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On September 09 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch myrzeth they are scummy, as i see it it's pretty much mylo right know as even if the replacements are scum they are fresh players and our reads on them will be so wifomy that we won't have any clue if they are scum or not so we need to lynch the people we have information on, myrzeth is looking scummy but hasn't said anything for us to determine whether he is scum or not. In that regard i think we should lynch someone on the ray bandwagon like i said and i feel that killer is too towny to lynch and umasi im undecided on so that only really leaves lone?
I don't like the logic of this post. Maybe I've just misunderstood it though.
You're saying it's mylo because unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're going to end up in a situation tomorrow with potentiallly 3 players, (myrzeth, pharcyd3 replacement and koshi) who haven't said shit. Therefore, unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're done tomorrow. (sorry if I misunderstood.)
The issue i have with that is, if you're afraid of being in a situation where people haven't spoken enough, why on earth do you not want to lynch myrzeth. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, and he's mafia, then we have breathing room and can use the extra time to find mafia. If he's town we're in mylo tomorrow (or lylo if velocity gets modkilled) but with 1-2 less quiet people complicating everything.
If we lynch someone else and they're mafia, we gain an extra turn or two to get reads/lynch myrzeth (if he's still afk.)
If we lynch someone else and they're town, we're in lylo/mylo tomorrow, except we will have 2 or 3 people who we have no reads on, instead of 1-2. It's a bit of a prisoners dilema situation, but I see it as, lynch a mafia tonight, good. myrzeth and he flips town, bad. Lynch someone else and they're town, worse.
Therefore you'd have to think someone is almost for sure scum to lynch them tonight in place of myrzeth. While there are scummy people here and there, I'm not sure if anyone qualifies as scummy enough.
Secondly, You're giving two of the scummier people a free pass out of being voted off. If either velocity or myrzeth are scum (and I think the chances of them both being town are pretty low) then there are only 2 mafia in the rest of the game. (worst case scenario 1 if koshi is mafia.) If koshi is mafia, then (even assuming one of infii/lonemeow is mafia) we have a 50% chance of fucking ourselves if we pick the wrong one.
I'm not we have to lynch myrzeth at all, I'm just saying I think going "whoever wants to lynch myrzeth is scum" is stupid, especially for the reasons you gave.
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I'm not sure lynching bereft/lonemeow is the best idea. Neither of them have really posted much since yesterday, and considering they read more town to me then chairman ray, and chairman ray was town, thats not enough to base a lynch off alone. If they were here I'd be all for pressuring them, to see if they bring it when it matters.
If we lynch one of them and they flip town, what is the contingency plan? We are in a day three with an inactive and two replacements, (or worse, a lylo with 1 inactive and koshi if velocity gets modkilled and was town.) And where do we go from there?
Unless you plan on never killing myrzeth, we need to get rid of him. We can't rely on hitting a mafia this round, and if we hit town, we can't risk the entire game by killing myrzeth in a mylo situation. The further into the game we go the more costly a wasted lynch gets.
Koshi, what is your reasoning for/for not killing myrzeth tonight?
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Right now it feels like all that's happening (other then holyflare and infii going back and forth) is koshi and holyflare pushing for voting for people who aren't here.
Where is everyone else? If you're reading please speak T.T
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On September 09 2013 06:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:00 killerdog wrote:
1) I'm not sure lynching bereft/lonemeow is the best idea. Neither of them have really posted much since yesterday,
2) Koshi, what is your reasoning for/for not killing myrzeth tonight? Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:01 killerdog wrote:
Right now it feels like all that's happening (other then holyflare and infii going back and forth) 3) is koshi and holyflare pushing for voting for people who aren't here.
Where is everyone else? If you're reading please speak T.T O rly? You going to blame us for pushing people that can't defend themselves? Have you even read your cases?
I've stated my reasons for not wanting to vote for bereft/lonemeow unless we're sure they're scum already. And given this is a newbie game, they could easily have been just suspicious town play (as evidenced by chairman ray.) I would much prefer to at least have a chance to see them respond to the accusations, and make a judgement then.
Have you been reading my posts?
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On September 09 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 05:42 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch myrzeth they are scummy, as i see it it's pretty much mylo right know as even if the replacements are scum they are fresh players and our reads on them will be so wifomy that we won't have any clue if they are scum or not so we need to lynch the people we have information on, myrzeth is looking scummy but hasn't said anything for us to determine whether he is scum or not. In that regard i think we should lynch someone on the ray bandwagon like i said and i feel that killer is too towny to lynch and umasi im undecided on so that only really leaves lone? I don't like the logic of this post. Maybe I've just misunderstood it though. You're saying it's mylo because unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're going to end up in a situation tomorrow with potentiallly 3 players, (myrzeth, pharcyd3 replacement and koshi) who haven't said shit. Therefore, unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're done tomorrow. (sorry if I misunderstood.) The issue i have with that is, if you're afraid of being in a situation where people haven't spoken enough, why on earth do you not want to lynch myrzeth. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, and he's mafia, then we have breathing room and can use the extra time to find mafia. If he's town we're in mylo tomorrow (or lylo if velocity gets modkilled) but with 1-2 less quiet people complicating everything. If we lynch someone else and they're mafia, we gain an extra turn or two to get reads/lynch myrzeth (if he's still afk.) If we lynch someone else and they're town, we're in lylo/mylo tomorrow, except we will have 2 or 3 people who we have no reads on, instead of 1-2. It's a bit of a prisoners dilema situation, but I see it as, lynch a mafia tonight, good. myrzeth and he flips town, bad. Lynch someone else and they're town, worse. Therefore you'd have to think someone is almost for sure scum to lynch them tonight in place of myrzeth. While there are scummy people here and there, I'm not sure if anyone qualifies as scummy enough. Secondly, You're giving two of the scummier people a free pass out of being voted off. If either velocity or myrzeth are scum (and I think the chances of them both being town are pretty low) then there are only 2 mafia in the rest of the game. (worst case scenario 1 if koshi is mafia.) If koshi is mafia, then (even assuming one of infii/lonemeow is mafia) we have a 50% chance of fucking ourselves if we pick the wrong one. I'm not we have to lynch myrzeth at all, I'm just saying I think going "whoever wants to lynch myrzeth is scum" is stupid, especially for the reasons you gave. Here is your previous post again. tldr: lynch people who don't talk much.
So why are you so against lynching myrzeth?
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On September 09 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:09 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote:On September 09 2013 05:42 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch myrzeth they are scummy, as i see it it's pretty much mylo right know as even if the replacements are scum they are fresh players and our reads on them will be so wifomy that we won't have any clue if they are scum or not so we need to lynch the people we have information on, myrzeth is looking scummy but hasn't said anything for us to determine whether he is scum or not. In that regard i think we should lynch someone on the ray bandwagon like i said and i feel that killer is too towny to lynch and umasi im undecided on so that only really leaves lone? I don't like the logic of this post. Maybe I've just misunderstood it though. You're saying it's mylo because unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're going to end up in a situation tomorrow with potentiallly 3 players, (myrzeth, pharcyd3 replacement and koshi) who haven't said shit. Therefore, unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're done tomorrow. (sorry if I misunderstood.) The issue i have with that is, if you're afraid of being in a situation where people haven't spoken enough, why on earth do you not want to lynch myrzeth. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, and he's mafia, then we have breathing room and can use the extra time to find mafia. If he's town we're in mylo tomorrow (or lylo if velocity gets modkilled) but with 1-2 less quiet people complicating everything. If we lynch someone else and they're mafia, we gain an extra turn or two to get reads/lynch myrzeth (if he's still afk.) If we lynch someone else and they're town, we're in lylo/mylo tomorrow, except we will have 2 or 3 people who we have no reads on, instead of 1-2. It's a bit of a prisoners dilema situation, but I see it as, lynch a mafia tonight, good. myrzeth and he flips town, bad. Lynch someone else and they're town, worse. Therefore you'd have to think someone is almost for sure scum to lynch them tonight in place of myrzeth. While there are scummy people here and there, I'm not sure if anyone qualifies as scummy enough. Secondly, You're giving two of the scummier people a free pass out of being voted off. If either velocity or myrzeth are scum (and I think the chances of them both being town are pretty low) then there are only 2 mafia in the rest of the game. (worst case scenario 1 if koshi is mafia.) If koshi is mafia, then (even assuming one of infii/lonemeow is mafia) we have a 50% chance of fucking ourselves if we pick the wrong one. I'm not we have to lynch myrzeth at all, I'm just saying I think going "whoever wants to lynch myrzeth is scum" is stupid, especially for the reasons you gave. Here is your previous post again. tldr: lynch people who don't talk much. So why are you so against lynching myrzeth? I am not against it. I found scum in bereft and want to lynch him over a nullread.
Alternate scenario then, we lynch myrzeth tonight, when he gets back you will have a ton of time to pressure the shit out of him, and if you still think he's mafia after that, lynch him.
Myrzeth is mafia, it's a win, yay. We can basically do whatever you want tomorrow with impunity because the risk of mylo is gone.
Myrzeth isn't mafia, then one of two things happens.
Bereft isn't mafia. + Show Spoiler +If we lynch bereft tonight + Show Spoiler +If he isn't mafia and we lynch him tonight, we're in a shitty situation tomorrow, we'll have 3 people out of 8 remaining on whom we have basically nothing besides wifom info, in a lynch or lose situation, and we'll basically have to risk the game on (what currently looks like) infii heavenz or lonemeow. If it happens that the mafia is some combination which doesn't include any of them, then we've basically lost unless some blue comes in and saves the day. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, + Show Spoiler + we're in a similar situation tomorrow, except minus one lurker, plus one posting person. Furthermore, he gets a chance to try and defend himself, (and remember theres at least a 20% chance that he's a blue role if he's town) and on the off chance he manages to convince you, we haven't killed someone just because they didn't get to defend themselves.
Bereft is mafia. + Show Spoiler +Obviously if we lynch him tonight that's great, but if we lynch myrzeth tonight, we get into day3 with a target to go after, and one lurker gone. You get to grill him, we have potential blues come out with information and unless he somehow manages to convince you of his innocence, and our blues are useless, we should manage to find a mafia then.
And this is all ignoring the fact that myrzeth is probably scum at this point. If there's a town based thought process behind the shit he's put us through I would love to hear it.
But most annoying of all, you've come into the game, tunnelled onto who you think is mafia and ignored several of my posts which implicitly disagreed with lynching bereft tonight without him being here. I finally get your attention when i basically come out and imply that you and holyflare are acting scummy, and you're only comment is to call my reads shitty and say my logic is bad.
This is a newbie mafia, I know I'm probably not the best at this game, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to follow you because you've played it more. I have no way of knowing you're not scum, and you've just come in, started a huge lynch train on bereft, and refused to respond to my points past blanket calling them stupid.
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On September 09 2013 06:30 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:On September 09 2013 06:09 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote:On September 09 2013 05:42 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch myrzeth they are scummy, as i see it it's pretty much mylo right know as even if the replacements are scum they are fresh players and our reads on them will be so wifomy that we won't have any clue if they are scum or not so we need to lynch the people we have information on, myrzeth is looking scummy but hasn't said anything for us to determine whether he is scum or not. In that regard i think we should lynch someone on the ray bandwagon like i said and i feel that killer is too towny to lynch and umasi im undecided on so that only really leaves lone? I don't like the logic of this post. Maybe I've just misunderstood it though. You're saying it's mylo because unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're going to end up in a situation tomorrow with potentiallly 3 players, (myrzeth, pharcyd3 replacement and koshi) who haven't said shit. Therefore, unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're done tomorrow. (sorry if I misunderstood.) The issue i have with that is, if you're afraid of being in a situation where people haven't spoken enough, why on earth do you not want to lynch myrzeth. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, and he's mafia, then we have breathing room and can use the extra time to find mafia. If he's town we're in mylo tomorrow (or lylo if velocity gets modkilled) but with 1-2 less quiet people complicating everything. If we lynch someone else and they're mafia, we gain an extra turn or two to get reads/lynch myrzeth (if he's still afk.) If we lynch someone else and they're town, we're in lylo/mylo tomorrow, except we will have 2 or 3 people who we have no reads on, instead of 1-2. It's a bit of a prisoners dilema situation, but I see it as, lynch a mafia tonight, good. myrzeth and he flips town, bad. Lynch someone else and they're town, worse. Therefore you'd have to think someone is almost for sure scum to lynch them tonight in place of myrzeth. While there are scummy people here and there, I'm not sure if anyone qualifies as scummy enough. Secondly, You're giving two of the scummier people a free pass out of being voted off. If either velocity or myrzeth are scum (and I think the chances of them both being town are pretty low) then there are only 2 mafia in the rest of the game. (worst case scenario 1 if koshi is mafia.) If koshi is mafia, then (even assuming one of infii/lonemeow is mafia) we have a 50% chance of fucking ourselves if we pick the wrong one. I'm not we have to lynch myrzeth at all, I'm just saying I think going "whoever wants to lynch myrzeth is scum" is stupid, especially for the reasons you gave. Here is your previous post again. tldr: lynch people who don't talk much. So why are you so against lynching myrzeth? I am not against it. I found scum in bereft and want to lynch him over a nullread. Alternate scenario then, we lynch myrzeth tonight, when he gets back you will have a ton of time to pressure the shit out of him, and if you still think he's mafia after that, lynch him. Myrzeth is mafia, it's a win, yay. We can basically do whatever you want tomorrow with impunity because the risk of mylo is gone. Myrzeth isn't mafia, then one of two things happens. Bereft isn't mafia. + Show Spoiler +If we lynch bereft tonight + Show Spoiler +If he isn't mafia and we lynch him tonight, we're in a shitty situation tomorrow, we'll have 3 people out of 8 remaining on whom we have basically nothing besides wifom info, in a lynch or lose situation, and we'll basically have to risk the game on (what currently looks like) infii heavenz or lonemeow. If it happens that the mafia is some combination which doesn't include any of them, then we've basically lost unless some blue comes in and saves the day. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, + Show Spoiler + we're in a similar situation tomorrow, except minus one lurker, plus one posting person. Furthermore, he gets a chance to try and defend himself, (and remember theres at least a 20% chance that he's a blue role if he's town) and on the off chance he manages to convince you, we haven't killed someone just because they didn't get to defend themselves. Bereft is mafia. + Show Spoiler +Obviously if we lynch him tonight that's great, but if we lynch myrzeth tonight, we get into day3 with a target to go after, and one lurker gone. You get to grill him, we have potential blues come out with information and unless he somehow manages to convince you of his innocence, and our blues are useless, we should manage to find a mafia then. And this is all ignoring the fact that myrzeth is probably scum at this point. If there's a town based thought process behind the shit he's put us through I would love to hear it. But most annoying of all, you've come into the game, tunnelled onto who you think is mafia and ignored several of my posts which implicitly disagreed with lynching bereft tonight without him being here. I finally get your attention when i basically come out and imply that you and holyflare are acting scummy, and you're only comment is to call my reads shitty and say my logic is bad. This is a newbie mafia, I know I'm probably not the best at this game, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to follow you because you've played it more. I have no way of knowing you're not scum, and you've just come in, started a huge lynch train on bereft, and refused to respond to my points past blanket calling them stupid. ...
Not to mention pretty much all the people you've accused aren't even here to say a single word to defend themselves.
I don't know if you over or underestimated how good i am at mafia if you expect me to follow with bereft at this point. But you haven't convinced me.
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There's just misinformation and suspicion flying everywhere right now. I'm gonna stick to what I felt was the best play since day 1, and go for myrzeth. He's useless and the longer he stays in the harder it's going to be justifying a vote to get rid of him.
If you have some super watertight case against someone else then I might follow you, but with 25 minutes to go, and what feel like three different philosophies clashing. I'm gonna stick to my own reads.
##vote myrzeth
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On September 09 2013 06:36 Umasi wrote:
I'll go bonkers if we lynch killerdog, and I'm obv town.
##UNVOTE
##LONEMEOW
At this point, my doubts about you aren't gone infii, but I think it's pretty obvious Lonemeow has been playing a different game than the rest of us for a while now.
I see you're point, It's just when the town doesn't feel like it's working together, (right now for example) I don't want to go lynching someone who hasn't defended themselves. And he hasn't even responded to anything today.
Besides Lonemeow hasn't voted yet, so he's gonna get modkilled if he doesn't show up in the next 20 minutes anyway.
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On September 09 2013 06:42 infii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:40 Umasi wrote:
voting for myrz feels like a total crapshot, I think everyone should reconsider a lonemeow lynch :| I hear you but I'm rather reconsidering lynching you. So far me and Koshi would be down to lynch Umasi, anyone else?
Fuck no, we're not starting a lynch train on the one person who almost everyone has felt was town all game in the last 15 minutes of a lynch timer, just because the guy who just appeared late day 2 and railroaded everything said he thought he was scummy.
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On September 09 2013 06:43 Umasi wrote:
he was present about twenty minutes ago
oh crap, you're right. I hadn't f5'ed my tab which has his filter on since before that.
Lone meow, if you're here please come and defend yourself NOW!
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On September 09 2013 06:44 infii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:43 killerdog wrote:On September 09 2013 06:42 infii wrote:On September 09 2013 06:40 Umasi wrote:
voting for myrz feels like a total crapshot, I think everyone should reconsider a lonemeow lynch :| I hear you but I'm rather reconsidering lynching you. So far me and Koshi would be down to lynch Umasi, anyone else? Fuck no, we're not starting a lynch train on the one person who almost everyone has felt was town all game in the last 15 minutes of a lynch timer, just because the guy who just appeared late day 2 and railroaded everything said he thought he was scummy. Don't know about you but I never thought he was town.
I agree that he's not 100% town, noone is, but you can't disagree that he's been cited by quite a few people as being one of the townier people in the game. I agree that everyone should be under suspicion, I have my own suspicions of a few things he's done, and we can have this conversation when it's the right time and place. Early in the day and with time to thouroughly analyse any claims is the time for that. Not with 10 minutes to go on the lynch timer.
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On September 09 2013 06:46 Koshi wrote:
I don't call your post stupid. You contradict yourself. I point that out.
btw. You have been in this game for 100 hours. And your only idea is to lynch a nullread?
Which are the other 2 pesons you would like to lynch killerdog?
I was orignally going to want to go on lonemeow and velocity tonight, but then velocity left, lonemeow hasn't been pressured at all.
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well this is wonderful -.-
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##unvote
##vote lonemeow
Ok I'm not sticking on him when heavenz does that out of nowhere. This has all totally fallen apart but I'm throwing my eggs into you're basket for this lynch umasi, please be right.
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On September 09 2013 06:54 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
oh my god, you're actually lynching umasi with no case posts at all? Do you want to make this game that easy for lynching you? I can consider consolidating. What do you think of Umasi?
I asked you this in an earlier post, considering everything about this vote is screwed anyway, can you answer?
heavenz [spoiler] As I said earlier, Show nested quote +On September 08 2013 14:08 killerdog wrote:Final thoughts, I still don't like heavenz dumping his vote at the last second. His reasoning in the thread was On September 06 2013 06:58 heavenz wrote:
f´´k it, I go safe before my vote is wasted.
##unvote
##vote myrezth
I just wanted to have stated my seriousness on you blurry. What does "I go safe" even mean, and how is putting your vote on myrzeth, guy who is currently at 2 votes compared to ray's 5, any less of a "waste" then leaving it on blurry. I'd love some clarification on that. If he's already mentioned it, apologies, but I couldn't see it on his filter. The only recent post he has basically feels like him saying he has no idea what's going on and apologising for it. (which also felt a bit wierd.) Anyway, I'm off to sleep. I'd very much like a clarification of his vote-post, which confuses me, and for him to join in the discussion. He has only posted twice day 2, once saying he's confused and once with philosophical thoughts of how myrzeth/koshi/velocity mafia basically screws us.
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Lonemeow vote/defend yourself PLEASE!!!
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On September 09 2013 06:57 Bereft wrote:
rationale: i've wanted LV gone this entire time. nothing has changed.
koshi didn't replace LV, he replaced pharcyd3
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On September 09 2013 07:12 Holyflare wrote:
this is game over why are we playing?
1. Umasi
2. Infii
3. heavenz
4. killerdog
6. Bereft
8. HolyFlare
11. LoneMeow
are left, 3 are mafia so unless doctor saves someone it's game over tomorrow.
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