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On August 24 2013 02:51 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 24 2013 02:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
I wouldn't mind lynching Koshi only its literally impossible for Koshi to be scum and rayn to be town unless: Koshi is scum, claimed Self Aware Miller, then got Framed to green by a scum ally so that (get this) any check on him would give away that he lied from the very start of the game.
Or I suppose rayn got framed to red or is a NSAM but I don't buy there being a SAM and NSAM in the same game and I don't buy a scumteam involving Koshi (who has yet to seriously disagree with rayn the entire game) FRAMING rayn. It would make koshi look bad if rayn gets red checked.
So basically as far as I'm concerned there is 0 reason to lynch Koshi over rayn. So Snoman, if koshi had a green check on any day, is he scum? I'd assume he was framed since nobody in their right minds claims SAM as a role that shows green to cop checks. That doesn't really affect his alignment. It would actually look good for Koshi since it seems unlikely that scum would frame themselves to green after claiming red.
wrong conclusion.
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On August 24 2013 03:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:51 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 24 2013 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 24 2013 02:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
I wouldn't mind lynching Koshi only its literally impossible for Koshi to be scum and rayn to be town unless: Koshi is scum, claimed Self Aware Miller, then got Framed to green by a scum ally so that (get this) any check on him would give away that he lied from the very start of the game.
Or I suppose rayn got framed to red or is a NSAM but I don't buy there being a SAM and NSAM in the same game and I don't buy a scumteam involving Koshi (who has yet to seriously disagree with rayn the entire game) FRAMING rayn. It would make koshi look bad if rayn gets red checked.
So basically as far as I'm concerned there is 0 reason to lynch Koshi over rayn. So Snoman, if koshi had a green check on any day, is he scum? I'd assume he was framed since nobody in their right minds claims SAM as a role that shows green to cop checks. That doesn't really affect his alignment. It would actually look good for Koshi since it seems unlikely that scum would frame themselves to green after claiming red. wrong conclusion.
Then what is your conclusion?
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that koshi is definitely town
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On August 24 2013 03:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
that koshi is definitely town
On August 24 2013 02:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
In other words, it would make Koshi look very very good although now that it has been discussed scum has figured this out too and it becomes WIFOM. Hell they may have thought it through N0 for all I know.
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I'm going to run through a list of possibilities of what could have happened regarding the rayn/koshi situation.
What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.
Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.
What we need to be doing now is evaluating the probability of each of these respective outcomes and deciding whether a lynch into one of these two players will yield scum.
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Also its entirely hypothetical unless rayn flips town and in that case its still hypothetical because rayn says he believes HE was framed. Or unless you wish to claim alignment cop and got a green check on Koshi last night (you may wish to save that claim for the morning though for obvious reasons).
Even in that circumstance Koshi BEING town doesn't mean rayn is.
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Personally, I think we should vig rayn and pursue a lynch on an alternative target for Day 2. This will be a lot more constructive for us in the long run because the rayn issue will be essentially resolved and will leave room for discussion about other things.
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EBWOP I was talking to oats still
@FT: they could both just be scum no framing involved.
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Oh, I forgot scenarios where Koshi is framed. Let me make a new post.
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If you wish to vig rayn I'm super down for that. Wish I had boolets or something.
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On August 24 2013 03:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
EBWOP I was talking to oats still
@FT: they could both just be scum no framing involved.
Yeah that too. I'll add that in.
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PPS rayn godfather is also possible lets not leave those out.
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Revised Outcomes
What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.
Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum.
Did I miss anything?
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On August 24 2013 03:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
PPS rayn godfather is also possible lets not leave those out.
oh shit, I forgot about that role. ><
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On August 24 2013 03:20 FirmTofu wrote:
Revised Outcomes
What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.
Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum.
Did I miss anything?
What's the point of this post, everyone knows that.
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Rayn has 6 possibilities: Town, Town but framed, Town but miller, Scum, Scum but framed, GF.
Koshi really only has: SAM, SAM Framed, Scum. I'm discounting Scum Framed atm.
SO:
RAYN | KOSHI
scum | scum
scum | SAM
town | SAM framed
town framed | SAM
town framed | scum
GF | SAM framed
town miller | SAM
town miller | scum
I think thats it lol. Rayn can't be framed scum since koshi then couldn't be framed.
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Revised Outcomes 2.0
What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.
Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum.
Scenario 7: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is scum.
Scenario 8: Rayn is GF. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Did I miss anything?
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Why do you post those fucking things? How does that help anyone?
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well TL.net trims out extra spaces apparently.
Isn't it obvious that at least rayn is scum out of this?
Er, actually rayn could be a town miller not self aware and Koshi could be scum didn't think of that. Seems unlikely.
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