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@Crazometer: What happened to your suspicions of geript? Current thoughts on johnny?
@Onegu: When you say "town" do you mean SAM, or a VT who is decidedly not SAM? I'd agree that random VTs would never claim SAM, because that's 100% nonsensical. There's absolutely no reason for it. Given the situation this game, where Koshi claimed before everyone else in the thread posted, do you think it's more likely that he is scum?
@FT: First of all, if you're SAM and someone counter-claims you, then they're scum. You've just gotten a 1-for-1 trade (at worst). Pretty good deal. Second, if you are town and know that you will show red to cop checks, you should tell town that. It avoids the really shitty situation where someone checks you, you come up red, and THEN claim SAM. I've actually never been in a game where someone has said it doesn't make sense to claim when you're SAM, so I'm really confused as to why that idea seems so prevalent this game.
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On August 24 2013 15:47 FirmTofu wrote:
@mkfuba
I don't like the fact that you're content watching everyone argue while you ask a few questions here and there from the sidelines. The apathy is strong with you. Care to jump into the action?
What are your thoughts on the Rayn/Koshi situation? Who do you think is our best lynch for Day 2?
My thoughts on the rayn/koshi situation are that anyone saying rayn is definitely scum is suspicious. Especially when they emphasize the red check more than actual evidence. I generally agree with Oats (I believe) when he said that scum rarely so diehard-ly push for a mislynch. As for Koshi, I've had him set as town shortly after he claimed SAM. It really makes no sense for him to have claimed it at that time as scum. They would have needed to be really sure there was no SAM in the game, as well as have strong fears of Koshi being checked that night (otherwise the only impact would be to draw attention to himself). It's all too much risk for too little reward.
As far as day 2 lynches are concerned, I'm not sure. I imagine I'll have some idea around 4 hours from now.
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On August 23 2013 10:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Another thing I realized while looking through his massive fucking filter---he never ONCE considers the town perspective of anything I do. He immediately and ALWAYS fits everything I say and do into his 'WoS is scum' theories. This is shit play for town, and I truly and honestly believe that Rayn is purposefully tunneling me into oblivion because he believes that everyone will assume he is crazy and no scum would ever tunnel that hard.
Again the BH example in CCM proves that completely untrue.
This is the one possibility that's really bothering me. I've seen plenty of townies blindly pursue their 100% scumreads only to have them flip town, but I'm afraid of the possibility that it was all an act. However, while rayn's vote ended up on WoS at the end of the day, he did give his input on plenty of players, as well as behave exactly as I would have expected him to if he really strongly believed WoS was scum.
Pretty sure I'm sticking with town rayn.
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Unfortunately, it's not baby seals time.
This is something I set my alarm to wake up and post last night, a minute before the flip:
I'm Chie Satonaka, and I shot crazometer tonight. There's no breadcrumb or anything. I figure an extra death will speak for itself.
Why crazometer? There's a wide array of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with how scummy I find him. It's more of a process of elimination, coupled with how dangerous I think he could be late game as either alignment. Once I eliminated all my town reads, all the people I'm unsure of but who might be viable scum nk targets if they're town, and people whose alignments I feel will be easier to figure out as time goes on, I was left with a really short list. I settled on crazometer because I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with any read on him this game.
I know he doesn't seem to be a high-priority target at the moment. So many shots have been requested that I just kind of started zoning them out. I wasn't sure who to target based on scumminess, so I went with someone I felt would have the possibility of flipping scum as well as someone who would make me uncomfortable until endgame if he stayed alive.
Ultimately, I'm playing it safe.
I, again unfortunately, woke up at 6:45 my time, 45 minutes after the flip, with pain in my right eye because my contacts dried out or something. Checked the thread, saw crazo was scum, but rayn sugggested not claiming. Figured I could wait on the claim since it was already too late to be optimal (should have been posted right before the flip) and went to sleep off the aching in my eye. Now that I'm somewhat accused, I decided to just come out with it :D
Unless someone has a counterclaim, at least one person in kush's list is wrong. I'd agree about lynching onegu and most likely yamato, though. I haven't liked Rainbows all that much, but that could just be indignation at being accused. Don't really need to have the entire scumteam pegged atm, though.
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Hey, it's D2 and I'm finding Vayne more-and-more townie. I guess he was right earlier.
Kush, how do I, as scum, know there's no vigilante to counterclaim me? Or do you think I resorted to claiming out of fear because you caught the entire scumteam on D2 and we saw absolutely no way out of it other than to have one of us claim the nk? There's no evidence whatsoever of there being an SK. And there's nothing illegitimate about anything you quoted from my filter. According to you, I also distanced myself from vayne, rainbows, and johnny. I also didn't say to vig crazo only if he never speaks again, I said that based on how he performed N1 he might be a worthwhile vig shot. I clearly still felt that way because I actually shot him (another option was Onegu, but I changed my mind after sending in his name XD).
As for the questions to crazo, FT, and onegu, I was trying to come to a final decision about who I would shoot, and the questions helped me do that. Does my question to crazo not indicate that I was looking into his filter? Early on he seemed to be really suspicious of geript. Once johnny switched in he just kind of forgot about him completely until I mentioned him. Rayn mentioned how scum tend to have trouble keeping their scumreads straight, and while WoS forgot to add onegu to a single list (not all that indicative of much), crazometer didn't mention geript/johnny at all after the switch (much more strange). As for FT and Onegu, Koshi wasn't a viable lynch for me since N0, and I found it weird that they hadn't come to the same conclusion. I found FT more townie than Onegu after the whole exchange, and found it particularly strange that VTs fakeclaiming was brought up, considering I can see no reason whatsoever to do such a thing. Ultimately I went with crazo because it felt better/safer than Onegu.
Finally...
On August 25 2013 08:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Yup Rayne is sk. Scum just gonna rb him the rest of the game to hide his kp.
If "we" knew rayn was sk, why would we let him shoot N1?
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EBWOP: And why would yamato mention sk if we're apparently trying to cover up his existence by claiming responsibility for the kill?
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And why we didn't rb rayn on n0?
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Ah, meant N1. Since we would have theoretically found him out following N0.
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On August 25 2013 10:10 Koshi wrote:
You guys don't have a RB sadly D:
Unless you actually believe I'm scum, don't throw me in with them.
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On August 25 2013 10:12 Koshi wrote:
I don't think they do either, but in kush's hypothetical scenario we do.
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Oh, and another thing: What about crazometer makes you think sk would actually shoot him? He's someone sk would want around at endgame.
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On August 25 2013 10:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 10:12 mkfuba07 wrote:On August 25 2013 10:10 Koshi wrote:
You guys don't have a RB sadly D: Unless you actually believe I'm scum, don't throw me in with them. I thought you were roleplaying D: I love the Lion King. Best Disney movie.
Sorry, just getting frustrated because kush is apparently believing some complicated scum theory instead of the simple fact that I'm a vig who shot crazo.
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On August 25 2013 10:16 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 10:11 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ah, meant N1. Since we would have theoretically found him out following N0. why would you necessarily have a rb? for there to be no 2nd nk n0? other possibilities are scum and sk targeted the same person. scum targeted the SK and killed his extra life
... You're the one who said that we're keeping rayn!sk alive and roleblocked all game, not me. I'm simply asking why we didn't roleblock him N1 if that was the case.
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On August 25 2013 10:16 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 10:13 mkfuba07 wrote:On August 25 2013 10:12 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2013 10:10 Koshi wrote:
You guys don't have a RB sadly D: I don't think they do either, but in kush's hypothetical scenario we do. how come you say "they" the first half of the sentence but then switch to "we"? scumslip?
No, not scumslip. First half of the sentence is me not being involved in a scumteam, second half is me being involved in kush's theoretical scumteam. I couldn't actually say "we" in the first half, nor "they" in the second half. Think before you post.
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On August 25 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:why are we even entertaining the idea that 1/3rd of the game is anti-town, in all likelyhood we are just dealing with a 2 goon 1 godfather 1 framer setup. If there's any 3rd party it's more likely to be survivor. come at me bro ![[image loading]](http://massappeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/ShabbaLovermanGif.gif)
Agree with all of this.
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On August 25 2013 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 10:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
one of fuba and rayne is scum, we don't have 2 cops a vig and a doctor. Why do we have a vig?
... Seriously?
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Does anyone actually have any idea what rayn is doing?
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rayn... what... and why....?
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On August 25 2013 11:32 yamato77 wrote:Just stop talking to him. On a related note, how's the life of a Serial Killer?
Wait, now I'm the serial killer?
This game keeps getting better and better.
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Well it isn't me.
I'm gonna wait for rayn to actually explain himself because there was no reason for him to do this as any alignment.
@rayn: Because I believe him to be town. Why are you acting like a dumbass?
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