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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 03 2013 02:15 GMT
#1788
I forgot my password for the smurf account, tried to password reset, then forgot the email account associated with it.



Oh well
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 03 2013 13:07 GMT
#1814
On September 03 2013 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
Tutan is thrawn? I didn't see that one coming.

because now I can't help attaching overall opinions of thrawn to his posts.


yeah i was worried about that
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 03 2013 13:16 GMT
#1816
On September 03 2013 22:10 yamato77 wrote:
Thrawn, what do you think of a Hapa/Slam/Sn0 scumteam?


I buy a slam/sn0 team but hapa? Why not marv? hapa pretty townie during last bits of D2 imo

sn0 is probably the one i'm most "confident" about. i gave him a pass for a dumb 3 word phrase and have yet to even think about his existence in this game until just now

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:06 GMT
#2018
alright i'm back
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:07 GMT
#2020
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:14 GMT
#2022
On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?


As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:21 GMT
#2025
On September 05 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?


As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.


To play devil's advocate, he really hasn't been all that present in the thread all game.

Also, town-yamato-ish is much more active than what he's doing right now. In what ways does his specific behaviors point to his townie persona?


Him not being active is part of that read. As town I've seen him mess around until town is screwed, then come back to the thread acting as if he's going to be the one to solve the game.

Yeah the recent activity is not as much as I remember it being in past games, but overall his approach to the game feels much more like town than scum yamato, so much that he's not an acceptable D3 lynch.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:40 GMT
#2030
On September 05 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?


As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.


To play devil's advocate, he really hasn't been all that present in the thread all game.

Also, town-yamato-ish is much more active than what he's doing right now. In what ways does his specific behaviors point to his townie persona?


Him not being active is part of that read. As town I've seen him mess around until town is screwed, then come back to the thread acting as if he's going to be the one to solve the game.

Yeah the recent activity is not as much as I remember it being in past games, but overall his approach to the game feels much more like town than scum yamato, so much that he's not an acceptable D3 lynch.


So you have 3 unacceptable lynches (of which I believe you all think are town-reads), you yourself will maintain that you're town.

That probably leaves 3 scum of the next 4 players. Who's your scumteam? Or if that's too specific, who are you leaning strongest scum on? Who are you wavering the most on?


Yep, currently looking at marv, sno, onegu, and sylencia.

I really don't know who I'd pick as town from that group. I would be completely for lynching onegu had he not made that post about pms. I'm having trouble seeing why he would post that as mafia and I *might* say he's my most confident town read. Syl I just haven't read in awhile. Sno said some pretty scummy things earlier which I'm going to get to in a later post. Marv has been giving me increasingly worrying feelings all game and I think he and Sno are who I'd be most confident with lynching. It's unnerving when marv is alive at what seems to be mylo and has not been targeted by kp or anything yet. I'm paranoid about how he was soft-pushing my Onegu case during D2. He was supportive of it as far as saying that it was a good case but I never got the feeling that he really cared to help me push it. I have yet to go through syl's stuff so I'll make a case on my top one or two lynch candidates after I've done that. Right now those are marv/sn0.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:47 GMT
#2032
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Some nitpicking:

[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today. [/QUOTE]

Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?[/QUOTE]

As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.
[/QUOTE]

To play devil's advocate, he really hasn't been all that present in the thread all game.

Also, town-yamato-ish is much more active than what he's doing right now. In what ways does his specific behaviors point to his townie persona?[/QUOTE]

Him not being active is part of that read. As town I've seen him mess around until town is screwed, then come back to the thread acting as if he's going to be the one to solve the game.

Yeah the recent activity is not as much as I remember it being in past games, but overall his approach to the game feels much more like town than scum yamato, so much that he's not an acceptable D3 lynch.[/QUOTE]

So you have 3 unacceptable lynches (of which I believe you all think are town-reads), you yourself will maintain that you're town.

That probably leaves 3 scum of the next 4 players. Who's your scumteam? Or if that's too specific, who are you leaning strongest scum on? Who are you wavering the most on?[/QUOTE]

Yep, currently looking at marv, sno, onegu, and sylencia.

I really don't know who I'd pick as town from that group. I would be completely for lynching onegu had he not made that post about pms. I'm having trouble seeing why he would post that as mafia and I *might* say he's my most confident town read.[/Quote]

Explain please?

Because what he did was essentially cheating which is a pretty townie action in my experience.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:49 GMT
#2034
On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu


TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?

As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?

Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either..

That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu?



Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta.

The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.


right hurr
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:55 GMT
#2037
On September 05 2013 08:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu


TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?

As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?

Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either..

That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu?



Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta.

The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.


right hurr


I can see getting townie-vibes from that, but nothign particularly robust. It's natural for anyone to talk about the subject (PM'ing the host about discussion of an ongoing game), especially if it pertains to your suspicions and defense of said suspicion after a mislynch.


He pm'd syl a question directly related to this game... that's natural?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 00:04 GMT
#2042
On September 05 2013 08:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh he PM'd syl.

Didn't catch that. That's kinda wierd.


Yeah. Other than that I want to lynch him. But that one thing makes me go o.0?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 00:18 GMT
#2045
No. After I've read him I'll post complete thoughts on everyone.

While you're here, what do you think of this speculation?

On September 05 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote:

PS: Useless setup speculation: It's safe to say that scum NK's are worth 50 water, since they achieved their NK tonight and it balanced-out perfectly with our doctor save. In addition, for balance reasons it prevents town losing D2 if town mislynches twice (which we did). As such, while I'm really unsure if it would help town much, a no-lynch isn't too unreasonable an option. Admittedly all that happens is we lose our doctor (ugh) but I'm willing to assume that he will be roleblocked and killed in fairly short order anyway so this isn't too huge a loss. The problem is that we need his insight for as long as possible. TL;DR we are at MyLo not Lylo or w/e. If we mislynch we lose but if we no-lynch we don't lose on the spot.


Before this I was pretty confused about why your save didn't lower the water level but this explanation makes perfect sense. It makes so much sense then I'm pretty sure sn0 had extra information.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 03:17 GMT
#2053
Lol sorry hapa. I'm waiting for my interest in the game to pick up. I should be good to go in a few hours.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 07:29 GMT
#2056
Hi Hapa.

Can you give 3 scumreads? One or two sentences each?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 08:22 GMT
#2060
Hapa as soon as I've reached any conclusions I'll post them. I was more interested in talking to people first but nobody is around.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 08:31 GMT
#2061
To clairfy: I'm lurking but willing to talk to anyone else who is here.

Hapa I can talk about sn0 right now if you want but I'm not confident enough to give my final answer. Or anyone else. I get the feeling that both of us are mainly interested in hearing the other person's scumreads.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 08:59 GMT
#2062
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


1. countless "iunno's"
2. this post
3.
On August 29 2013 23:42 Sn0_Man wrote:

I somehow scored like 3 free townreads early though so if nothing else he doesn't seem to be cherry picking somebody easy to point a finger at (another point in his favour).



he's mindful of who is reading him as town

4. posts like this where he is critical of people but not concerned about their alignment
5.
On August 30 2013 05:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Koopa why ain't you pushing hopeless a bit more?

He seems like the best lynch so far tbh.


bro why don't you push hopeless more

6. does he know how scum water mechanics work?
7.
On September 05 2013 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
I hope it's marv


ooh are you bussing?

8. he's called me scum a few times lately but I don't remember him giving a shit about anything i've done
9.
On September 05 2013 06:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
@rayn:

Thrawn is admittedly AFK which isn't helping anything. I thought he had some contributions earlier though.

Your last post made more sense about yamato. PS If yamato is scum I'm thinking its him/thrawn/marv which makes u look disgustingly smart


i'm pretty sure rayn is town, and enabling town rayn is pretty mafia-motivated imo




If anyone has reasons why sn0 is town you need to get in touch with me before the lynch
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 10:06 GMT
#2063
Another pick for scum is Marv. He has a huge filter so I'm not going to bother looking for quotes. For how much he posts he doesn't have enough thread presence. I brought up how I felt marv was soft pushing my case in a weird way, and there have been multiple instances of that this game. I think it started around when I was pushing hopeless and I'm starting to suspect that he's been working me all game. Feels like deja vu, he's beaten me as scum this way before. I'm looking ahead to this

On September 04 2013 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
I know I have a decent chunk of time tomorrow evening, so I shall use it wisely


I read through all of sylencia's posts. Overall it was pretty bland, not the most interesting read. It didn't look particularly townie, nor scummy. I think the posts where he talked about his play were genuine. I'd like the people who want to lynch him to tell me truthfully if syl's meta doesn't allow for him to be town, because by his own description, it does?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 10:18 GMT
#2064
Marv, when was the first time you thought I was town?

@Hapa

You asked for 3 scum, I guess I've arrived at marv, sn0, and... dunno? Maybe Onegu? A few eople have been in thread wanting to chat for awhile and Onegu has been posting elsewhere for all of it. I'm kinda waffle-y on him. I'm "patiently" waiting to hear your scumreads, especially any that I'm reading as town.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 10:41 GMT
#2066
Rayn what do we do now that we agree?



"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 10:43 GMT
#2067
ok

##Vote: Marvellosity
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 10:48 GMT
#2069
On September 05 2013 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 19:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
Rayn what do we do now that we agree?

I dunno, probably lynch marv, Sylencia and yamato. Possibly Sno_man in exchange of yamato if he is able to reasonably explain himself.


Have you read any of my recent posts? Your main focus should be on what you disagreed with.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 11:05 GMT
#2072
What about this?

On September 05 2013 19:06 thrawn2112 wrote:

I read through all of sylencia's posts. Overall it was pretty bland, not the most interesting read. It didn't look particularly townie, nor scummy. I think the posts where he talked about his play were genuine. I'd like the people who want to lynch him to tell me truthfully if syl's meta doesn't allow for him to be town, because by his own description, it does?


Admittedly I haven't been following the cases against him, but I've read his filter for myself several times and I don't see mafia.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 11:08 GMT
#2073
On September 05 2013 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn do you think scum are marv, Sylencia and Sno?
why not yamato?


Right now I would say Marv, sn0, and tentatively Onegu. Not yamato, he looks like he's trying to solve the game and I've seen him play town like this. I saw how he played in GoT. Scum yamato would have completely fucked off by now.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 11:23 GMT
#2075
On September 05 2013 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Onegu is town, having played with him a couple of games. He is far more aggressive as scum.

I don't really know Sylecia's meta. I am basing my read on him on his posts, which are really bad. Like, he accuses Onegu of going after easy targets all game and that's pretty much it. He has done the exact same thing, but without proper reasoning. At least Onegu's reasons sound like a townie could think.

What do you think of what me & Hapa said about yamato on D3? Does yamato's posts make sense to you? Why?


About the stance switching after N2? I don't think it's scummy, but yamato needs to answer some of hapa's questions first before I really care to talk about it. I know that's what Hapa was talking about, you'll have to remind me if you were bringing up anything different. I've given a few reasons why I think yamato is town. They are in this filter and it's not that long.

If you plan on lynching Syl you need to read his past games first. You say he's accusing people without proper reasoning. And this is something only mafia do? I'm going to need to be convinced about Syl.

You're calling me town now? Was there any exact moment when you changed your mind about this?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 11:40 GMT
#2077
Why are you trusting rayn?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 11:42 GMT
#2079
On September 05 2013 20:40 Onegu wrote:
So I am here! Any question I am here for.


It's time to start talking about who we're gonna lynch.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 18:59 GMT
#2201
Hello
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 19:11 GMT
#2203
He is lynchproof and transfers the lynch, but the water level rises? There's no reason for town to lynch him if the claim is true. Town would be better off lynching the scummiest person so that syl doesn't raise the water level. So is he town? I thought he was before the claim and I buy his explanation for why he claimed. Anyways I don't see why we should lynch him, the claimed mechanic is incredibly anti-town. I don't buy that he's trying to save marv, because why would he claim an anti-town role? I don't think he wants to get lynched, so the question is if he's town or mafia trying not to get lynched. He explained why he's doing it before he sleeps, and it kinda makes sense for town to do that anyways. After all we're probably at mylo, when else to claim but now?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 19:25 GMT
#2205
On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote:
Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation.

##VOTE SYLENCIA


The bolded is false. I'm assuming that the water level will lower, or at least not rise when we lynch mafia. Why try and coordinate a syl+X lynch when the water will be lower if we only X? I have no idea what Onegu thinks is good about lynching syl and I need him to explain why it is pro town.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 20:39 GMT
#2255
Hapa why is it a fake claim? Because there's no vt fake claim? Why would he fake claim as mafia when he did? What do you think about the role in general, plausible or not? You don't like the breadcrumb?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 20:43 GMT
#2258
On September 06 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 05:36 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 06 2013 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mafia is all inning to save their roleblocker. If that was someone else than marv Sylencia would not have claimed scum.
Their only chance is to save marv the roleblocker, kill you and WIFOM me.


When have you ever seen mafia all-in to save the roleblocker in any game you've played?

If marv is scum, roleblocker or not, you probably all-out bus the guy.

Yes, makes sense. Sylencia is all out bussing him. Which one, Sylencia/marv do you think is more valuable to scum?


If they are both mafia then their plan is that they both get lynched? You think that a scum syl would believe he can actually "save" marv? There are too many anti-marv people for that to work, they'd both end up getting lynched.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 20:45 GMT
#2261
On September 06 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hapa why is it a fake claim? Because there's no vt fake claim? Why would he fake claim as mafia when he did? What do you think about the role in general, plausible or not? You don't like the breadcrumb?

All blues were given a fakeclaim, which is vanilla role-PM.
Sylencia does not have it. He has his red role, and blue fake claim.


That would mean that blues get vt fake claims and scum players don't. Do you think this is what's happening, that scum wouldn't get fake claims?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 20:46 GMT
#2262
On September 06 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 05:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 06 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 06 2013 05:36 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 06 2013 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mafia is all inning to save their roleblocker. If that was someone else than marv Sylencia would not have claimed scum.
Their only chance is to save marv the roleblocker, kill you and WIFOM me.


When have you ever seen mafia all-in to save the roleblocker in any game you've played?

If marv is scum, roleblocker or not, you probably all-out bus the guy.

Yes, makes sense. Sylencia is all out bussing him. Which one, Sylencia/marv do you think is more valuable to scum?


If they are both mafia then their plan is that they both get lynched? You think that a scum syl would believe he can actually "save" marv? There are too many anti-marv people for that to work, they'd both end up getting lynched.

They will get both lynched either way! Because they are both fucking scummy.
I need you the next day! Please, vote for marv!



pshh i am, I just don't buy syl
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 20:49 GMT
#2265
On September 06 2013 05:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hapa why is it a fake claim? Because there's no vt fake claim? Why would he fake claim as mafia when he did? What do you think about the role in general, plausible or not? You don't like the breadcrumb?


Breadcrumb is fine, and the role-claim is plausible.

I guess I shouldn't be putting too much stock into the role PM stuff.

It seems l ike you guys have your heart set on lynching marv. At this point, I doubt there's much I could do to stop you, nor do I have any real compelling evidence to do so. My gut read on marv is still town, and I'd expect far more pro-active scumplay from him than to afk for the past 48 hours.

Anyway, I'm goign to be on for another 30 minutes and then I have to go to class. I won't be able to check the thread on my computer until after the deadline, however I"ll be able to check stuff on my phone and move votes around accordingly.


If you can please post why you think marv is town before you go.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 21:07 GMT
#2280
Hapa I'm going out for a smoke so we are probably done talking for today. I am never 100% sold on a lynch before the deadline so I will be reading over your posts till the lynch. I'd like to know what the mafia motivation for syl's claim is. I'm having a hard time accepting that blues get vt names but scum wouldn't.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 22:40 GMT
#2298
I really wish we could predict a marv modkill.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 22:51 GMT
#2303
On September 06 2013 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck does someone think Sylencia is not scum unless both of me and Hapa are lying?


idk it's fucked isn't it? but if he were scum why would he not give a fake vt claim? you think dandel followed through and intentionally gave unsafe fakeclaims?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 22:54 GMT
#2306
lol hi marv. is this game gonna continue?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 23:03 GMT
#2319
oh god lol

rayn im still not lynching syl
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 00:36 GMT
#2333
I thought sn0 seemed townie when he came back for the last part of d3. Hapa/rayn aren't mafia, so I'm left with yamato, syl, and onegu. These are all people I didn't want to lynch during D3 so it's gonna be hard to chose between them. I agree that syl's vote looked bussish, and I guess I shouldn't expect Dandel lon not to fuck around with the fake claims. Syl is probably scum #2 even though I don't like it, and based on how weak yamato's play was leading up to the lynch I think he's the third scum. He stopped doing what I thought made him town, dunno what else to say.

i'm thinking that this is gonna be a looooong and quiet wait till the next lynch
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 00:41 GMT
#2334
yeah tldr I don't have much to say other than hapa/rayn are town, and sn0 had the towniest D3 out of everyone else. that only leaves yam/syl.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 00:57 GMT
#2338
but that's boring...

the only way this game will get interesting is if someone tries to push myself or rayn. rayn has too much town cred and i think if I can withstand a rayn-tunnel then I am near unlynchable.

anyways, i'm most interested in hearing from yamato and onegu as they're who I'm least confident about.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 01:12 GMT
#2349
N2 is when I looked the least town all game. I don't remember exactly how long I was afk but it was something like all of N2 through the first 24 hours of D3. I was active for like 80 hours in a row or something before going afk, and if you look back at D1 you should realize you were really the only person who seriously thought I was mafia.

If you mean thanks for name/meta claiming, well I really didn't want to do that.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 03:25 GMT
#2366
Hey yamato. How's this going to play out?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 06:10 GMT
#2369
I wanted to roll mafia. I'd planned on playing it similarly to how I played before I forgot my passwords. I rolled town in all my 8 games on ms. I roll town 91% of the time..... My town tell is typing /in.

Anyone know how to use recurring decimals in bbcode?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 06:11 GMT
#2370
^^^ btw that's a town claim
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 07:16 GMT
#2373
I think what I meant was are you going to be posting seals at any point in the future?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 08:11 GMT
#2376
wtf why is everyone in the game stoned
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 09:28 GMT
#2379
Hapa you think rayn could have been right about the reason for syl's claim? Syl would have had to have been planning the claim no later than his breadcrumb during N3. Other than trying to save marv, I'm not sure why he would claim after the marv lynch had already taken off.. tbh I entertained the idea of him being jester for a few minutes after I saw the claim.

So do you think rayn is right or is there some other mafia motivation for what syl did? Yes, I do think sylencia is mafia, mainly because of how he voted for Marv but I'm still confused about why his claim alone makes him mafia. I know I'm being stubborn about the lack of a vt fake claim, and that's because as a host I wouldn't give the mafia team unsafe claims. (yeah that was terrible logic but I'm not over it quite yet) Maybe Syl or his teammates came up with it without host input?

Also why do blue roles get vt fake claims wtf? Were the VT names designated as fake claims or as regular flavor names?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 09:55 GMT
#2381
On September 06 2013 18:32 Hapahauli wrote:
I think asking yourself "what's the mafia motivation behind the claim" is a wrong way of looking at this. The question should be "is mafia capable of doing such a play?"

Mafia have many options at LYLO to fuck with the town. A fake claim is one of them. It might seem like an "unnecessary" play, but it's a possible play (and one we have a lot of evidence for). That's what playing mafia's all about anyway - making enough "unnecessary" plays to distract people from catching on to you pushing your objectives.


Okay. I can see it being done but I don't think it was a good idea. I think I will be 100% on syl after I get over how many times I called him town recently.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 18:57 GMT
#2451
heello yamat o. how's it Goin?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 19:12 GMT
#2453
yamato you have no clue what you're talking about because you weren't in the thread during the times you're talking about.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 19:15 GMT
#2455
On September 07 2013 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 04:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
yamato you have no clue what you're talking about because you weren't in the thread during the times you're talking about.

what are you even saying?


you think I showed a wanning interest in the game on D3?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 06 2013 19:21 GMT
#2458
On September 07 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 03:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
heello yamat o. how's it Goin?

at what point did I "stop doing things that made me town?"

I read that line and thought: "is thrawn mafia?"

if you are, consider that your downfall


Right after the marv lynch. After the D2 lynch you did voting analysis, and talking about your mulligans. I kept waiting for you to come back but you never did, and it was right after the D3 lynch that I realized how much of nothing you'd done lately.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 07 2013 08:05 GMT
#2476
soooo. lynch syl or yamato? does anyone have a preference?

Also, does anyone have experience getting a broken audio cable out of a laptop audio jack? I hammered a nail straight into the audio jack thinking I could stab and grab the broken bit. What actually ended up happening was that I drove the broken cable tip and the nail straight through the length of the jack and into the laptop.

But now there's enough room in the jack to plug in another audio cable, and everything seems to be working. So I fixed it? Did I just give my laptop cancer?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 07 2013 16:52 GMT
#2484
On September 07 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So people just stopped playing or what?


I'm waiting on scummy people to give reads, which does in fact mean that I've stopped playing.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 08 2013 04:44 GMT
#2486
Onegu, pardon my reading comprehension, but isn't sn0 doing the opposite of what you're accusing him of doing in those posts?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 08 2013 04:46 GMT
#2487
oh now i see timestamps nvm
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 08 2013 17:33 GMT
#2496
##Vote :sn0_man
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 08 2013 17:39 GMT
#2498
wtf

##unvote
##Vote: sylencia

pre-ebwop

almost did it again too
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 09 2013 04:25 GMT
#2512
n4 post

fulfilling activity requirements or something
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 09 2013 05:21 GMT
#2513
we should run a vengeful game while there's still enough people
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 09 2013 17:51 GMT
#2552
I was obv town
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 09 2013 18:18 GMT
#2554
Sorry, but you're wrong. Do you not remember people thinking you were crazy for tunneling me?

Do you think yamato is bad enough to think hapa and I were mafia?

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 09 2013 18:59 GMT
#2556
On September 10 2013 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah, people who thought i was crazy were marv... Who was scum.

I dunno, i have no idea what yamato thinks because his mind changes every 5 seconds...


Lot's of mafia tend to argue using correct logic. Marv should have no problem reading how I played and reacted to your tunnel. It's obviously pointless for the two of us to argue about which one of us is right on this so you're going to have to ask other people.

The only reason I have to doubt yamato is mafia is because of how strange his reads on Hapa and myself were. Wtf would he have been trying to do as scum? All I can think of is trolling which isn't unlikely.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 09 2013 19:06 GMT
#2558
On September 10 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah, people who thought i was crazy were marv... Who was scum.

I dunno, i have no idea what yamato thinks because his mind changes every 5 seconds...


Lot's of mafia tend to argue using correct logic. Marv should have no problem reading how I played and reacted to your tunnel. It's obviously pointless for the two of us to argue about which one of us is right on this so you're going to have to ask other people.

The only reason I have to doubt yamato is mafia is because of how strange his reads on Hapa and myself were. Wtf would he have been trying to do as scum? All I can think of is trolling which isn't unlikely.

It is not about my case on you. It's about before that. Even then marv was sure you were town which can clearly be seen from his posting. It makes no sense for him to act like that when he does not know who you in fact are. Oats even pointed that out at some point. He said "marv knows who Koopa is and won't tell us". I got the exact same feeling then because his town read was not well justified and you never questioned him about it.


Did you ever read why I read marv as town? This is not the first time he's buddied me into town-reading him.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 09 2013 19:07 GMT
#2559
I want to know what you think about yamato, and what I said about him.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 09 2013 19:39 GMT
#2561
On September 10 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you want to know what i think of yamato? Why don't you think what the guys who did not out 2 mafia and lynch them in a row think about each other?


@ bold: Why do you ask what you ask? You can't keep asking questions and not giving answers.

I don't know what you mean by guys who did not out 2 mafia, or why that matters. What lynches are you talking about?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 09 2013 19:48 GMT
#2563
On September 10 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am talking about the lynches i lead on 2 mafia members. Why is it so important for you to know what i think about some other people as i am as close to confirmed town as anyone can be in this game?

Why are you questioning me and not the dudes who actually can be mafia?


Because yamato is scum, that is the answer to to both of your questions. You can look through my filters and find all the reasons I have for seeing everyone else as town. Also, I don't like talking about which of my townreads might be mafia during the night cycle.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 12 2013 20:00 GMT
#2925
gg

awful on my part
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 13 2013 01:15 GMT
#2960
rayn imagine if all the time we spent arguing about my alignment during D2 was spent talking about my onegu case. also, during the night right before I got shot, I was reaaaally wanting to talk to you about my doubts on yamato being mafia and I think that would have helped a lot. I think you need to stop trying so hard to enforce your will on the thread.

I think the mason claim was a bad idea, mostly because when it happened I didn't think Oats was going to be lynched so I don't think it served much of a purpose. After that all the other claims were pretty easy to ignore so I don't think they were very destructive.

As far as my own play goes I didn't play very well except when I was looking at Onegu. I can't recall why I didn't push that lynch, other than having to spend most of my time talking to rayn. Guess I should have ignored that conversation?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 13 2013 01:21 GMT
#2961
oh wait i don't think we argued at all during D2.

NVM I'M BAD
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