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On August 22 2013 11:21 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:21 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:15 Rainbows wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people. But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically. The context you stated certainly makes sense, the tone of the post is fairly easy to replicate as scum. Yamato, I still want to know who you want to lynch today. I'm leaning toward lynching Vayne. I've been waiting for him to become more involved in the thread but it just hasn't happened. His sideline commentary is easy to do as scum. He's also overly preoccupied with thinking that you are 3P. I have yet to see him become engaged with the thread and attempt to push any sort of scumread, quite unlike most of the people who have been considered today as lynch candidates. yamato bro, that was your first fake case in sicilian mafia too against VE. Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 16:27 yamato77 wrote:
Instead of attempting to interact with anyone, VE is content passing judgment from the sidelines about the interaction between DH and VA. This sort of voting in line with the sway of the thread (as both FT and VA were suspicious of DH) is a trait that I've seen mafia VE pull in games past. It's also worth noting that VE voting for DH for "throwing shit" at VA when VE has no opinion of VA is quite a ridiculous idea. This sort of bullshit reasoning is something that cannot be tolerated, and smells of mafia drumming up a reason to slap a vote on a player already under fire. Surely you didn't think I wouldn't notice that?
So because one line is somewhat similar, it's the same case? Not even close. You've been scummy because you're doing fuck-all. I created a case on VE through false-meta pretenses. The two are literally incomparable.
Your follow-up to this is to vote Sn0 in line with thread sentiment, lolol. And you want me to believe that you're honestly scumhunting.
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Wtf, the rest of his filter is trash.
##Vote VayneAuthority
How the fuck are any of you voting alongside this dude?
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On August 23 2013 09:16 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 09:13 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 11:21 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 22 2013 09:21 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:15 Rainbows wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people. But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically. The context you stated certainly makes sense, the tone of the post is fairly easy to replicate as scum. Yamato, I still want to know who you want to lynch today. I'm leaning toward lynching Vayne. I've been waiting for him to become more involved in the thread but it just hasn't happened. His sideline commentary is easy to do as scum. He's also overly preoccupied with thinking that you are 3P. I have yet to see him become engaged with the thread and attempt to push any sort of scumread, quite unlike most of the people who have been considered today as lynch candidates. yamato bro, that was your first fake case in sicilian mafia too against VE. On July 16 2013 16:27 yamato77 wrote:
Instead of attempting to interact with anyone, VE is content passing judgment from the sidelines about the interaction between DH and VA. This sort of voting in line with the sway of the thread (as both FT and VA were suspicious of DH) is a trait that I've seen mafia VE pull in games past. It's also worth noting that VE voting for DH for "throwing shit" at VA when VE has no opinion of VA is quite a ridiculous idea. This sort of bullshit reasoning is something that cannot be tolerated, and smells of mafia drumming up a reason to slap a vote on a player already under fire. Surely you didn't think I wouldn't notice that? So because one line is somewhat similar, it's the same case? Not even close. You've been scummy because you're doing fuck-all. I created a case on VE through false-meta pretenses. The two are literally incomparable. Your follow-up to this is to vote Sn0 in line with thread sentiment, lolol. And you want me to believe that you're honestly scumhunting. That one line is your entire case in conjunction with the meta stuff so yea that is your case pretty much in a nut shell. I was the first person to vote for sn0_manmore bullshit please l0L. time to pick a new target because you know I don't take shit
Literally meaningless. Everyone and their mom had Sn0 as scum. Being the hipster vote does not make it any less in line with thread sentiment.
And no, I used zero meta in my read on you. You yourself said it was useless. You're CLASSICALLY scum, in that you are not being proactive about anything and have literally flown under everyone's scumdars the whole game except MINE.
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On August 23 2013 09:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 09:19 yamato77 wrote:On August 23 2013 09:16 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 23 2013 09:13 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 11:21 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 22 2013 09:21 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:15 Rainbows wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:
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Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people. But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically. The context you stated certainly makes sense, the tone of the post is fairly easy to replicate as scum. Yamato, I still want to know who you want to lynch today. I'm leaning toward lynching Vayne. I've been waiting for him to become more involved in the thread but it just hasn't happened. His sideline commentary is easy to do as scum. He's also overly preoccupied with thinking that you are 3P. I have yet to see him become engaged with the thread and attempt to push any sort of scumread, quite unlike most of the people who have been considered today as lynch candidates. yamato bro, that was your first fake case in sicilian mafia too against VE. On July 16 2013 16:27 yamato77 wrote:
Instead of attempting to interact with anyone, VE is content passing judgment from the sidelines about the interaction between DH and VA. This sort of voting in line with the sway of the thread (as both FT and VA were suspicious of DH) is a trait that I've seen mafia VE pull in games past. It's also worth noting that VE voting for DH for "throwing shit" at VA when VE has no opinion of VA is quite a ridiculous idea. This sort of bullshit reasoning is something that cannot be tolerated, and smells of mafia drumming up a reason to slap a vote on a player already under fire. Surely you didn't think I wouldn't notice that? So because one line is somewhat similar, it's the same case? Not even close. You've been scummy because you're doing fuck-all. I created a case on VE through false-meta pretenses. The two are literally incomparable. Your follow-up to this is to vote Sn0 in line with thread sentiment, lolol. And you want me to believe that you're honestly scumhunting. That one line is your entire case in conjunction with the meta stuff so yea that is your case pretty much in a nut shell. I was the first person to vote for sn0_manmore bullshit please l0L. time to pick a new target because you know I don't take shit Literally meaningless. Everyone and their mom had Sn0 as scum. Being the hipster vote does not make it any less in line with thread sentiment. And no, I used zero meta in my read on you. You yourself said it was useless. You're CLASSICALLY scum, in that you are not being proactive about anything and have literally flown under everyone's scumdars the whole game except MINE. Saying somebody is scum and actually voting for them are two completely different things. One is for show, one affects the game. Please find a game where I'm proactive day 1, ill be waiting
The old "I do this as town AND scum" defense. Too good.
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Anyway, there's really nothing you can say to deter me.
I'll be waiting for others to sheep me as you cry in the corner.
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On August 23 2013 09:34 mkfuba07 wrote:
@FirmTofu: the way you described my response is the definition of my play in general. I know it means nothing coming from me, but anyone who's played with me before should be able to confirm that.
Hmmm, this game is tough... I've narrowed down a few people I believe are town, but none that I can say I feel confident are scum.
@yamato: Have you played with vayne before? If so, does his play this game differ in any way from his previous games?
He said himself he plays a different way each game. I'm content with killing him off because he's playing exactly how scum would want to play this game. Has he received any real pressure yet? No. Among all the fighting going on, he's been ignored.
I smell scum with this one. I learned better than to ignore him from Les Mafia.
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On August 23 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote:By that same token, you are mafia yamato. No real pressure this game yet. Yamato's case ![[image loading]](http://gifs.gifbin.com/082013/1377174052_giant_louisiana_sinkhole_swallows_trees.gif)
I've been far more proactive in the thread than you have. I haven't played since yesterday, so what? I'm here now, and you still have yet to do anything to discount the feeling I have that you are mafia.
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On August 23 2013 09:47 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 09:44 yamato77 wrote:On August 23 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote:By that same token, you are mafia yamato. No real pressure this game yet. Yamato's case I've been far more proactive in the thread than you have. I haven't played since yesterday, so what? I'm here now, and you still have yet to do anything to discount the feeling I have that you are mafia. and back to square one, the proactive thing again. A lot of people that like repeating stuff in this game like it somehow sounds better the second time. I've easily discredited everything you've said so far so I'll leave it at that. If you have anything new i'll be glad to demolish that too.
The last time someone said "I do this as scum too" it was a MAFIA player.
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You people demoralize me.
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On August 24 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
you weren't really that lazy in lxi yamato
day 1 I was. I almost got lynched bro.
It's sad that you had to look up that game; you were in it.
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On August 24 2013 13:16 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:On August 24 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
you weren't really that lazy in lxi yamato day 1 I was. I almost got lynched bro. It's sad that you had to look up that game; you were in it. I dont remember games by Roman numerals. But I do remember that you were pretty trolly and not analytical and that's why you almost got lynched. What do you think about rayne's alignments and the parity check?
It's more believable that he got framed or is unaware miller than him actually being scum. Why would he risk being lynched after WoS flipped town as mafia? His whole D1 play is far too aggressive to be explained with any sort of survival mindset.
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Kush, motivate me to play.
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On August 24 2013 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i think FirmTofu and Oats are mafia.
Why do you say that?
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I never gave a reason why I thought you both were town?
That's just a flat out lie, lol.
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On August 24 2013 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing i would like you to explain. Why do you have such a strong town read on me? Because your reason was "he is too batshit insane to be scum". That is extremely weak reasoning knowing you have just played a scumgame with me. johnnywup was right on that, this game looks a lot like my play in GoT, but then again, it does look like my town games aswell. How can you possibly have a townread on me based on what i did on N0? To me it makes no sense.
Because I'm good at getting townreads on players like you. How do you think I play with Oats every game?
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On August 24 2013 19:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think you did really try to convince anyone. You havn't really engaded into ANY discussion in this game besides telling vayne is mafia. Your only scumread in this game has been vayne. You have never really tried to get him lynched. The "WoS is 3p" argument you first brought up on him is bullshit, even if vayne was mafia. Who else do you think is scum?
The only people I'm confident in calling NOT mafia are you and Kush, lol. Any of the rest could be mafia, given the way the game has gone.
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On August 24 2013 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So let's talk. What do you think of what i wrote on FT & oats?
I don't think your point against FT is strong (him contradicting his own read is not necessarily a scum tell), but he has been suspicious with what he's written this game and especially with how he entered the thread, as I've said before. His initial reads were written wonky with stuff like "he looks town so he's scum" and vice versa that just sounds like bullshit. Haven't read him too closely, but like I said earlier in the game I get scum vibes from him.
Early on Oats seemed town but I feel like his thread presence is lower than it usually is when he's town. His reads don't seem as strong and he hasn't been particularly forward with pushing them, either. In my experience, when he's scum he's a lot more passive and agreeable and his activity tapers off. I'm not sure on him at all but it should be more clear as the game goes on.
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On August 24 2013 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bleh, sorry for tripleposting. This is also why i don't like Rainbows. He has played scum with me, and seems to have zero doubt on me. He should, if he is town.
I don't know what to tell you except that maybe you aren't as difficult to read as town as you think you are?
It's far easier to get a townread on someone than get a solid scumread.
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On August 24 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 19:39 yamato77 wrote:On August 24 2013 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So let's talk. What do you think of what i wrote on FT & oats? I don't think your point against FT is strong (him contradicting his own read is not necessarily a scum tell), but he has been suspicious with what he's written this game and especially with how he entered the thread, as I've said before. His initial reads were written wonky with stuff like "he looks town so he's scum" and vice versa that just sounds like bullshit. Haven't read him too closely, but like I said earlier in the game I get scum vibes from him. Early on Oats seemed town but I feel like his thread presence is lower than it usually is when he's town. His reads don't seem as strong and he hasn't been particularly forward with pushing them, either. In my experience, when he's scum he's a lot more passive and agreeable and his activity tapers off. I'm not sure on him at all but it should be more clear as the game goes on. I agree that FT entered the thread the same way he did in Titanic. A big post with lots of reads that say pretty much nothing conclusive. I think his thought process was easy to follow after that, until N1 started. Then he went back to "i make no sense". So we agree on Oats.
I'll take a deeper look at FT's posting since the flip. If what you say is true, he is a good person to lead the lynch against D2.
On Oats, I'd prefer to wait and see.
Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 19:39 yamato77 wrote:On August 24 2013 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bleh, sorry for tripleposting. This is also why i don't like Rainbows. He has played scum with me, and seems to have zero doubt on me. He should, if he is town. I don't know what to tell you except that maybe you aren't as difficult to read as town as you think you are? It's far easier to get a townread on someone than get a solid scumread. I think this is plain out wrong. In GoT i was town read for almost everyone before we decided to all in and claim scum with Acro. In Catch 22 i was town read for everyone but Hapa (and apparently Coag, and his reasons for shooting me still remain unknown to me - he just said "i didn't like you" post game). In NMXXXsomething i was town read for everyone besides the guy i accused throughout the game. Those are the games i have been able to play to my true potential as mafia.
Read as town as mafia =/= read as town as town
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On August 24 2013 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato what i meant is that if you are being read as town when you are mafia by almost everyone, people should doubt their townread on you in every game. To at least some extent.
I would still like you to tell me why do you think i am town, and how does my play differ from my play in games where i have been mafia? Otherwise it's hard to believe you have a "valid" read on me.
Same thing could be said especially about Rainbows.
I don't really care for meta comparisons much, TBH. You're town because you have a nearly 20 page filter and have been screaming at the thread to lynch your scumreads the whole game. You're the most active, most involved, most exposed player in the game. You wouldn't play this balls out as mafia because it leads you to exactly where you are; under a microscope with a cop having checked you and people wanting to vig/lynch you.
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