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Okay, had a cigarrette and clamed down. I promised myself i will not vote for townies this game. I do not know if blubbers is scum. I do not know if OP is scum. I don't think kush is scum. I however know SnB is scum.
##Unvote: ##Vote: StrongandBig He says i am very hard to read, which is a lie. There is no reason to make such a lie as town. There is no way he has "forgotten" how easy i was as a read on him in Aperture 2. I have proven that with quotes from him post game Aperture. Therefore SnB is mafia.
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On September 14 2013 04:16 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, had a cigarrette and clamed down. I promised myself i will not vote for townies this game. I do not know if blubbers is scum. I do not know if OP is scum. I don't think kush is scum. I however know SnB is scum.
##Unvote: ##Vote: StrongandBig He says i am very hard to read, which is a lie. There is no reason to make such a lie as town. There is no way he has "forgotten" how easy i was as a read on him in Aperture 2. I have proven that with quotes from him post game Aperture. Therefore SnB is mafia. You are very hard to read, from what I have read of your posts and other posts from other games, you are aggressive as both alignments and also you actually can make the thread hard to read through your constant, often ill-reasoned spam reminicient of my own play years back. You are going to be wrong on SnB, your reasoning is inherently flawed and based on meta thinking and omgus, and you need to have a fresh perspective that doesn't inherently judge things you disagree with as scum. No Pandain. I PROVED!!!!! SEE THE WROD!!! PROVED!! SnB is lying about how hard i am read for him. This has nothing to do with if i am hard for read to you , or anyone else. I proved SnB is lying and he has no town!motivation in lying like he did.
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debears is also mafia because he refuses to comment on my case on SnB. He knows i am right. He is not defending SnB, he is attacking someone else instead. He also said some time ago that's exactly what mafia does.
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On September 14 2013 04:24 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears is also mafia because he refuses to comment on my case on SnB. He knows i am right. He is not defending SnB, he is attacking someone else instead. He also said some time ago that's exactly what mafia does. Lol the fact that you are completely ignoring what I said when I argued with you is out of control No, that was only about the timing. Do you think SnB has motivation to lie as he did as town? Also, having played with me in Desert. Me, as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"?
Can you answer those questions?
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I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum.
Aperture mafia FIRST POST!
One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him. Aperture mafia POST GAME (no reason to lie)!
Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game.
If this is not a straight out lie i do not know what this is. There is no possible town!motivation for the lie.
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On September 14 2013 04:44 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 14 2013 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So SnB must be town because it's me and Koshi voting for him.. This seems really fishy and it's nto a reason why my case is bad. lol. 1) never said your case is bad. 2) Never said SnB is town because you two are voting for him. 3) You start calling people scum when they disagree with you (ie dibbers/OP) How do you expect people to play this game when you attempt to pre-emptively shut down any contribution they make? This is exactly how you got me mislynched in Persona so i suggest you check your play, Rayn. Although I'm pretty sure this kind of play makes you town---I think it'd be really impressive if you could reproduce this play as scum. (On that note, in Rayn's recent scumgame, did he play this way? Does anyone know?)Now if you calm your tits, I'll get to SnB. he did That's another lie.
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Oats is town, you heard it from here first.
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On September 14 2013 04:57 Pandain wrote: Kush is the play it safe option, we won't really gain any more information on him as indicative of what he's posted. Has clearly indicated he's not going to read the thread(keeps posting currently without effort to read). Scum aren't going to kill him and we shouldn't waste a vig when we can use it for late-game scenarios.
SnB will result in town, if you guys lynch him than the only good thing that will happen is you will realize to listen to me for once. We can win this game if we play it safe and smart, rely around obtaining information and then good scum-hunting.
I advocate lynching Kush because town has to deal with him eventually and it'll result in a lynch anyway of him later on. Can you explain hoe kushmasta is "unreadable" or whatever you think? I think kushmasta has contributed way more to the game than SnB has.
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On September 14 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 04:58 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 14 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:On September 14 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote: Also. I am certain that Kush is not scum.
Please remove votes from him. Pandain? Old Partner? He seems scum to me because contrary to what you guys say is his "dont' give a shit" style, he attempted to become townie, probably because he can't just yolo away and fuck himself if he is scum. Still hasn't done anything, and while this is circumstantial the fact that no real support for an obvious lynch like this is indicative that there's not a bandwagon. Instead actually the two most logical people are the ones supporting this. Isn't that weird? My main problem is that he said "ill read and make reads" Then says "I won't do it don't have time", but continues to post stupid shit Then votes GK, who was never in the main discussion for lynch, and whom also got replaced. Kush is usually in the main thick of things as town (despite how good or bad his contributions are), which he isn't doing at all here He also seems, as evidenced by his post two above, that he honestly doesn't care(doesn't make sense if he's town), or he's trying to seem like he doesn't care and thus justify an anti-town playstyle (makes sense if scum, not if town). The problem is that's exactly what he does as town.. It does not make him scum. I t would make me or you scum, but not him. If you are right about SnB being town and won't settle onto anything but kush/blubb we are most likely going to lynch town because kush has like 1% chance of flipping scum and blubb is ~5%.
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Scum with 3 KP in mini. Pandain, you are not this bad are you?
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On September 14 2013 05:07 Pandain wrote: My argument, rayne, is that we are going to end up lynching kush later. You said he will play like this always, ok then we're going to lynch him later for being unproductive. A vig shot is wasteful and assumes we have a vig.
Instead we can lynch players like blub later when we have more information and can raise that, as you said 5% chance, to possibly a 20% or even a 1%. Kush also is clearly not blue given the fact he just peaced without possibly claiming. He is not useless later on. He is useful or will out himself as scum. I think he is town. He has already given 3 scumreads, no reasoning but they are reads. He was okay with voting for SnB, he is okay with voting for blubbers. He said someone else looks bad (i don't remember now who it was). SnB has given only one read, which went from "idk" to OMGUS vote on me. What else has he done? Who does SnB think is mafia?
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On September 14 2013 05:11 strongandbig wrote: can people tell me why they think rayn is town? All i've seen so far is because "he's being aggressive" but do you really think he's not capable of that as scum? Can you give us some reads other than your read on me? Who are my scumbuddies?
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Okay: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Old Partner
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On September 14 2013 05:13 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 05:11 strongandbig wrote: can people tell me why they think rayn is town? All i've seen so far is because "he's being aggressive" but do you really think he's not capable of that as scum? I'm starting to get there on a scum read on him, but it's not certain. If he is town, I want him because, hell, hapa apparently really respects his play so he might be some good. Kush/Blubb (mainly kush) have a much better chance of flipping tbh i am far better player after D1. Don't lynch kush please. I am good at finding tonwreads on D1, not so in finding scum. I can understand i might be wrong on SnB, i just don't like when people want to play it safe because someone who might be scum might also be an asset and then people lynch some stupid lurker who's never gonna end up scum and no info can be drawn from votes.
If you don't agree with OP, please lynch blubbers then. I don't think he is scum, Oats has really good gut reads on D1, so does vayne. I think they are both town. OP has a fair chance of flipping mafia, far better than blubbers or kush.
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On September 14 2013 05:23 Koshi wrote: Rayn, I like OP. Why do you want to lynch him?? Look how long his posts are. He is not a good lynch unless you KNOW he is scum. Like 75% and more. Hey i can also summarize what has happened in thread in last 300 pages. Am i confirmed town if i do that from Aperture, that game is far longer than this.
His posts have zero conclusions. They say "this happened then that happened" and that's it.
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SnB lynch is not happening whatever i say, so i let it go for now. I am not saying he is town but his explanation might be legit.
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SnB i would like to hear your thoughts on who do you want to lynch?
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I can get behind Zealos lynch if we really want to lynch a lurker. After his agreement on my SnB case he went full meh..
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On September 14 2013 05:38 strongandbig wrote: It looks like I'm not going to manage a rayn lynch in the next hour and a half. I still think Rayn is scum. But I would much rather lynch zealos than kush.
##unvote ##vote: zealos We'll talk about this later on in the game. ^_^ I agree with you on Zealos > kush.
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