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On August 25 2013 11:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I HAVE A RED CHECK ON VAYNE. KOSHI AND YAmATO GO ALL IN IAMMMMMMMMMMMMMM NOTEREDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!
for no reason .... t_T kill after vayne, plz.
On August 25 2013 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne, koshi, yamato.. ggyo!
Might have misread these posts. Who the hell knows.
Six pages of absolutely nothing...
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On August 25 2013 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 12:37 mkfuba07 wrote:On August 25 2013 11:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I HAVE A RED CHECK ON VAYNE. KOSHI AND YAmATO GO ALL IN IAMMMMMMMMMMMMMM NOTEREDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!
for no reason .... t_T kill after vayne, plz. On August 25 2013 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne, koshi, yamato.. ggyo! Might have misread these posts. Who the hell knows. Six pages of absolutely nothing... Why are you so fucking eager to tell people right öojalsfjölafsjöafsafslhnafsjafsjöl I just wanna lynch mkfuba.
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What do you mean?
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On August 25 2013 15:22 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Something is not right. Why is there only 1 death? This was a huge slip! Rayn says it immediately after the the D1 post when just DP was killed. As soon as 2 people point out that 1 death makes sense, he backtracks because he knows he just made a huge blunder. Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually yeah, you are right. So there is no SK then.
How did he blunder?
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Alright, this is why I believe we should lynch Onegu instead of yamato today.
On August 22 2013 19:24 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 12:16 geript wrote:First off, I think the Rayn Train is just way off base and I'm going to treat him as if he's been drunk the whole day. He's likely town but not worth listening to as he's just calling people scum if they disagree with him and completely ignoring anything that's happening outside the whole "WOS IS SCUM BRO!!!!!!!! KILLLEEEEEEEETTTT" shit that's going on. On August 20 2013 21:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Damn it I was really hoping to be WaveofShadow the shadow.
So here's a question ladies. It's N0. Someone is gonna die in ~20 hours.
Why are we painting targets on ourselves this early when we don't have a lynch yet? On August 20 2013 21:47 Crazometer wrote:
Good point, I'm going to adjourn until morning. (Both irl and in game) On August 20 2013 21:52 Koshi wrote:
Shouldn't we help the town cop/doc/vigi to help pick their targets -_-
Also, my conspiracies vibes are tingling. I have a strong feeling you rolled scum but not a Shadow. I want to line up these quotes because I think it's important. This is really is really odd reaction to me. Crazy is apparently new but picks up the "Let's not post at night time and paint targets on ourselves" BS that WoS advocated. Here's why I think it's scum mentality: 1. Bland +1 without bothering to read even 5 minutes after for a clear and obvious counterpoint 2. He doesn't come in with the "don't post at night" mentality but instantly buys it. These things don't add up to me for good reason. The points Koshi brings up are automatic counterpoints in my mind; if I'm town, then I want to be able to find other town and tell the healer to heal me instead of scum; I want to tell the Vig not to shoot me and I want to tell the cop to find scum somewhere else. But having not come in with the silent night mentality some places/people advocate, he gets instantly swayed by a weak point on self preservation. That reads really, really off to me as newbie town who isn't likely going to be shot regardless. That's just a really weird mentality to take instantly from a town perspective. Talk and shit. Night Night time for me. I'll be on more tomorrow afternoon and thursday afternoon. I'll post more then. If I die, look into FT and Rayn. Rayn is only town based on activity to me and his ultra tunneling and lack of desire and will to look around really rub me wrong. @Rainbows. I want to chat with you some later if we're both on at some point so hmu. So I really dont like this post. First he soft attacks rayne for something that is not true. Rayne wasnt only focusing on WoS, he had 3 scumreads at this point. Yes most of his attention was on WoS but not all. Second he goes after craz for what I thought was a non serious post just saying he was going to sleep. The whole koshi thing I dont understand. PS I am feeling like shit, have taken more pain meds than Im supposed to and a little messed up.
Soft defends crazo while trying to make geript look scummy for accusing him.
On August 22 2013 19:32 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 18:56 Koshi wrote:the Snowman his games: Mexican Standoff mafia - Town. Full of 1 liners and an I don't give a fuck attitude. Boardwalk empire mafia - Town This is pro-town posting and I don't see the Snowman be so extreme like he is in this game. At the end he says he was happy with his game, so I don't see why he decided to be a total nutcase this game. Newbie Mini Mafia - Town cop Again superb play. Newbie Mini Mafia XXXV - Town The link brings you to the second page of his filter. Look at the first post there. Then look at the Snowman his filter this game. ___________________________________________________________________________ After filterdiving the Snowman I am sad. The guy can play superb mafia and decided to play really shitty this game. I can almost not believe that now that he rolled scum for the first time he would play like this. But why is he playing so bad? ##unvote
##vote: The SnowmanPick your shit up dude. Pick it up or scumclaim. This is terrible you just finish saying he most likely wouldnt play his first scum game this way. I am leaning scum on him but still bad reason for a vote.
Appears to just be trying to discredit Koshi while still agreeing with his conclusion. If you believe sn0 is a mislynch (which is the way I'm leaning), this looks really sketchy. It's something to point at after sn0 flips and say, "Look at when I called him out for his scummy reasoning!" Onegu hasn't even given reasons of his own for finding sn0 scummy at this point.
On August 23 2013 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok Im here just been feeling really shitty, anyways I will consolidate my case for you kush I still want answers.
##UNVOTE
Going over everything now
Unvotes his main scumread while clearly stating that he still thinks he's scummy.
On August 23 2013 14:07 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 13:46 FirmTofu wrote:On August 23 2013 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok Im here just been feeling really shitty, anyways I will consolidate my case for you kush I still want answers.
##UNVOTE
Going over everything now
Our two lynches for today are Sno_man and WoS. Ideally, we should consolidate on one so that we can prevent scum from vote-switching to save their ally right before the deadline. Two questions for you: Which one do you think is more scummy? Why? I am ok with both, I agree with rayne they are scum together but for now I prefer sno. Will go over both filters for now for make sure. Sno looks worse at this point with his cases and votes, added to his n0 play. ##VOTE:sn0_man
He's fine with lynching both, and places his vote on the one he hasn't mentioned other than to tell Koshi that he agrees sn0's scum. Says he'll go over their filters, allowing him to switch if needed.
On August 24 2013 14:57 Onegu wrote:So Im in the hospital now so this will be brief, I should be out tomorrow but not sure. So the two biggest things that stuck out to me. Im not really up for a yamato lynch. Have to go over his filter again but why wouldnt we lynch the other scummy person in sn0? Second we need to take a closer look at firmtofu there are a few reasons for this. Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 03:37 FirmTofu wrote:
My conclusion is that we should ignore the parity check and proceed with the game like it never happened. Let's get back to scumhunting instead of wasting our time with this nonsense. This post is a big reason, why would you ever ignore a red check? If we just ignore it there will always talk about it, or it will come back, makeing a even bigger waste of time. He should be vig shot or lynched otherwise town atmosphre will be completely destroyed. My scum games I am very active vayne made a post about its so much easier to play when you know everything. Firm knows this. Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 13:51 Crazometer wrote:
I agree with the sentiment that Rayns parity check is inconclusive however I wouldn't go as far as tofu suggested and discard it completely. Perhaps the other cop, should they exist, will be able to work some magic for us tonight to figure that all out. I'm curious as to what other people think the chances of the SAM claim being accurate are? I'll look through his filter now and try to produce a number.
Otherwise, sn0 and vayne are probably the most suspicious to me. The pointed out sn0 attitude flip (against other threads) just doesn't feel right, he seems to bounce around from high to low spirited too much as well. Something about Vayne doesn't smell right either so I'll look through his filter and see if anything pops up but I'll probably get what I search for. I like this post alot makes me feel better about crazy. Anyway my pain meds are kicking in. So Im out for now.
Doesn't want to lynch yamato -> we should lynch sn0 even though they're both scummy
Also, we should look at FT because he doesn't think we should give the "same" check too much weight. I agree with FT here, since scum (likely) had more control over the situation than town did. Onegu says he should be killed in some way or town atmosphere will be completely destroyed (which is a strange thing to say because I'm pretty sure we kinda broke that ourselves). He doesn't even say that FT is scum, just that the atmosphere will suffer. The "case" he presents isn't "why FT is scummy and should be lynched", it's just "Why FT should be lynched".
And again defends crazo, not stating a reason.
On August 24 2013 15:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Onegu, the "red check" isn't a red check. It's a "same check". When we have no idea about either Rayn or Koshi's alignment, it is presumptuous to assume that either of them are scum. The only correct course of action is to request a vig shot on one of them so we can determine the alignment of the other. I have already asked for this. The fact that you are unable to reason through this is deeply troubling.
Furthermore, what exactly in that post made "you feel better about Crazy"? Please explain, because there is nothing redeeming about Crazy's post. Right so you think town would claim SAM? So unless you think town would claim SAM its the exact same as a red check. And crazy post I liked because it called your post out, gave his thoughts which I thought townie, and while I want him to scum hunt and follow up on that post it made me feel townie from him.
He liked crazo's post for calling FT out, which doesn't indicate alignment. Then gives himself an out in the future, saying that he wants him to actually do townie things, but until then this non-alignment-indicative statement will suffice.
Aside from his mentions of crazo, it's hard for me to outright explain Onegu's scumminess other than to say that most of his actions appear to come from a scum mindset. He agrees with thread sentiment, while always leaving himself a way out. He appeared pretty unconcerned with who, out of sn0 and WoS, would be lynched. Some things, like setting Koshi up to look suspicious in the event of a sn0 lynch, can't be confirmed until Onegu or sn0 actually flip, but given how I feel about Onegu, sn0, and Koshi, it is convincing for me.
And ultimately, while I believe both Onegu and yamato could be scum, I'm more convinced that Onegu is, and Onegu's flip will shed more light on yamato than I believe yamato's will shed on Onegu.
##Vote: Onegu
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He's been kind of under my radar since I dropped my vote on him earlier. Something that stuck out to me was that he so quickly accepted my vig claim when it felt like he spent most of the game tunneling me. Lemme check out his filter.
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Rainbows
I was finding him townier after I dropped my case on him and he started kind of leading town towards consolidation of a lynch. However, when you get to the end of his filter for that day you see these two quotes:
On August 23 2013 13:18 Rainbows wrote:
God be damned if we're going to last minute wagon on yamato/oats/craze or some shit, Kush. Because that is NOT happening.
On August 23 2013 13:54 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 13:49 FirmTofu wrote:On August 23 2013 13:48 Rainbows wrote:On August 23 2013 13:46 FirmTofu wrote:On August 23 2013 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok Im here just been feeling really shitty, anyways I will consolidate my case for you kush I still want answers.
##UNVOTE
Going over everything now
Our two lynches for today are Sno_man and WoS. Ideally, we should consolidate on one so that we can prevent scum from vote-switching to save their ally right before the deadline. Two questions for you: Which one do you think is more scummy? Why? The problem I have here is that you are omitting Fuba. WHY? Everyone is omitting the Fuba. He has like one vote on him, bro. That vote is you. We don't want to give scum too many options this late into day. Yeah, let's lynch the people scum are already voting for. Because that's how you win games. I'm placing my Fuba vote final. If you guys want to kill WoS/Sn0 have fun. I'm saying they smell like mislynches, Sn0 a bit less than WoS but whatever. # #Vote: MkFuba07
Going through his filter, this is pretty damn strange... He says to consolidate, he says we're not going to try a last-minute wagon on someone, and then leaves his vote on me at the end of the day.
He never seems to actually respond to anything I've said (aside from my case on him earlier). I respond to him, and he ignores and keeps tunneling.
Despite this, he very quickly accepts my claim. Kush had some valid, though incorrect, theories about how I could have been fakeclaiming/know about an SK as scum. I feel they're best discredited by things in my filter. If someone believed as strongly as Rainbows appeared to that I was scum, despite everything I'd already said, then I find it strange that that person would drop that scumread so easily without going through my filter (which I have no reason to believe Rainbows has read since his initial case on me). It makes more sense for someone to drop that case, after tunneling so hard, if he knows that I'm telling the truth, though.
And as of his most recent posting, it's clear that he hasn't even been reading the thread. Then his vote jumped around between three different people in 20 minutes. Rayn->Yamato->Onegu. I'm not sure what can be gained from thinking about who he voted for (so much wifom), but based on the fact that he hasn't been reading and doesn't seem to care about who's lynched, I'd add him to the scum list.
I think something made me think he's not likely to be scum with yamato, but I didn't note it down at the time and can't go through the filter again atm. Useless speculation anyway, until one of them flips.
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Eh, I'm staying on onegu.
And regardless of how many kills happen N2, I'm still the vigi. It's literally impossible for another NK to confirm me as scum.
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Apologies for my absence. I really had nothing to say until the daypost, and I got to sleep late last night. On top of that I had a dentist appointment which I'm probably going to end up trying to sleep through the lingering effects of (this numbness drives me absolutely insane).
That rayn nk was really unexpected. I'm gonna have to think about what that could mean for a bit.
More useful thoughts (hopefully) when I'm awake in a few hours.
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I'm looking through filters, trying to get a better idea of who to vote for.
On August 28 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote:
Yeah Rainbows is town. There are a couple posts he made that are 100% town.
My good friend Mr Snowman, let's not use the fact that he tunneled townies make him scum. Because every fucking townie so far seem to have tunneled townies hardcore. (rayn, you, me)
Could someone direct me to these 100% town posts?
Also, can people take a look at geript/johnnywup's filter and tell me what they think? Particularly the bit leading up to WoS's lynch. Actually, their filters aren't that long, might as well read it all.
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So, where I'm at:
There are 4 people I believe are very likely town: myself, koshi, vayne, kush
That leaves these 5: FT, Sn0, yamato, rainbows, johnnywup
We're one mislynch away from mylo. 3 of the 5 are scum, one might be survivor.
I'm actually looking at sn0 and johnny the most. Yamato might be third on the list, not sure (I feel like he just kind of exists). What I saw when I read johnny's filter around the time of the WoS lynch was (the possibility of) scum johnny trying to distance himself from a mislynch while still forwarding it (because I thought sn0 and WoS were both town) while at the same time emphasizing his desire to lynch crazo (who was scum, but was unlikely going to be lynched that day). There's some additional things, like saying WoS is scum for voting his town read to save himself (which sn0 did as well, for a time) when johnny himself said he though Sn0 and WoS were town, the fact that he believed my claim but immediately jumped on my "scumslip", his interaction with rayn after saying he thought he was scum seemed defensive and apologetic, even while calling him suspicious, and then his "consolidation" post on onegu felt really... oddly phrased? Like, it distinctly points out a scumteam, which he then points out he's not a part of, and says he wants to avoid them messing with the lynch. He says a lot to justify his voteswitch, when he could have said almost nothing. It feels like he knew he was switching to a mislynch, and wanted to preemptively counter suspicion.
This is where it becomes somewhat of a pre-flip association case. I asked for other peoples' opinion of johnny so that some of my town reads could tell me if I was just seeing what I wanted to see or not. Sn0 commented on it, however, which is somewhat convenient in that if ANY townie would see what I was talking about regarding johnny and the WoS lynch, it would have been Sn0. He is the ONLY ONE who knows that he is town, so I would expect him to be suspicious of the fact that johnny said frequently that he wanted to lynch crazo, but ended up going along with town's plan of lynching between WoS and Sn0 (his town reads). Town Sn0 KNOWS that johnny passed on his scum read to vote between two townies. Based on suspicions he's shown earlier in the game, he should have been suspicious of this. But Sn0 says little about johnny, only that he gets town points for wanting to lynch crazo, and that his low contribution is concerning. "I think he's town, but he could be scum." Very easy for him to change his view on johnny if it looks like it could benefit him. In retrospect, it's not so much an association case as a case against Sn0, but the fact that Sn0 didn't react with suspicion of johnny makes me think they're in it together.
##Vote: Sn0_Man
This makes me believe that they could easily be scum together. At the very least, I'm feeling pretty comfortable with a vote on Sn0_Man. Note that right around the time that johnny posts, asking if we're really stuck choosing between WoS and Sn0, Sn0 changes his vote to vayne from WoS. This later allows johnny to vote for WoS because he's voting for his townread, while Sn0 was doing that exact thing until johnny asked that question. One possible example of some behind-the-scenes scum cooperation.
Thoughts?
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It's the fact that your "honest opinion" doesn't seem to be what I would expect it to be. If I know someone decided to vote between two townies instead of their scumread, who we now know was scum, I find that suspicious. And while I *believed* that to be the case surrounding johnny, you should *know* it. So the fact that you're not suspicious of him makes me suspicious of you.
And that is why my case doesn't revolve around you as scumbuddies. You are the one I find to be behaving questionably in this situation. There's some stuff I wrote above that I feel certainly implicates the two of you being scum together, but I'm more confident that your play feels off than his does. Also, you're more likely to be lynched today than him, anyway.
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Oh, and people ignore my requests for reads all the time. I'm not a very forceful/assertive person, so a lot of times my questions just go unanswered. I've gotten used to it.
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If more people are fine with a johnny lynch, I might be willing to switch if you give additional reasoning as well as comment on what I said about him. I'm still unsure of whether or not I'm just seeing what I want to see in his case. However, it does feel like it fits nicely with scum Sn0.
EBWOP: I know kush <3 But generally speaking, I'm not a town leader. Very passive.
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On August 29 2013 05:24 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 05:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
It's the fact that your "honest opinion" doesn't seem to be what I would expect it to be. If I know someone decided to vote between two townies instead of their scumread, who we now know was scum, I find that suspicious. And while I *believed* that to be the case surrounding johnny, you should *know* it. So the fact that you're not suspicious of him makes me suspicious of you.
And that is why my case doesn't revolve around you as scumbuddies. You are the one I find to be behaving questionably in this situation. There's some stuff I wrote above that I feel certainly implicates the two of you being scum together, but I'm more confident that your play feels off than his does. Also, you're more likely to be lynched today than him, anyway. I was supposed to blame Johnny for *not* throwing away his vote but instead using it against one of what was fairly clearly the only 2 people who could be lynched? Pretty sure I was calling for consolidation fairly loudly and also I later called out some people for throwing away their vote D1. Also he voted for wos like ~7 other people including you so I wasn't gonna call him scum for that. -snip-
When his reason for voting for that person is that WoS didn't push reads of his own and instead voted for his townread to save himself? Yes. It's the exact thing that Johnny did, except his life wasn't on the line. He emphasizes multiple times that he wants to vote for crazo, but doesn't make a case or try to push it. He just drops it to start deciding who, between two of his town reads, he wants to lynch. And since you are the only person who "knows" you're town, I'd expect you to be suspicious of him.
And more evidence of them working together as a scumteam: Johnnywup seems to be begging for reasons to vote for WoS, but doesn't bring up Sn0 at all.
Every post about Sn0 just makes me more sure about johnny XD I'm pretty much up for a lynch on either of them.
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##Unvote
##Vote: johnnywup
Fine, I can go for a johnny lynch over Sn0. Gonna join me kush, or gonna stick with yamato?
Sn0, have your thoughts on johnny changed at all?
And Vayne, if you're here, what are your current thoughts on johnny?
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I'm not feeling at all confident about a FT lynch. I'll take a look, but I feel Sn0/johnny are our best bets.
yamato: I'd say vote for johnny.
Vayne: would you be willing to vote johnny?
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On August 29 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
you don't have to consolidate, this isn't lylo/mylo. if scum tries anything it will be really obvious
Does everyone feel that this is true?
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On August 29 2013 10:30 johnnywup wrote:who should i vote for fuba? I don't want to die  ----------- why are you tunneling me so hard? and yes vayne i'm busy school started so i'm not here throughout the day.
It's not just you, it's you and Sn0_Man <3
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FT: Sorry if I missed it, but why is koshi your top priority?
(router issues took away my last few hours of filter time XD)
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##Unvote
##Vote: Sn0_Man
All aboard the Sn0_Man train! Choooo chooooooo~
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