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On October 07 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, it's the only thing you could claim after fucked up powerplay on CC.
...and then on the fly I answered every question without fail or error and didnt shy away from the pressure? please rayn. the play failed, but what came after was full unadulterated disclosure.
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On October 07 2013 02:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 02:34 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 02:29 Koshi wrote:
The only thing I dont get is why s0lstice ever thought this would work. Like cc is town now or the other scumteam are honest and respectful mafia players. This means the pool of possible scummers get really small. I am almost feeling WoS&Austin same scumteam but that is really crazy.
Like you need 6 votes on me s0lstice. How was that ever going to work unless you had the entirr other scumteam working with you. Like why not try and yet cc lynched... It makes me think you.put all eggs in CC basket and then went full funzies for your last day. But then again, you would get lynched after me. So is this not against your wincon??? You dont win when I am lynched. You just make the other scumteam win...
So yeah. You play vs own wincon or.scumteams are teamed up atm.
Probably last...
I like when scumbags make my argument for me. There's a reason it's hard to find the scum motivation for this. Just humor me and tell me why you do this as scum. As completely illogical as it is. You are last banger and you try to lynch the real cop. How is this going to help your wincon? You agree there is no way?
There wouldn't be much motivation for me to do it as the last banger. There is no scenario where it isn't suicide basically that I can see off-hand. That would mean if I am scum, it's gotta be the 3-man team. Even there, like I wasn't in a terrible spot. People suspected me but I don't think I was in any real danger. It doesn't even depend on how much control scum think they have on the game. In the end, if I am lying, I'm dead anyway so it's a one-for-one trade. So either scum feels fucked and they decide to do a bogus cop claim to....what end exactly? A TON would still have to go right for them to have a path to win. The cop would have to get lynched (unlikely), then the other team would need to cooperate (I think? need to look at numbers again) and they would need to miss vests. Or scum feels good and they decide to do an inefficient 1 for 1 trade despite feeling in control?
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Now you need to be talking about that Vayne garbage, Koshi.
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hmm thats interesting austin.
could BH have been hit by both teams on the same night while he vested?
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On October 07 2013 03:07 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 03:05 austinmcc wrote:On October 07 2013 03:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea that explains your complete 180 on s0lstice, no wait it doesnt Yup. No way am I reading the game and making reads based on what people post, which sometimes involves changing reads. Couldn't be. yea just like your read changed after I destroyed pandain, no wait it didn't you're just full of bs this entire game. if anything s0lstice said actually convinced you you are delusional. any non idiot counteclaims that immediately
here's the problem with your view. in your view I could potentially be an idiot and not scum. So, you could basically just be idiot lynching right now instead of lynching the not-cop.
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On October 07 2013 03:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 02:38 austinmcc wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Koshi
I am NOT certain that we should be lynching into these two, rather than having Koshi precision shot solstice tonight. If we could know that cop stuff wasn't going to dominate the discussion forever, I like that idea. But this is in front of us and I don't think everyone will be able to get past it if we don't lynch into them today.
What are you doing
Tell me why you are so sure I am not the cop. Go.
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On October 07 2013 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 03:29 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 03:25 Pandain wrote:On October 07 2013 02:38 austinmcc wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Koshi
I am NOT certain that we should be lynching into these two, rather than having Koshi precision shot solstice tonight. If we could know that cop stuff wasn't going to dominate the discussion forever, I like that idea. But this is in front of us and I don't think everyone will be able to get past it if we don't lynch into them today.
What are you doing Tell me why you are so sure I am not the cop. Go. I'm more inclined to believe Koshi because he provided, unsolicited, info on how the cop role works. Info that your version of the story is based on unless I'm mistaken. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that you let Koshi go on confirming townies while you were in the background knowing he's a liar regardless of his alignment, claiming scum to CC "to find scum". It's a hard, bitter pill you're expecting townies who are actually reading and thinking about the game to take.
In the scenario where Koshi is lying, his info was going to come from the OP, which is obviously where my role PM is coming from. He can provide info because it's not outside his reach to do so unsolicited. It wouldn't even be hard.
As far as letting him go, look at the evolution of events. When I set my mind that he was town and doing this to protect me, he got a lot of rope from me. I started to get nervous when I sat back and realized just how much he was fucking off.
I don't see how walkie-talkie with CC must be exclusive with my growing thinking that Koshi was scum and not town. How do I approach it? If I can get CC to maybe implicate him outside of the issue itself, then that would have made this whole process easier. I just didn't really see a different way to act that directly dealt with Koshi, and the end result is this painful counter-claim
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On October 07 2013 03:31 Pandain wrote:
Because you would have done more and done more beforehand and not try and pull off crazy shenanigans which if your wrong puts a cop at danger if you see someone claim cop.
Can you clarify this? I'm not understanding.
Also, can you talk about the scumread you had on me before this happened?
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On October 07 2013 03:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 13:31 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 13:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Austin are you considering he is the real cop -.- Also, yes. I'm considering it. I had a scumread on koshi earlier. I specifically noted that his play after soft-claiming was odd for cop. His play after hard-claiming hasn't really looked more cop-ish. And today, he made some WEIRD posts that caught my eye but I dismissed: On October 06 2013 05:37 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is why that was a horrible shot koshi. I expected better tbh! I did it all for you. You said Oats was last banger D: I shot oats cuz VA said he was MCB On October 06 2013 05:53 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh ok. then I guess the question is do you get notified if RB'd I did the action. I wasnt RB. It is interesting that you know bulletproof vest costs 0,5 kp VA. The KP comment is basically a "maybe you're scum for knowing the cost of scum items" On October 06 2013 06:08 Koshi wrote:
Still sad that I didnt get last banger.
##vote: Pandain
You sure about your pandain read VA? 48 hours.to convince us all.
I trust rayn to be right.as.well anyway.
But right after being unsure, asks VA if he's sure on pandain and is voting pandain On October 06 2013 06:37 Koshi wrote:
I am sad VA doesnt love me for shooting his scumread.
But yeah, dnu what is up with VA atm. Now back to doesn't know whassup. Despite just asking if he's sure about his read. Who cares if VA is sure on his read if Koshi doesn't know how to read VA right now? On October 06 2013 06:59 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Koshi can you explain to me succinctly why you think VA is town? Because he pretends to have figured out the game or be close to figure out since the start of the game. While he hasn't. I assocciate this behaviour with town vayne. There are more thingies like that. I am like on 65% town. Need to lynch Pandain if he doesnt play the day 4 of his life. When asked why VA is town, Koshi gives reasons he thinks VA is town. Then says he's 65% on VA = town. ALSO SAYS THAT VA IS TOWN BECAUSE VA THINKS HE HAS FIGURED OUT THE GAME BUT REALLY HASN'T. YET IS STILL ASKING VA WHETHER VA TRUSTS HIS READ. IF VA TRUSTS HIS READ ON PANDAIN AND KOSHI THINKS VA IS TOWN BECAUSE HE THINKS HE KNOWS SHIZ BUT HE DON'T KNOW SHIZ THEN KOSHI SHOULDN'T BE VOTING PANDAIN. On October 06 2013 07:56 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 07:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 06 2013 07:46 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 07:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 06 2013 07:41 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 01:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
and wave is actually doing shit so I feel pretty good where im at
oats and pandain/s0lstice/austin hu3hu3 On October 06 2013 01:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
if anything im going to be pressure voting CR tomorrow. fuck this lurking shit when i dont know anything about the guy CR wasn't even in your scumteams. Then you say you're going to pressure vote him. On D4. When you have scum suspects. Then oats is confirmed town when D4 starts. So now you KNOW your scumreads are wrong, you need MORE scum, a guy you thought was townie before IS scum, and what do you do? You vote pandain. You don't actually care about voting CR. Or pressuring him. You don't pressure him, you don't maybe slot him into the place where oats was, you just go with pandain. Cuz he's maybe mislynchable. And this, in the face of people hopping on Oats yesterday: On October 06 2013 07:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it isn't obvious I am the mislynch of choice as I predicted yesterday. which is why people started gravitating towards me yesterday. Anyone that votes for me is essentially claiming scum. Is sillypants. IF by some miracle you're town: (1) Oats was clearly being set up as the mislynch of choice (2) LOOK AT THE VOTES. It's 2 for CR, 2 for Pandain, 1 for you. Do tell, how does that make you the "obvious mislynch for today"? you're bad if you are town again, reminds me of nuclear. You always try to make town lose for whatever reason How are you the mislynch of choice? You're not being lynched. You're in third place. Do you DISAGREE that oats was being set up as a mislynch? yes I do. once CR spoke up about me only then is when pandain started hard pushing me, so it was either pre meditated or scum team is abusing a newbie which is pretty despicable. From yesterday I was going to have CR vote, pandain vote, VE vote, potentially your vote it looks like? and WoS could easily just say "YES POLICY LYNCH TIME" that's already 5 votes. It was going to be Oats over you tbh. You might have been wagon 2 together with Padain. I was paying attention on who was the prime lynch candidate. I need to revisit the argumens made early night one about either WoS or Oats being last banger. But too tired atm. He shot the dude's scumread. Isn't super sure how to read him. etc. etc. But VA might have been a #2 lynch the next day. Maybe. This is how I post basically. It might be extra special because I think VA is a qtpie.
I can't believe, can NOT believe you guys are okay with this explanation. How are we not lynching him. He has not been trying to figure out this game. It's living on a pretense. He didn't really read people before and he's really not doing it now.
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On October 07 2013 03:46 Pandain wrote:
You weren't contributing a lot and contributions were bad.
Like where is this Solstice on days 1-3?
Only reason you post now is because your about to die
Talk to me about how your characterization makes a clear distinction between blue and scum.
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and did everyone miss how he clarified how both him and hiro shot someone on N1?
do I need to go back and quote it again?
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On October 07 2013 03:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 03:50 s0Lstice wrote:
and did everyone miss how he clarified how both him and hiro shot someone on N1?
do I need to go back and quote it again? Please. I'm having a hard time keeping up.
On October 07 2013 00:42 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 00:40 Koshi wrote:On October 07 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
What did you do n1 koshi? Precision shot a dude right? Yes. Me grack and hiro VE. You both precision shotted?
On October 07 2013 00:44 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 06:50 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 06:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 06 2013 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 06:33 s0Lstice wrote:
whats this with vayne now austin?
maybe im being dumb but I'm not seeing how what he's saying is more scum than crazy As I see things, sacrificing KP to vest oneself is silly. Read the posts, but tl;dr is: VA says Oats is a "prime bulletproof target", that the shot was bad, and that scumOats would have bulletproofed Koshi said he had no shot. Right until the last minute, it was POSSIBLE he was being tricksy but seemed unlikely given how open he's been about his actions. GODDAMN I CANNOT TL;DR TO SAVE MY LIFE So the only shots that mafia would be EXPECTING are from scum (1) If oats is on the three-man team...WHY DOES THE ONE MAN TEAM SHOOT HIM? There are confirmed townies. There's the chance to get a drive-by the next night. Oats is a possible mislynch. WHY WOULD THE ONE DUDE SHOOT OATS? Makes no sense. (2) If oats is on the one-man team...WHY DOES THE THREE MAN TEAM SHOOT OATS? Same thing. Confirmed townies. Drive-by option. GREAT MISLYNCH. WHY SHOOT OATS? Fact is, nobody thought Koshi had a shot. It was a paranoid thought, perhaps, for those of us super paranoid, but never even DISCUSSED or HINTED AT. So the only shots expected last night were mafia. And VA is suggesting that MAFIA OATS would have been a great target for a MAFIA SHOT, so much so that OATS WOULD HAVE BULLETPROOFED JUST IN CASE, SACCING KP TO DO SO. Mafia, of either team, have NO INCENTIVE TO SHOOT TOWN OATS. HE IS A GREAT MISLYNCH. HE'S CLEARLY BEING SET UP YESTERDAY. MAFIA WOULD NOT SHOOT OATS EVARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. I already answered this. If you actually thought koshi didn't have a shot you don't know how to setup speculate. I have already addressed earlier that the "loose cannon" cop would have lethal force and the "good" cop would have precision shot. makes perfect sense. You just look scummy with this shit. Good cop: PS Ambulance x2 Bad cop: Prius Lethal shot x2 Rest is for both. To easy your mind VA. Koshi I'd really like to hear more about how you shot grack and hiro shot VE.
On October 07 2013 00:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 00:44 s0Lstice wrote:On October 06 2013 06:50 Koshi wrote:On October 06 2013 06:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 06 2013 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 06:33 s0Lstice wrote:
whats this with vayne now austin?
maybe im being dumb but I'm not seeing how what he's saying is more scum than crazy As I see things, sacrificing KP to vest oneself is silly. Read the posts, but tl;dr is: VA says Oats is a "prime bulletproof target", that the shot was bad, and that scumOats would have bulletproofed Koshi said he had no shot. Right until the last minute, it was POSSIBLE he was being tricksy but seemed unlikely given how open he's been about his actions. GODDAMN I CANNOT TL;DR TO SAVE MY LIFE So the only shots that mafia would be EXPECTING are from scum (1) If oats is on the three-man team...WHY DOES THE ONE MAN TEAM SHOOT HIM? There are confirmed townies. There's the chance to get a drive-by the next night. Oats is a possible mislynch. WHY WOULD THE ONE DUDE SHOOT OATS? Makes no sense. (2) If oats is on the one-man team...WHY DOES THE THREE MAN TEAM SHOOT OATS? Same thing. Confirmed townies. Drive-by option. GREAT MISLYNCH. WHY SHOOT OATS? Fact is, nobody thought Koshi had a shot. It was a paranoid thought, perhaps, for those of us super paranoid, but never even DISCUSSED or HINTED AT. So the only shots expected last night were mafia. And VA is suggesting that MAFIA OATS would have been a great target for a MAFIA SHOT, so much so that OATS WOULD HAVE BULLETPROOFED JUST IN CASE, SACCING KP TO DO SO. Mafia, of either team, have NO INCENTIVE TO SHOOT TOWN OATS. HE IS A GREAT MISLYNCH. HE'S CLEARLY BEING SET UP YESTERDAY. MAFIA WOULD NOT SHOOT OATS EVARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. I already answered this. If you actually thought koshi didn't have a shot you don't know how to setup speculate. I have already addressed earlier that the "loose cannon" cop would have lethal force and the "good" cop would have precision shot. makes perfect sense. You just look scummy with this shit. Good cop: PS Ambulance x2 Bad cop: Prius Lethal shot x2 Rest is for both. To easy your mind VA. Koshi I'd really like to hear more about how you shot grack and hiro shot VE. ... prius ve you ******* ******
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On October 07 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Solstice you are nitpicking very much. It's like saying someone must be mafia because they want to "kill" people instead of "lynching". And you have not tried to figure this game out either. Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 03:49 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 03:46 Pandain wrote:
You weren't contributing a lot and contributions were bad.
Like where is this Solstice on days 1-3?
Only reason you post now is because your about to die Talk to me about how your characterization makes a clear distinction between blue and scum. Wtf is this bullshit?
I don't even know why I waste my breath with you. I certainly have tried to figure out this game.
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On October 07 2013 04:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 04:01 austinmcc wrote:On October 07 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Simple scenario is daaaa best The only thing I have trouble with now + Show Spoiler +(aside from why did a scum solstice bother doing this in the first place----probably impatience imo because I imagine it's ridiculously nerve-wracking when your survival is entirely out of your own hands---oh wait I know about that survivor lololol) is why was Koshi not shot? Is the explanation 'because he only soft-claimed and maybe scum didn't believe him and he didn't get shot the night after that 'cause he WIFOMed them into thinking he'd be busdriving?' Except that he got called out HARD for soft-claiming by multiple people before N2. I can understand scum maybe not believing him, but then it's "do we think scum want grack / hiro dead more than a townie who might be cop?"Like, even if they don't believe, if he's town he's town. At worst, they kill a townie, and they might get a cop if they believe. In townKoshi world, they took shots on grack and hiro rather than maybecop koshi. I already explained this. Makes more sense to shoot people who nobody was likely to protect or might have been 'other team scum.' Neither of them looked particularly good. The fact remains that the 'right' play here is to lynch solstice, regardless of the shitfest between them simply based on circumstance. I will admit solstice's arguments have been somewhat compelling in certain ways but given the way towns have been playing I really want to make the 'right' call here. If we are wrong and solstice was the cop then in my opinion it is more his fault than ours for trying to 'make plays' without having any idea what he was doing. And yeah, I'm well aware that's kind of a shitty attitude and absolving myself of responsibility if I AM wrong and Solstice just screwed up, but I know what the right call is in this scenario and I'm taking it.
WoS don't be doing this. This is driven in part by the 'oh fuck' moment if you lynch Koshi and it was me lying after all. You have to ignore the stakes, because it clouds judgement.
You keep saying that Koshi's side is the simpler one. That is not as clear as you are saying it is. Think back again on how ludicrous what is happening right now is if I am scum. There is no simple explanation here, both sides require some kind of craziness. Like I told you earlier, I think you know the right answer. This game makes a lot more sense with Koshi scum, Oats is back on the table etc. You MUST Be feeling the unease that something was not quite right and THIS IS THE ANSWER.
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On October 07 2013 04:23 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 04:05 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Solstice you are nitpicking very much. It's like saying someone must be mafia because they want to "kill" people instead of "lynching". And you have not tried to figure this game out either. On October 07 2013 03:49 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 03:46 Pandain wrote:
You weren't contributing a lot and contributions were bad.
Like where is this Solstice on days 1-3?
Only reason you post now is because your about to die Talk to me about how your characterization makes a clear distinction between blue and scum. Wtf is this bullshit? I don't even know why I waste my breath with you. I certainly have tried to figure out this game. You're wasting your breath because in your world you're a cop
Your confirmation bias is something else.
I've said Rayn is scum. Kill.
I'm starting to think you are scum too. You and Rayn have something in common with your approach to this claim.
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On October 07 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 04:26 Pandain wrote:On October 07 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn can you explain to me why you didn't bother playing the game until your butt buddy Koshi came under fire? I don't get your insinuation here. If you believe Koshi is town, that means Rayn is 100% town. I do. I'm just mad at Rayn for fucking off after he got confirmed.
thats because he is scum.
he fucked off as scum in GoT, fucked off as scum in Noire. rayn does this.
how do you imagine a confirmed town rayn should be acting?
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On October 07 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 04:50 Pandain wrote:
I have to go unfortunately but these were my reasons:
1. I had a town read on Koshi up until the s0lstice claim. I would have at least been suspicious of him, but he played exactly like a cop even denying that he's cop and then eventually acknowledging it.
2. He's been slowly confirming townies which is what a cop should do . Furthermore all his confirmations in VE, Rayn, and Oats(less on Oats) I have town reads on.
That logic makes sense if he's town. On the other side of the coin we have s0Lstice, who is letting a confirmed liar confirm people as town and letting town lynch based on these confirmations. In the name of some plan to claim scum, hoping that town believes him and doesn't lynch the shit out of him. This is not how I expect a cop to act. Ever.
Our night actions do not break the rules by which you are judging me. On my side of the coin, you and WoS are confirmed, except we also killed a scum s&b.
I've already explained the thought processes behind why I chose to act the way i did in regards to Koshi. He 'confirmed' you, and then Rayn and oats. I didn't know what I thought of rayn, but I certainly didn't like Oats. This contributed to the change in opinion. I knew that if he indeed was going to be a townie acting as a cop to protect me he'd have to be fabricating night actions. Put yourself in my shoes for a second.
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On October 07 2013 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 05:10 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 07 2013 04:50 Pandain wrote:
I have to go unfortunately but these were my reasons:
1. I had a town read on Koshi up until the s0lstice claim. I would have at least been suspicious of him, but he played exactly like a cop even denying that he's cop and then eventually acknowledging it.
2. He's been slowly confirming townies which is what a cop should do . Furthermore all his confirmations in VE, Rayn, and Oats(less on Oats) I have town reads on.
That logic makes sense if he's town. On the other side of the coin we have s0Lstice, who is letting a confirmed liar confirm people as town and letting town lynch based on these confirmations. In the name of some plan to claim scum, hoping that town believes him and doesn't lynch the shit out of him. This is not how I expect a cop to act. Ever. Our night actions do not break the rules by which you are judging me. On my side of the coin, you and WoS are confirmed, except we also killed a scum s&b. I've already explained the thought processes behind why I chose to act the way i did in regards to Koshi. He 'confirmed' you, and then Rayn and oats. I didn't know what I thought of rayn, but I certainly didn't like Oats. This contributed to the change in opinion. I knew that if he indeed was going to be a townie acting as a cop to protect me he'd have to be fabricating night actions. Put yourself in my shoes for a second. Oh s0L. Oh s0L. You have no idea. I've BEEN in your shoes. I've BEEN in crazy fucking claim situations like this before. Did I ever tell you about the time I was a detective and tried to convince town that one of my redchecks that flipped green was actually a DEATHMILLER? If you're town, I can assure you - no one understands the position you're in than me. But what you have to understand is that this all looks terribly suspect, and if you were actually the cop, this is something you would have HAD to factor in. The timing is suspicious, the circumstances are suspicious, EVERYTHING is suspicious about this. Surely you realize this.
Of course I realize it! Yet here I am fighting you. How ridiculous this is is a non-factor from my point of view because I. AM. RIGHT. I realize I set myself up to make this nearly impossible to tell the truth and have it look believable, but I'm gonna be climbing that mountain right up until lynch time because I owe it to the town to not just get frustrated and let you lynch the wrong guy.
Do not close your mind yet. Do not lay out a final decision. There is plenty of time.
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Like, VE, you have a problem with me acting how I did as cop. Being a cop is fucking difficult. The only other time I've been 'blue' is in PTP where everyone was at least a little blue, and I basically got lynched day 1 there. It's just not a skill I have (right now anyway). I'll remind you too that I have NEVER been lynched. The two times where I've been even really close is here and PTP, both of which are related to blueness. This isn't a coincidence. At least do me a favor and go read my lone scum game that I have on my record and compare. It's Basterd Mini Mafia.
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