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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:41 Koshi wrote: You should have picked another fake role provided by the hosts ##vote: Old Partner Why the dicks would hosts provide a survivor role to scum when there's already a survivor in the game? That would be like bastard host tier. Look, at least admit there's a CHANCE I am who I say I am. There is, isn't there? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:41 Umasi wrote: upon cursory glance at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Golden_Sun_characters) and ctrl-f ing 'captain' it doesn't exist. Doesn't matter, the fact that he got the "hide" right it means that it is a fake role provided by the hosts or he is indeed the survivor. He didn't make up the entire role. | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:41 Umasi wrote: upon cursory glance at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Golden_Sun_characters) and ctrl-f ing 'captain' it doesn't exist. OK 1) why wouldn't you bring this up earlier 2) how the dicks am I supposed to know, I haven't played the golden sun. If I were going to construct my own fakeclaim i'd probably use something from wikipedia or something right? In fact, the fact that it's not on wikipedia is evidence that my claim is legit! A fakeclaimer would use something obviously from the game. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:42 Old Partner wrote: Why the dicks would hosts provide a survivor role to scum when there's already a survivor in the game? That would be like bastard host tier. Look, at least admit there's a CHANCE I am who I say I am. There is, isn't there? 1% 2 survivors could be but then there is no SK And I tell you this: WoS was not killed by scummers. Unless some sick bluehunting was going on. | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:43 Koshi wrote: Doesn't matter, the fact that he got the "hide" right it means that it is a fake role provided by the hosts or he is indeed the survivor. He didn't make up the entire role. this logic is sound. The 2-shot hiding ability means that there are only two possibilities 1) I am who I say I am 2) I got the role from the hosts there's no chance (or at least an unbelievably slim chance, one not worth mentioning) that I made up the role PM on my own AND happened to make it up to be a 2-shot hider. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:43 Old Partner wrote: OK 1) why wouldn't you bring this up earlier 2) how the dicks am I supposed to know, I haven't played the golden sun. If I were going to construct my own fakeclaim i'd probably use something from wikipedia or something right? In fact, the fact that it's not on wikipedia is evidence that my claim is legit! A fakeclaimer would use something obviously from the game. presumably you were provided with fakeclaims, and I had no reason to disbelieve your claim up to this point! Until now, obviously. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:43 Koshi wrote: 1% 2 survivors could be but then there is no SK And I tell you this: WoS was not killed by scummers. Unless some sick bluehunting was going on. What player do you think would kill WoS? I would think it's somebody who he's confident at reading and I don't know who that is in this game. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
sorry about that I got excited. it feels ridiculous that there would be two survivors. If there are, I'll eat my hat. I don't even own a fucking hat. I'll go out to a store, buy a nice $20-25 hat, and eat it. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:45 Grackaroni wrote: What player do you think would kill WoS? I would think it's somebody who he's confident at reading and I don't know who that is in this game. 2 options: 1) SK that doesn't care and snipes out WoS because WoS likely wasn't scum. But also wasn't scumhunting. SK wants a good balance. 2) Scumteam that thought that WoS was blue. The first is way more likely. | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:43 Koshi wrote: 1% 2 survivors could be but then there is no SK And I tell you this: WoS was not killed by scummers. Unless some sick bluehunting was going on. Far be it from me to speculate about night actions, but I'm betting WoS WAS killed by scummers. The reason I say this is that he got killed N1. If you are a 2-shot hiding survivor, and you're telling the truth about being AFK for like 30 hours or whatever during N1, you would sure as hell decide to ##hide because of the possibility of being vigied. The only way he could be dead is that scum hid their roleblock under him. They RBed him, cancelling his hide, and shot him. The other possibility is an SK has a "always works" night kill, and I guess WoS wasn't exactly a town leader, which makes scum less likely to shoot him. However, I could see WoS as a bluesnipe. He was acting strangely-- strangely enough that I noticed, for example, and if you're scum and you see someone acting strange, you dont' think "scum"-- you think "blue" | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:48 Koshi wrote: 2 options: 1) SK that doesn't care and snipes out WoS because WoS likely wasn't scum. But also wasn't scumhunting. SK wants a good balance. 2) Scumteam that thought that WoS was blue. The first is way more likely. Only if you don't factor in the idea that WoS probably ##hided last night. Then you're comparing the relative likelihoods of SK having protection-piercing bullets (reasonably common) or scum having an RB (very common) and using it on him. Not that it matters a huge amount to me. I need to write the mother of all cases to not get lynched today. | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:46 Grackaroni wrote: I'm just going to ignore BH, he's the lynch for the day. the chance of 2 survivors combined with his play this game makes it a 99.99% chance he is a baddie. We can still do some scumhunting aside from him. Ok Grack ignoring me is not the right move here. How about this: you're not obligated to unvote me. Maybe you think there really is only a one in ten thousand chance that ShiaoPi put two survivors in this game. I think the chance is somewhat higher in general, but maybe you think that. Still, my goal here is to write a case so good that it convinces people not to lynch a 2nd survivor claim. Surely you can see why something like that is worth reading, even if it's not worth unvoting me? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Does scum win then? | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
scum doesn't control the vote, and that's normally the wincon. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Also: On September 01 2013 06:30 ShiaoPi wrote: Setup Information This game has a CLOSED setup. It is a "normal" game though. So no worries about "bastard" hosting. No bastard hosting!!! | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:54 Umasi wrote: why would they? scum doesn't control the vote, and that's normally the wincon. the wincon this game it's different. it's "outnumber townspeople" in 6 - 2 - 4, scum doesn't win since there are 6 townspeople and 4 scum. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 15 2013 07:54 Umasi wrote: why would they? scum doesn't control the vote, and that's normally the wincon. Yeah true I guess. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
even in a semi-closed setup, the town could theoretically all be vigilantes. I'm bad at setup speculation though, so I'll be quiet :| | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
scum can win a little earlier without controlling the vote. for example: 1-2-2 in this case, with 1 townsperson, 2 survivors, and 2 scum, scum does not control the vote, but they win because they outnumber the townspeople. | ||
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