN BECAUSE VA THINKS HE HAS FIGURED OUT THE GAME BUT REALLY HASN'T. YET IS STILL ASKING VA WHETHER VA TRUSTS HIS READ. IF VA TRUSTS HIS READ ON PANDAIN AND KOSHI THINKS VA IS TOWN BECAUSE HE THINKS HE KNOWS SHIZ BUT HE DON'T KNOW SHIZ THEN KOSHI SHOULDN'T BE VOTING PANDAIN. On October 06 2013 07:56 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 07:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 06 2013 07:46 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 07:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 06 2013 07:41 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 01:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
and wave is actually doing shit so I feel pretty good where im at
oats and pandain/s0lstice/austin hu3hu3 On October 06 2013 01:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
if anything im going to be pressure voting CR tomorrow. fuck this lurking shit when i dont know anything about the guy CR wasn't even in your scumteams. Then you say you're going to pressure vote him. On D4. When you have scum suspects. Then oats is confirmed town when D4 starts. So now you KNOW your scumreads are wrong, you need MORE scum, a guy you thought was townie before IS scum, and what do you do? You vote pandain. You don't actually care about voting CR. Or pressuring him. You don't pressure him, you don't maybe slot him into the place where oats was, you just go with pandain. Cuz he's maybe mislynchable. And this, in the face of people hopping on Oats yesterday: On October 06 2013 07:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it isn't obvious I am the mislynch of choice as I predicted yesterday. which is why people started gravitating towards me yesterday. Anyone that votes for me is essentially claiming scum. Is sillypants. IF by some miracle you're town: (1) Oats was clearly being set up as the mislynch of choice (2) LOOK AT THE VOTES. It's 2 for CR, 2 for Pandain, 1 for you. Do tell, how does that make you the "obvious mislynch for today"? you're bad if you are town again, reminds me of nuclear. You always try to make town lose for whatever reason How are you the mislynch of choice? You're not being lynched. You're in third place. Do you DISAGREE that oats was being set up as a mislynch? yes I do. once CR spoke up about me only then is when pandain started hard pushing me, so it was either pre meditated or scum team is abusing a newbie which is pretty despicable. From yesterday I was going to have CR vote, pandain vote, VE vote, potentially your vote it looks like? and WoS could easily just say "YES POLICY LYNCH TIME" that's already 5 votes. It was going to be Oats over you tbh. You might have been wagon 2 together with Padain. I was paying attention on who was the prime lynch candidate. I need to revisit the argumens made early night one about either WoS or Oats being last banger. But too tired atm. He shot the dude's scumread. Isn't super sure how to read him. etc. etc. But VA might have been a #2 lynch the next day. Maybe. This is how I post basically. It might be extra special because I think VA is a qtpie.
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On October 07 2013 11:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
s0l you never responded to that baby seal pic I sent you. IT WAS JUST FOR YOU
yea well you never responded to me asking you to provide, succinctly, the scum motivation for doing what I'm doing right now.
if i recall you were talking about it earlier and just ended up with FFFFUUUUUU
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On October 07 2013 11:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 11:46 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 11:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
s0l you never responded to that baby seal pic I sent you. IT WAS JUST FOR YOU yea well you never responded to me asking you to provide, succinctly, the scum motivation for doing what I'm doing right now. if i recall you were talking about it earlier and just ended up with FFFFUUUUUU I can't figure out the scum motive. They were all bad / dumb. Fortunately, I know that scum can be dumb / bad
Bolded is the operative phrase. I have SOME motivation as required by the laws of the universe. If there's no scum motivation, then that leaves....
Also, I like how you leave out the possibility of dumb town.
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On October 07 2013 11:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
s0l I'll admit you could be cop but I had a scumread on you and and and... epeen must grow, I must be right early.
no. if you are town this is not good enough. this is a vayne comment.
you DO realize that the improper lynch today really fucks town bad right? is your epeen more important than that?
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and lets hear more about this scumread you had on me, while you're at it.
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On October 07 2013 11:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Like, I had a koshi townread most of the game and it makes sense! Both claims make valid enough sense that gut > anything.
What was the scum koshi motive to claiming btw s0l
The very worst scenario for scum koshi claiming is that he outs a cop and trades 1 for 1. It is possible they felt this was a worthy trade. I really dunno. There was also the potential that the cop could assume, like I did, that it was a move to protect the real cop. It can then be carried on for maximum damage, and at the end of the day, the cop is still outed and traded.
It's really not that crazy. Not any crazier than me being cop anyway.
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this is an atypical set-up. two scum teams in a mini. some crazy shit was bound to go down.
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On October 07 2013 12:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I just hope we lynch the correct guy. If S0lstice is real cop and is lynched, we're pretty fucked.
You are, at this moment, on the fast track to being fucked if you're town.
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I think you guys can still win after I die but it's gonna take some luck.
6-3-1. VE hit last night means one scum team didn't use drive by. With no deaths at all and no other hit claims, 3KP possible tonight seems likely.
VE is a goner, but if we are lucky he will get double stacked as the scumteams WIFOM themselves over the shot. Conversely, he may not even get shot at all (yay bystander effect). There are possibilities for vests too. Basically, there are chances to go into tomorrow at 6-3-1, 5-3-1, 4-3-1, or 3-3-1. 4-3-1 and 3-3-1 are probably game over for town, but 6-3-1 and 5-3-1 are definitely workable.
please please PLEASE after my flip revisit the permutations of Koshi/Rayn/Oats. There were several people who approached this claim scenario with an extremely closed mind, and thats a good place to look for the last MCB. In their position, it doesn't matter whether the dude is cop or opposite scumteam, lynching him in a win.
I'll try to give more throughout the work day but itll be sporadic.
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On October 07 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Good job giving thoughts on the only people who will be confirmed town when you flip scum. :D
How about you tell us who is scum from outside me/Oats/Koshi?
I am certain you and Oats are scum. You shouldn't be surprised.
The 4th I'm convinced has to be either Pandain or austin.
Pandain was uniquely closed-minded in his approach to 'figuring out' the cop claims. Like there was so little doubt, it was pretty obvious that which side he was on didn't matter much to him. Makes a lot of sense from an MCB perspective. There are two conflicting ideas here. Austin's point about Pandain's vote on Palmar is a point in Pandain's favor in terms of them not being linked. However, the cop claim approach and something I've revisited several times now counters it (his crazy tunnel of Vayne when Palmar ended up dying). Simplifying it...I have to think that was an effort to save Palmar. So in the end, really not that bad of a candidate.
Austin could also be scum. His story fits pretty well for MCB. the BEST possible scenario for the austin MCB in this situation would be to keep both me AND Koshi alive, and lynch some other DRB. He already has one guaranteed DRB in me/Koshi, and if he can lynch another before dealing with that pair, suddenly his chances of winning are no longer hopeless.
Mr. CC just looks plain scummy. I've talked about him a lot it's in my filter. But...the arrangements where he fits into either DRB or MCB are pretty awkward (see: austins analysis). I'm pretty conflicted. I'm also so strongly in-bed with him after that PM bullshit that I'm not sure I'm ever going to figure it out. If austin and pandain are town though, he is def scum.
The other guy people have been talking about is CR. Dude is probably town and lynching him is a mistake. He has several times this game made useful and thought provoking contributions under ZERO pressure, and has been even keel in this behavior. I don't care about the errors in his long posts, it doesn't diminish the underlying notion of him having a real interest in solving this game. Really think town.
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On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote:
S0lstice.
You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies?
Why CC?
At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone.
...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth.
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On October 08 2013 00:13 Pandain wrote:
( another) nail in coffin is that S0lstice still doesn't accuse CC or tell us why he thought CC was 99% scum.
Mind sharing S0l?
I thought he was scum ever since I saw his pressure vote/reaction test on Oats. Read my filter.
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On October 08 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch.
 Like..... Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO Except Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good.
from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well.
hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here).
Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got.
There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight. Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 01:09 s0Lstice wrote:
like I said earlier I did get up to page 40 or so. still don't like the FT lynch. didn't see anything in his filter that screamed scum to me.
from what I saw I would like to lynch hiro Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote:
@austin: tell me how I express guilt, specifically as it retains to an internet forum. you must know as it's important to your read on me.
##vote hiro protagonist
All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all
Which do you think put more effective, convincing distance between the two players involved?
Was I putting hiro in danger? Would ANYBODY think that he and I were linked after my early actions? Exactly.
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there is no way I'm not dying today.
I'm pretty sure 4 scum votes will be on me, which means I can only have a max of ONE townie on me and not get lynched over a potential candidate with 6. I think I have that right.
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On October 08 2013 00:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote:
S0lstice.
You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies?
Why CC? At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone. ...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth. tldr: On N3 you still thought I was town?
No, maybe you shouldn't tldr it.
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On October 08 2013 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:37 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:32 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:29 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote:
S0lstice.
You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies?
Why CC? At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone. ...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth. tldr: On N3 you still thought I was town? No, maybe you shouldn't tldr it. I just don't understand you. Like, if I was scum I was always on the 3 man team (you confirmed this earlier). So if you are a cop, why not contact me, why contact CC? Because it seems you were certain about both me and CC? And we are in the same scumteam, and you knew rayn was in our team. Why not simple shoot me, and then say: "oh hi guis, I am cop, Koshi obviously isn't, his teammates are 100% CC and 85% rayn". That would actually make sense if you were a cop. This is a pretty good point, and it comes back to exactly what 'beeg plays' exactly was Solstice trying to make? Stuff like this is where the claim breaks down , because while he was able to defend himself pretty well, the motivation on a lot of his 'cop' actions make even less sense than the scum ones. More like this, Koshi.
I wish I could let you inside of my head at the time, but what I did with my actions really seemed like the smartest course. The one thing I thought I could hang my hat on was the scumread on Mr. CC. Everything else was mixed up or convoluted by what Koshi was doing. I had constantly evolving opinions on that blackhole but one thing I felt really good enough to act on was Mr. CC...and as a bonus I could maybe clear up the mindfuck that was Koshi.
A lot of the problems people have seem to reduce to this. Motivations for any possible scenario are bogus by typical standards, so they go back to what is wisest and most prudent for generic cop man to do in the situation and I don't match. I can see why, but its a mistake
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and just for the record, if we all agree that im not MCB then WHY THE FUCK AM I STILL HERE. IM BASICALLY DEAD.
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On October 08 2013 00:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:46 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 00:37 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:32 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:29 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote:
S0lstice.
You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies?
Why CC? At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone. ...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth. tldr: On N3 you still thought I was town? No, maybe you shouldn't tldr it. I just don't understand you. Like, if I was scum I was always on the 3 man team (you confirmed this earlier). So if you are a cop, why not contact me, why contact CC? Because it seems you were certain about both me and CC? And we are in the same scumteam, and you knew rayn was in our team. Why not simple shoot me, and then say: "oh hi guis, I am cop, Koshi obviously isn't, his teammates are 100% CC and 85% rayn". That would actually make sense if you were a cop. This is a pretty good point, and it comes back to exactly what 'beeg plays' exactly was Solstice trying to make? Stuff like this is where the claim breaks down , because while he was able to defend himself pretty well, the motivation on a lot of his 'cop' actions make even less sense than the scum ones. More like this, Koshi. I wish I could let you inside of my head at the time, but what I did with my actions really seemed like the smartest course. The one thing I thought I could hang my hat on was the scumread on Mr. CC. Everything else was mixed up or convoluted by what Koshi was doing. I had constantly evolving opinions on that blackhole but one thing I felt really good enough to act on was Mr. CC...and as a bonus I could maybe clear up the mindfuck that was Koshi. A lot of the problems people have seem to reduce to this. Motivations for any possible scenario are bogus by typical standards, so they go back to what is wisest and most prudent for generic cop man to do in the situation and I don't match. I can see why, but its a mistake Except here's the issue Solstice, using your mindset as an example doesn't work because making a mistake doesn't make you town. if you're scum you clearly made a mistake too.
No, my claim is being ruled out based on the criteria I described. If this criteria is invalid, what is left to be wrong with my claim? Do you see what I'm saying?
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