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Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 02:14 GMT
#1227
On August 31 2013 10:45 sciberbia wrote:
god night-time is no fun


I'm here baby, and I'm ready and willing to satisfy all of your darkest, most primal mafia-related fantasies.
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 02:24 GMT
#1228
Debears I'd like to know your comprehensive thoughts on Onegu. If the Marv read still tickles your fancy then I want to know about that as well.

It's night time so obviously there's no rush to force anything if you are ill-prepared... just whenever you get around to it.
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 02:29 GMT
#1230
On August 31 2013 11:25 Sylencia wrote:
@Tutan, I was saying that before...


If so, then sorry. Ever since rayn returned midway through D1 I've had a hard time focusing on anything but him.

As a matter of fact, I sorta went over this with Onegu himself, albeit in a condensed format. Anyone who is interested in reading for context should start here.

Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 02:48 GMT
#1233
On August 31 2013 11:33 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 11:13 Tutankoopa wrote:
Onegu is mafia. Alakaslam is probably mafia too but right now I want get the Onegu conversation out of the way. There's a general pattern in Onegu's play, and it has to do with what lynches he's pushed, or rather, not pushed. There are two good examples of what I'm talking about.

Onegu made the following post about debears at the start of the game.

On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote:
On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu

You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now?



Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie.


Several other things happened after that regarding Onegua and debears, but let's come back to those later. The last thing in this storyline was Onegu abandoning his debears lynch in order to propose a lynch on the 2 post coinflip lynch, FT. Why? Up till that point Onegu had never retracted his stance on debears. When I asked about it, Onegu said he changed his mind on debears due to this post. Well.... there's not much alignment indicative information in that response for two reasons. The first is that the debears post in question (Hapa and I talked about it) had already been a talking point so I can;'t exactly credit Onegue for "making a read." The second reason is that Onegu never said anything about dropping debears as a scumread. I think this is pretty fishy, at best it's null.

The second example is far more damning. It relates to yet again, Onegu having a scumread and not considering that read as a lynch option. Here is what Onegu had to say about Hopeless. I think this was around the time when Onegu returned from a moderate posting break.

On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:
Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum.



"Hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum."

What do you do when someone has a good chance of flipping scum? You lynch them! What does Onegu do?

On August 30 2013 16:16 Onegu wrote:
Anyway I have a doctors appointment, and am then going to celebrated my birthday belatedly, when I get back I will look into syl and everyone else. Wtf are you doing FT? Do something or die.

##VOTE:FirmTofu


This post happened 30 minutes after Onegu can be quoted saying that "hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What else does Onegu have to say about Hopeless?

On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:
On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote

Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.

For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.

Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum.



It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid.


This obviously came after hopeless dropped out. Onegu's point is that we shouldn't give Alakaslam any leeway for being a replacement. If this is truly Onegu's opinion then I would expect him to still be vocal about considering an Alakaslam lynch, which he wasn't. He made several posts about Hopeless's scumminess throughout D1, but he never showed any interest in lynching him. The same thing goes for the debears read, although that is tricker due to Onegu's non-confirmable explanation.

Summary:

Onegu is not pushing candidates that line up with his scumreads. There was the weirdness with debears, and the multiple instances of Onegu saying that Hopeless is a good lynch, but when it's time to pick a candidate Onegue settles for FT. When Onegu made this decision FT had all of two posts. Why would a townie think one player has a good chance of flipping scum, but then decide to lynch a coinflip lurker who has 2 posts?



How am I not pushing my scum reads I also said FT had a good chance to flip scum, then he came back and placed his vote down with no reason, he deserved to die for his play it was scummy. And when I first unvoted him I was decideing between syl and alakaslam. Then FT made the vote with no backup after I said if he comes back my vote will go right back on him.


Saying that FT had a good chance to flip mafia is worthless if you don't back it up with an explanation. I asked you for an explanation and you posted things such as:

On August 30 2013 16:52 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 16:42 Tutankoopa wrote:
He should be lynched instead of anyone else? How many hrs will you be away?



I hate letting lurkers into lylo especially ones that are somewhat scummy. But maybe not today for him as I also think hopeless looks bad, and I havent looked at syl close yet. Ill be gone maybe 4-6 hours. But he really needs to do something.


On August 30 2013 16:39 Onegu wrote:
I think he should be lynched as hasnt done much of anything, this reminds me of DI in NWM when he flipped mafia but I guess that was DI meta. I just want him to do something so we can get a betterread on him. But after rayne had me go and read some of his other filters he looks slightly scummy for his first post. But really not have time to expqnd more on this yet.


I don't see your reasoning for thinking that FT had a good chance to flip mafia? How could he have? He had two posts. What was going on in your head at the time? What specific reasons did you have for thinking FT was mafia at that exact moment in the thread? I don't see how you could have possibly been more confident in your FT read than in your Hopeless read or any other read.

Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 02:49 GMT
#1235
On August 31 2013 11:45 Sylencia wrote:
The one I'm currently worried about though is Slam, look at this filter coming into this game - absolute spam :|


Yeah. I think they are both mafia. I also think there's nothing that can be said about Alakaslam until he starts posting reads so I'd rather talk about Onegu until then.
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 03:18 GMT
#1237
Meta on somebody who had posted twice?

That's the core of the issue. I mean... I have a hard time believing you had a real read on FT.
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 03:36 GMT
#1239
On August 31 2013 12:33 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 12:18 Tutankoopa wrote:
Meta on somebody who had posted twice?

That's the core of the issue. I mean... I have a hard time believing you had a real read on FT.



So you think rayne is scum?


What? No, I've not said this. How is this relevant?
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 03:43 GMT
#1242
Last time I checked, you're not rayn.

I don't know if I care if there was any merit to whatever meta reasons you were talking about. (Btw, please explain them because I didn't follow the first time I saw rayn bring them up.) FT had 2 posts. Do you know how many town-explanations there are for somebody posting twice and then afking? Have you never seen that before? Yeah, meta could have meant he was scum, but that was nowhere close to being more likely than any town-based explanation for his actions.
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 04:31 GMT
#1244
On August 31 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 11:45 Sylencia wrote:
The one I'm currently worried about though is Slam, look at this filter coming into this game - absolute spam :|

BUT I'm vt. So if you don't want me to spam I can slow it down.

.


It's not frequency, it's content.
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 04:55 GMT
#1246
Why don't you read the last 10 posts or so, the answer's there.
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 04:58 GMT
#1247
Oats why did rayn say that you two are masons?
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 10:05 GMT
#1256
On August 31 2013 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So i fucked up by leaving my keys in when going to smoke a cigarrette and could not get back in..
Okay Onegu's explanations make no sense to me. Especially his reasons for voting FT.


better than me. just burnt two holes in my shirt out smoking

also what is your stance on marv post lynch. i'm hoping for more than a fakeclaim as a response
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 23:03 GMT
#1342
##vote: onegu

Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
August 31 2013 23:11 GMT
#1345
my med dosage got fucked up and i only slept 5 out of the last 80 hours. i'm off it now so i'm probably gonna crash soon and sleep till who knows when

<afk>
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
September 01 2013 02:01 GMT
#1415
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
September 02 2013 00:10 GMT
#1513
Before I try to figure this out, can anyone explain why all the role speculation makes any sense? All the "evidence" I see is debears claiming a roleblock and rayn claiming he was shot. How does that lead to some setup with multiple vets or whatever people are talking about? And why are we giving any weight to rayn's claim?

On September 02 2013 06:19 Hapahauli wrote:
What do you make of the Rayn/Dibbers stuff?


I wasn't concerned about debears before the claim, there's nothing off putting about the claim so I don't see a reason to examine it further. I don't know why people are putting any stock in anything rayn claims. Is there evidence beyond reasonable doubt that he's telling the truth this time? I don't think his shennanigans make him mafia, the only way I see rayn as mafia is if Oats is scum. Then there would be a legitimate mafia motivation for Rayn claiming mason. I don't think Oats is scum though, so...

Hapa I plan on being in the thread for a long time starting later this evening. I'd rather talk then in live conversation. Did you really not understand my onegu case? I read your questions last night but I didn't know how to respond because I didn't know what to make of your post. I'm also curious as to why you are reading me incorrectly.

Rayn, I want to know your reads on me from right before, during, and after my posts about Onegu.

I also want to hear from anyone that disagrees with my case, or has a different reason for thinking Onegu is town.

Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
September 02 2013 01:07 GMT
#1521
On September 02 2013 09:30 sciberbia wrote:
it just doesn't make a lot of sense for him to lie if he is town

so are his other claims true?
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
September 02 2013 02:16 GMT
#1525
On September 02 2013 11:02 sciberbia wrote:
@TK/yamato
Are you guys still here? Where is everybdoy?

@alakaspam
You especially need to get in the thread and start posting some reads.

@hapa
Who would you rather lynch between Oats and yamato? I think they're both scum.



Sure lets talk about Oats. People have been questioning his flip flop but there's an explanation he gave in his D1 filter that's currently being overlooked. Did or do you know what it is?
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
September 02 2013 03:44 GMT
#1527
He said he thought I'm town because he thought he knew who I am. Do you think this is a justification that scum would make up? It suggests that he was trying to figure out my alignment. I believe he was talking to marv.
Tutankoopa
Profile Joined August 2013
United States145 Posts
September 02 2013 04:05 GMT
#1535
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu


TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?

As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?


From reading his D1 filter, does it look like he had legitimate reasons to favor the FT read? Consider the size of FT's filter up till the moment Onegu placed the vote. Does it not seem weird to you that he was confident in that read enough to follow through with a lynch? The story doesn't make any sense to me.
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