I started to read through Sn0's filter but I think that's going to require some actual thought and a little more time on my part.
In the meantime since Geript so nicely brought up that my 'let's not talk N0' post was bullshit, guess what?
It was.
I didn't really have much of an overarching plan going into that post but I did want to see how various people reacted to it.
Geript brings up a good point about Crazy---problem is he's apparently new (at least to TL, I don't know about mafia in general).
Fuba sees right through me though, and I fucking love playing with this guy.
On August 21 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
@WoS: I assume you're implying that you breadcrumbed something about your role (which I would presume is veteran, due to the emphasis on rayn wanting a shot used on you), and you believe rayn found it and is trying to take advantage of that situation to get rid of a vig shot (if there is one), the veteran (if you are it), and your usual town play in one night. I guess you could be any blue role in this situation, but since you emphasized rayn wanting you shot (as opposed to lynched tomorrow) I guessed veteran. I probably overlooked something, but I try (with limited success) to not speculate on things I have no way of knowing.
Hot/cold?
What are your thoughts on Rainbows?
He's sort of got the thought process right, though with a few details that are wrong.
First of all I didn't breadcrumb anything: I will claim right here.
I am sadly but a simple VT.
My play though certainly looked like blue play, wouldn't you say? As a blue I certainly don't want to draw attention to myself on the first night so I can put whatever ability I've got to good use---I suppose in that way you could call my 'not talking at night' post a breadcrumb, albeit a fake one.
I make my post and the thread direction abruptly changes---Rayn begins to incessantly push me from that point on.
On August 20 2013 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game?
What's different about the way I'm acting in this game and in that one thus far?
In CCM you understood that the correct way is not to not talk at all on N0. Why do you suggest it again now?
Show me how my play is different from my play in CC, Rayn.
Did I ever mention anything about changing my mind when I made the 'let's not talk' statement in CC?
Hell, did I ever even mention it again?
It's not the point that you changed your mind in CCM.
The point is that you DID change your mind in CCM. I think townies learn from their mistakes (as it was a mistake to make the suggestion in CCM). It does not mean shit what you do now after you said we should not talk. The point is
Why are you suggesting a same anti-town idea you mistakenly did in another game - why are you doing the same mistake you should have learned from in the last game? The fact that you assume I haven't learned is disturbing to me, Rayn.
What do you think of Koshi, Rayn?
No, seriously. Why did you suggest that we should not talk? Why are you avoiding the question? I can clearly show from your filter in CCM that you did start scumhunting on N0 when hosts told you also roles can start acting then. You clearly thought you were wrong and staerted acting in the correct manner as town. Why are you proposing the same anti-town idea here again? Just answer me and do not run in circles around the question.
I have no good read on Koshi yet.
Why am I avoiding the question? Not only do I not want to reveal my mini-gambit this early as it is generating good discussion (and not only do I doubt a tunnely Rayn would even bother to believe me at this point since it is apparent in thread that he has 'found scum'), but I don't want to explain it's because I as a 'blue' do not want my identity revealed.
Now Rayn is a smart player. He knows something is up obviously. The thing is, what he is doing?
It's
scum bluefishing. Not scumhunting.
This is exactly why he calls for a vig shot---if he can paint the blue towny as scum then the scumteam doesn't even have to waste a shot. If I'm vet they can RB me and I'll die as well.
Have doubts that he is scum simply bluefishing under the guise of tunnel town?
On August 21 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If WoS claims something shoot him regardless. That does not make him town.
I have no blue role to claim but he has already thought ahead of time that I will attempt to use it to get myself out long before it is necessary.
He knows exactly what I was thinking with my earlier comment. His joke of a case (which basically amounts to me being mad at me for not answering him lolol) is a sham to hide the fact that he expected me to defend myself with the defense he listed at the bottom of his case, when in fact that is an absolutely shit defense and he would have very likely called me out on it for such.
On August 21 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is why
WaveofShadow is mafia:
This is one of the first posts from him in CCM:
Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
I also don't think I've ever played with a N0 before. Can't remember.
Will there be a mafia NK tonight aside from possible power role use?
Because if so why are we giving mafia possible targets by talking..? (I guess they could probably knock off known strong players anyway but still.)
(Here is a link to the post for the following:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407685¤tpage=11#210 )
After that, when hosts confirm that roles can also act on N0, WoS retracts from his stance and starts scumhunting. If you read the game from that point on it can clearly be seen.
This is what i call WoS out for:
Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game?
WoS does not want to answer me, he keeps dodging the question, and this is all i get out of him:
Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game?
What's different about the way I'm acting in this game and in that one thus far?
In CCM you understood that the correct way is not to not talk at all on N0. Why do you suggest it again now?
Show me how my play is different from my play in CC, Rayn.
Did I ever mention anything about changing my mind when I made the 'let's not talk' statement in CC?
Hell, did I ever even mention it again?
Look at the answer.
He is saying "look, i am playing to my town meta as i played the same way in CCM".The answer i was looking for (in case he was town was in this post (from CCM):
Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.
This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.
This is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour.
Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again?Answer is:
- Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game".
- He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough.
- If he was town he could, should and would explain himself.Lynch D1. Or better, vig N0.
Why would I use the exact same explanation for a bad post in a second game when he himself says he expects that I should have learned from the first time I did it? Ridiculous.
Another point I have already stated earlier---the way he was playing when he stated he was going to ignore me and everything I say because I didn't take him up on the chances he gave me---is that good town play in any way?
The post is a little disjointed but everything in here points to
Rayn scum.Discuss accordingly, especially those of you who view Rayn to be town. DP I'm looking at you.
EPT
. The point I was trying to get to was I felt that geript was jumping the gun a bit by dropping his vote on me. I was of the mind that the catalyst may have been me expressing some doubts about him and that he took it too personally which tends to be a Shadow tell. A few other people harassed him lightly as well though so I can't go too far down that line of thought. 
