Desert Mini Mafia

On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?

On August 29 2013 09:09 marvellosity wrote:
I like this Tutankoopa guy

On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:


1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts.
2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler + just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated.

"Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...

On August 29 2013 09:31 Tutankoopa wrote:
If I was a smurf, would I enter a conversation about whether or not I'm a smurf?

All you need to know is that I'm town.

@rayn
Since you are very intent on understanding why I don't like your opening posts of the game, I will explain. The biggest problem is that the responses it generates are very similar from either alignment.

sensible town response: wtf are you doing rayn? explain yourself.
sensible scum response: wtf are you doing rayn? explain yourself.

On August 29 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote:

The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me.

Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow.

I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation

On August 29 2013 10:12 Tutankoopa wrote:
Rayn, we're trying to ignore you and you're making that difficult.

On August 29 2013 10:15 sciberbia wrote:


I apologize for offending you rayn. I was in a rather bad mood because

• I don't like random bullshit phase to begin with.
  
• I didn't appreciate being voted by sn0_man and yourself for being "too cereal".
  
• I especially didn't appreciate you criticizing the very first post of the game for 'not doing anything to catch mafia'. Like honestly, wtf did you expect? What would you have posted?
  

Due to my rather bad mood, I perhaps was harsher than was warranted, but the main point of my discourse was to try to steer the thread towards (imo) more productive discussion.

On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?

On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.

My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted.

On August 29 2013 16:30 Sylencia wrote:


Sn0, not really - reading his second post makes it look like he skimmed the thread, unvoted and went off to sleep or something. If he was around for hours I would've expected more than 2 posts there.

debears - Agreed, mainly so far just due to the fact he's pushing on a lynch based on an exaggerated statement - at least I assume it was exaggerated. Given the rest of the post I'm quoting, maybe it's not but I saw it as being exaggerated.

yamato - He's not avoiding discussion (I think), I just think his read on marv is weak.

On August 29 2013 20:47 marvellosity wrote:


I dunno. I don't like how he's gone about / explained some of this Tuten stuff, but it's way easy to fall into the trap of Oats of contradictory stuff being scummy, when he just does it all the time. Him being in the thread and consistently arguing over it is somewhat of a towntell I think.

TBD

On August 29 2013 20:48 marvellosity wrote:
yamato seems ok. Dumb is usually ok from yamato

On August 29 2013 20:51 marvellosity wrote:


I used to think this, but some game a while ago proved that wrong. Can't remember which though :/

Maybe you have a better metaread on him than I do, the way I usually try to tell is how involved he manages to stay. Pretty sure he can consistently push bad ideas as mafia too.

On August 29 2013 21:27 Sylencia wrote:


Useless marv = scum marv was my impression. I don't have meta experience with marv so I don't know how much that holds but I mean it's stated pretty obviously in his post. Are you giving me a reading comprehension test or is this actually leading to something?

On August 29 2013 21:28 Sylencia wrote:


How do you end up having a scum read on me literally every game on D1?

On August 29 2013 21:33 Sylencia wrote:
How can you base how useful someone is from 1 hour of play before they go afk though? If the sample time used was actually relevant, sure I'd agree there's a case, but he said marv wasn't doing anything as the game just started

On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn.

Marv wanna lynch Rayn?

On August 29 2013 21:35 Sylencia wrote:
debears, FT and atm I'm trying to look at the context of hopeless's posts but that may or may not lead to sn0 - I'll get back to you on the other one.

On August 29 2013 21:49 Sylencia wrote:


I was reading filters, reached hopeless's one and his posts lead me to sn0's filter, which lead me to the same conclusion as FT

On August 29 2013 21:54 Sylencia wrote:


I posted it before

On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine.

On August 29 2013 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote:

Picking a day 1 lynch by process of elimination is horrible.

On August 29 2013 22:00 Sylencia wrote:


(3):2nd half - the process from hopeless was there was a mention about Sn0, hopeless said it showed he was actively reading, so I took a look and it looked pretty dumb

On August 29 2013 22:22 marvellosity wrote:


Explain?

On August 29 2013 22:24 Sylencia wrote:
His vote was in the first hour aka troll and do wtf you want hour. Whether it's a troll or not though, you'd have to unvote at some point so doing it before you leave is optimal for lurking purposes.

On August 29 2013 22:50 marvellosity wrote:
I could lynch FT for being useless, but that doesn't just apply to him either. I can't really judge him on what he wrote so far.

If i'm saying the same thing in 24 hours time, then there'll be real problems

On August 29 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote:
Do you really need me to tell you who's not really done anything so far, rayn?

On August 29 2013 23:09 marvellosity wrote:
If I had to choose a second place finisher, it would be Onegu, I don't know where he's going with whatever he's posted

On August 29 2013 23:18 Onegu wrote:



Nah after GoT, he has reason for calling you out that seems non alignment indicative to me.

On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it.

On August 29 2013 23:36 Onegu wrote:



Just thought he held you responseable for his lynch in GoT, which carried over until now. Not sure about the titanic thing.

On August 29 2013 23:41 Onegu wrote:



Ok I will check it out.

On August 29 2013 22:00 Sylencia wrote:


2nd half - the process from hopeless was there was a mention about Sn0, hopeless said it showed he was actively reading, so I took a look and it looked pretty dumb

On August 30 2013 00:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Rayn we played this last game. I'm not gonna sit here and answer your questions all game. You obviously have a conclusion that you drew. If you want to share it with the thread in order please feel free.

On August 30 2013 00:37 Tutankoopa wrote:


1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamato in my first post of the game.
2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards.

Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn.



Yes I had read his filter and I changed my mind on a reread. Editing takes effort.

I've read everything else in the thread but I don't have anything to say about any of it.

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?

On August 30 2013 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS: essentially he's allowed to misread me but not allowed to read me perfectly then 180 w/o explanation. The latter needs explanation or else he joins my "scummy" pile.

On August 30 2013 01:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
Re: Rayn

1) Anyone who claims that I was seriously pushing a lynching with my first post is playing dumb. I don't think hopeless is capable of that logic. He's being ever so serious about his case on a guy's first post of the game and it doesn't feel right.
2) re read what I wrote. You are 100% incorrect about this.
3) you are the one who made it an issue. I've said as little as possible about it and only when asked about by you.

On August 30 2013 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Rayn the thread is 20 pages and ur filter is 5.

This isn't new, but you are spamming and making the thread hard to read.

On August 30 2013 01:54 debears wrote:
rayne:

can you organize your top 3 scumreads for me and give elaborate reasoning on them while I do mine?

On August 30 2013 02:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Can anybody provide some corroboration to this:

I'm kinda using it as a reason to dismiss debears case but I'll admit A) Marv looks unhelpful this game so I'm not sure I should use anything he says to make reads and B) I've never played with sciberbia.

On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:


Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you"

On August 30 2013 02:44 debears wrote:


How about this line from him?



If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself.

The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia

Follow me?>

On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him.

On April 05 2013 09:25 sciberbia wrote:


My strategy as scum (as I explained in the post-game) was to try to play exactly as I do as town. The reason that I posted setup speculation as scum is precisely because that is what I usually do as town.

I tend to start the game by inviting discussion on the setup because imo it is the best (only?) way to get people meaningfully talking about something actually relevant to the game.

The alternative way of generating discussion, as you are demonstrating, is to wait until someone else makes a post and then attack them for it, but I don't tend to form scumreads off someone's first post, and I don't like to lie about my reads, hence discussion on setup.

On August 30 2013 03:00 debears wrote:
Ugh i did terrible job explaining motivations there. continued....

Scum like to act like they are contributing. An easy way to do that is to point out small things and follow them up.

Onegu is not involved in the main happenings in the thread. He isn't sharing insights on his reads and the whys.

His posting is scum motivated because he has posts that look like they have content, yet do not. They provide no benefit to a town agenda

Still, that leaves other questions:

- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?

Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you.

On August 30 2013 03:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
The thread shitting between oats and marv was awfully reciprocal tho, not terribly 1-sided from what I could see.

On August 30 2013 03:52 Sn0_Man wrote:
A quick perusal of Marv's filter yields the following: (with 1 post and 15 mins in between)
+ Show Spoiler [Marv tries to take the high ground] +
+ Show Spoiler [Marv failing miserably 15 minutes later] +

I didn't feel like either of them had solid arguments on much, but they were going at it with gusto.

I hope you don't need me to go find similar disasters from Oats's filter? we both know they are there.

On August 29 2013 19:31 Oatsmaster wrote:

Only me and Hopeless thought it was bad initially......
Like why as town, vote for a dude and the question the lynch for that dude in the same post. Makes no sense to me.

On August 30 2013 04:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm really not here to argue with you about what oats and marv said and who was a bigger shitposter.

If you feel like marv was posting well and oats was being retarded and/or ruining the thread for no reason even though marv was trying to stop him then feel free to make a nice case to that effect.

As far as I'm concerned they were both vomiting garbage in a manner that really is not unique to them.

On August 30 2013 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:


Who are you talking about?

On August 30 2013 06:01 Hapahauli wrote:


Uh... then I really don't understand what you're trying to say here. If you're referring to him "ignoring" TK's defense, I think that's plenty scummy.

On August 30 2013 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
you've never heard of mafia clinging on to a terrible case rayn? heh

On August 30 2013 06:19 Tutankoopa wrote:


2 scenarios.

Example 1: A player has X read on Z player. He has not read the thread. He reads the thread changes his mind and then makes a post about how he used to have X read, but now he doesn't.

Example 2: What I did.

How are those functionally any different? You're getting the same information from me in either case.

On August 30 2013 06:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell can anyone comment on my Syl case above? I'm starting to agree with myself more and more :3

On August 30 2013 07:01 marvellosity wrote:
I don't get how/why he keeps tying hopeless/sn0 together, not necessarily alignment-wise, but in the way he looks at them. Am I missing something with that?

On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh

Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels

On August 30 2013 09:50 Tutankoopa wrote:


Well it's a new day, lets try again. Just a heads up, if you keep asking the same questions over and over without reading my responses, this isn't going to work.

On August 30 2013 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can someone explain to me why Tutankhamon is town?
All i have heard is that he asked me 3 questions and then unvoted me and that makes him seem like a bright guy. I do not see anything in his filter that is even close to scumhunting. I don't see anything in his filter that is even close to giving out a decent scumread. I don't actually see anything in his filter that is giving out decent ANY read.

On August 30 2013 18:58 marvellosity wrote:
Not unless you plan on seriously pushing his lynch and garnering support for it, no. I don't really see the point

You really think his contributions don't look natural/sincere?

On August 30 2013 19:14 marvellosity wrote:
There's not an example to give? You're just saying something with no basis

On August 30 2013 19:20 marvellosity wrote:
that's him being a retard with his role, which is a completely different matter.

When Oats is mafia I just see him digging at people constantly and not providing any interesting analysis.

As town he's consistently more active and perceptive

Like most of the last page of his filter is attacking you for PoE, and what?

On August 30 2013 19:21 marvellosity wrote:


This had crossed my mind, but I didn't know where to go with it.

If all these people are town, throw me 3 mafia for funsies?

On August 30 2013 19:23 marvellosity wrote:


you hydrad with him and your slot was caught for constantly bitching and not moving anything forward

he was caught in Ego for his activity dropping off and not actually providing analysis, and only bitching at people

He *was* caught in Ego because his activity dropped, in conjunction with his activity dropping, so meh

On August 30 2013 19:56 Tutankoopa wrote:
Marv, please tell rayn that I'm here if he wants to ask me any questions.

What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post?

Yes I had read his filter and I changed my mind on a reread. Editing takes effort.

2) You didn't really answer my question. Why did you start writing a post before you had read the whole thread? What's the point of doing so because you do not have all the information available? That to me seems like you are contributing to something you can't be called out for later because the information you are contributing to is no more relevant.

re read what I wrote. You are 100% incorrect about this.

Simple question. Why do you post before you have read the whole thread? You never answered me.

Rayn This conversation isn't going to continue until I'm satisfied that you've reread.

2 scenarios.

Example 1: A player has X read on Z player. He has not read the thread. He reads the thread changes his mind and then makes a post about how he used to have X read, but now he doesn't.

Example 2: What I did.

How are those functionally any different? You're getting the same information from me in either case.

Why does that need explaining? Does me doing that make it hard for you to know my reads? No. Does it push any mafia objective? No. So it's just a playstyle choice. I can't explain that any more than I can explain why I had donuts for breakfast, it's just how things played out.

And by the way, this is about that Oats thing right? Something you completely missed in my earlier response was that I HAD read the entire thread when I made that post. I changed my mind about Oats on a reread of his filter, which is something I said a long time ago. So you're entire accusation is based on a misunderstanding which I why I stopped responding to you earlier.

On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:


Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on):

- No real direction in his play
- He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering
- Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker.

To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently.

Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing

Yes, I had read the thread before that post.
I don't see why you were assuming that I hadn't read the thread. Evidence slightly pointed otherwise.
I don't see why not reading would be scummy anyhow.
Miscommunication is a real, observable phenomenon.

How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense.

1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamato in my first post of the game.
2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards.

Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn.

On August 30 2013 22:25 marvellosity wrote:


you need to let go of the nitpicking and read the tone and intent of his posts in the last couple of pages

how do you not see really clearly that he's trying to engage you in a constructive way? it's totally, totally baffling to me.

On August 30 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
So if I can prove that Tutan is town, is hopeless still town rayn?

On August 30 2013 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote:

Im assuming that since you have a scumread on Tutan and hopeless is the only that shares your views which means hes probably town right??? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Or else how in the world do you think hopeless has like no chance of flipping town man.

If you followed my comprehensive post then you'd know that I have a slight town, sorta nullish read on Sylencia. I see a lurker... but I don't see mafia. He didn't particularly shine in our recent conversation but there was nothing that made me want to abandon my read.

On August 30 2013 23:04 Tutankoopa wrote:


Hopeless quotes

"Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats"

"Your initial vote was not entirely damning."

"3) I'd actually chalk that up to early trolling more than anything else." --- I think he's referring to my first vote.

"My reasons for voting TK do not (nor have they ever) hinged upon the fact that he sheeped yamato's "policy" vote."

I have no idea when or why he thought I was scum during any of that earlier stuff. At times it looks like he knows the early vote was nothing substantial, at other times he is insistent that I was pushing for a lynch.

For further reading, I recently made a post about how all of his actions from page 2 onward are built on the assumption that rayn is town. That doesn't ring any alarms?

On August 30 2013 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol never seen scum bus before rayn? no objection to a lynch is a bad reason to not lynch someone...
Isnt the scum motivation mislynching Tuken and appearing town by pushing something?

On August 30 2013 22:54 Tutankoopa wrote:
For reference:



Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. However, we're long past that point in the game so I'll give you a full explanation.

Much of H's play was him being skeptical of the rayn voter(s). He says that rayn is being too stupid to be mafia. The full picture is that everything he posts and all of his accusations are based off of his page 2 Rayn town read. By asking those questions I was basically fishing for more evidence that Hopeless knew rayn's alignment.


Stupidity is a common target of policy lynchers. Hopeless doesn't have to agree with the policy, but surely if he think's you're being stupid he would be able to understand why people might want to policy lynch you.... or at least have a reasonable idea why.



Way back in the game I saw him say something like "Nvm, I lied." I thought it was townie and haven't paid attention to him since then. No, it's not the best town-tell.... but it is what it is.

Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. However, we're long past that point in the game so I'll give you a full explanation.

On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?

On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:


1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts.
2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler + just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated.

"Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...

On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa i would like you to explain a couple of things:

How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense.


What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post?

On August 30 2013 23:36 Tutankoopa wrote:
I didn't follow it up because I didn't get the damming result I was fishing for so there was literally nothing to say. You also kinda interrupted whatever train of thought I might have had when you decided to press the smurfing issue.

On August 30 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Uh what rayn?

Im not lynching Tutan off that.

On August 30 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:

Well no, but I dont think that contradicting yourself off pretty vague questions is totally 100% a scumtell. I dont understand your questions sometimes too man.

On August 31 2013 00:27 Alakaslam wrote:

Excuse me.

What if I wasn't vt? And I am in another game. Liking this one too though, but beware the flow of juices. (Currently they do not.)

What is with FirmTofu?

Should I read his filter?

On August 31 2013 03:09 Hapahauli wrote:


Back, awake, and catching up.

Whats up?

On August 31 2013 04:13 Hapahauli wrote:


Rayn... how often have your Day 1 tunnels been correct in the past?

On August 31 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote:


It's a mix of two things. The first is that you changed your mind to exactly sheep thread sentiment... which is... odd for you. Having seen you fight against thread sentiment to push your own ideas tooth and nail in my previous town games with you, this version of Oats looks downright passive.

Furthermore, I can usually get that paranoid townie feeling from you very early on. You're generally much more all-over-the-place than this.

On August 31 2013 04:30 FirmTofu wrote:
Quick question for those who have played with Sciberbia. Does he always play very deliberate and calculated even when he is town? I am unfamiliar with his meta.

On August 31 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:


Marv is absolutely terrible at reading Oats fwiw. I'd expect him not to have a good grasp of Oats' meta.

As far as Oats attacking me... where has he attacked me? I've seen him rage-tunnel me for days when I was a clear town-leader. The stuff he's done this game is a joke in comparison.

On August 31 2013 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:
The thing with this Rayn, is that I don't understand the mafia-motive behind this inconsistency/lie/whatever.

Yes it is an inconsistency. Yes his reply is a bit wonky. But is it completely out of the realm for a townie to do? What is "scum TK" trying to acccomplish here?

On August 31 2013 04:56 Hapahauli wrote:


How sure are you that it's a lie as opposed to a mistake?

On August 31 2013 04:59 Hapahauli wrote:


What do you make of the shitfest between myself, marv, and Yamato starting roughly at page 29?

On August 31 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
I didn't get your "ironclad" case last game rayn and I promise I re-read this one for you and still don't get it this game.

You are fortunate that I have last game to rely on or else I'd be working on your lynch I think.

@Tofu: yamato has a huge spat with marv/hapa for a bit this game. Enough to try and look townie, but not enough to really convince me. Its way more than last game though. I had questions at the start tho.

On August 31 2013 05:05 debears wrote:
lynch is in three hours right?

I might do my dark horse candidate by then if we cant get the syl lynch

btw raynp. Would you be willing to put your life on the line if you got the tk lynch and he was town?

On August 31 2013 05:05 Onegu wrote:
Ok its 3am I need to get some sleep now, with how FT is giving his reads now with zero rhyme or reason to them make me lean scum, also we disagree about yamato. The post about figureing out marv and hapa is nothing like his recent scum games.

On August 31 2013 05:08 sciberbia wrote:
OK rayn due to your vehement request, I reread TK's filter and I've conducted a fairly thorough investigation into this TK 'lie' you are referring to.

I maintain that there is no lie, TK could most certainly be town, and I still don't see any good reason to lynch him today.

First of all, he was correct in saying this


See this sequence of quotes for reference+ Show Spoiler +

Second of all, his story checks out. He said he didn't get the damning response for Hopeless that he was fishing for, so there was no reason to follow up on his questions to hopeless.

But he still didn't like that he had to explain why he asked those questions, because it gave away one of his scumhunting strategies to the scumteam.



I'm open to you explaining why my explanation of TK's statements doesn't make sense, but I cannot see any problem with his story.

On August 31 2013 05:15 Hapahauli wrote:


That bolded statement is simply not true. Townies are human - they forget all the time. Especially when put under pressure, it can be hard for people to find the motivation or the presence of mind to keep a story 100% straight. Every time I read that exchange you harp on about in your case, that's what I think. TK just seems annoyed at dealing with you as opposed to him making some calculated lie.

Maybe TK is scum, but what you have isn't a strong case, and isn't really a case at all.

On August 31 2013 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:


The TK/Hopeless exchange in your last case.

On August 31 2013 05:28 marvellosity wrote:
Hi, I'm back and sweaty, you lucky things.

Question one: why is Firm asking about sciberbia's meta with regards to posting 'formally' and what have you when it's been talked about at least twice in the thread already?

Secondly, remember when you talked, rayn, about how you just shout louder than the rest of people and get your lynch just by shouting? Well, hi there.

Couple of things I agreed with as I read them, can't remember who said them now - I think Onegu is looking better than I thought earlier in the cycle, his posting seems more sincere and pointed than his first, quite wishy washy post.

Also agree with... Hapa? on oats' 'half-heartedness'. Syl doesn't look great to me but he's posting too much for Syl to be a particularly good lynch today, I think I agree with yamato on that one.

Slammy has posted but nothing of substance, I still think he's a pretty good lynch. Gonna check me out some Oats stuffs. Here for talkies as well.

On August 31 2013 06:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
I sheep you like every fucking game rayn. Dont beg, its unbecoming.

On August 31 2013 06:10 Oatsmaster wrote:

under no pressure, doesnt post. comes in, pokes a bit which shows he has time, AND DOESNT DO SHIT.
Random vote on a dude that is currently at the top if im not mistaken with no explanation or anything. FT is not a lurker, FT is not posting anything helpful. Like he doesnt want to find scum, he just doesnt really care because a town lynch looks like its happening, TK/hopeless maybe.

On August 31 2013 06:14 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, ever thought the reason no-one wants to vote for TK is because your case is the worst thing ever written by a human being?

On August 31 2013 06:33 yamato77 wrote:

because your filter is like ten pages and I just wrote you off as tunneled town

TK is not scum, marv is not scum, stop it.

On August 31 2013 06:43 debears wrote:


Calm down. Trying to lynch vets is not a great idea unless you have a fullproof case. I've seen freaking cop marv get buried because of just a bad d1 and paranoia

On August 31 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:


I basically have no idea why we're not lynching one of Firm and Slam. Lurky players who when they post are posting tripe. Lynching someone posting more than usual seems really stupid to me.

On August 31 2013 07:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
rayn has a history of faking blue roles in-thread :/

On August 31 2013 07:01 Hapahauli wrote:


You probably are. Makes very little sense for you to not shoot TK ya know.

On August 31 2013 07:02 marvellosity wrote:
There's been nowhere near enough suspicion on me for a normal game, it is kinda worrying. This feels more like home.