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raynpelikoneet
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DarthPunk
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WaveofShadow
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I don't think I'm seeing what you see though. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On August 21 2013 11:58 WaveofShadow wrote: DP I read Rainbows---the only thing I got out of it is his seeming...i dunno...eagerness to drop the scumread on Sn0 since it wasn't being picked up in thread? I don't think I'm seeing what you see though. I re-read his filter and it could be nothing. I just wrote a full case and it wasn't as strong as I thought it was. What do you think of Sno_man | ||
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geript
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On August 20 2013 21:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Damn it I was really hoping to be WaveofShadow the shadow. So here's a question ladies. It's N0. Someone is gonna die in ~20 hours. Why are we painting targets on ourselves this early when we don't have a lynch yet? On August 20 2013 21:47 Crazometer wrote: Good point, I'm going to adjourn until morning. (Both irl and in game) On August 20 2013 21:52 Koshi wrote: Shouldn't we help the town cop/doc/vigi to help pick their targets -_- Also, my conspiracies vibes are tingling. I have a strong feeling you rolled scum but not a Shadow. I want to line up these quotes because I think it's important. This is really is really odd reaction to me. Crazy is apparently new but picks up the "Let's not post at night time and paint targets on ourselves" BS that WoS advocated. Here's why I think it's scum mentality: 1. Bland +1 without bothering to read even 5 minutes after for a clear and obvious counterpoint 2. He doesn't come in with the "don't post at night" mentality but instantly buys it. These things don't add up to me for good reason. The points Koshi brings up are automatic counterpoints in my mind; if I'm town, then I want to be able to find other town and tell the healer to heal me instead of scum; I want to tell the Vig not to shoot me and I want to tell the cop to find scum somewhere else. But having not come in with the silent night mentality some places/people advocate, he gets instantly swayed by a weak point on self preservation. That reads really, really off to me as newbie town who isn't likely going to be shot regardless. That's just a really weird mentality to take instantly from a town perspective. Talk and shit. Night Night time for me. I'll be on more tomorrow afternoon and thursday afternoon. I'll post more then. If I die, look into FT and Rayn. Rayn is only town based on activity to me and his ultra tunneling and lack of desire and will to look around really rub me wrong. @Rainbows. I want to chat with you some later if we're both on at some point so hmu. | ||
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kushm4sta
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I want to lynch either FIRMTOFU or ONEGU FT all he has done really is made this post: On August 21 2013 10:04 FirmTofu wrote: + Show Spoiler + My overall thoughts: WoS and geript seem to have some sort of mutual camaraderie based on past games and the friendship they have formed through their hydra. Therefore, you can expect them to play irrationally when speaking of one another. I think we should make note of this. WoS is a real funnybunny. I don't like any of his opinions on how to handle N0. On this topic, rayn wins the argument handily. Remaining quiet on N0 is definitely mafia-favored play. There is no reason to silence ourselves when discussion is the greatest asset we have. However, I don't think this is as damning as rayn says it is. WoS looks scummy, sure, but his play is equally likely to be bad town as it is to be scum. Geript's meta indicates that geript may be scum this game. Town geript usually attacks and pushes like a monster. Geript this game has been relatively subdued. Vayne is not posting much and is not looking particularly scummy. Knowing Vayne, this is quite odd. Town Vayne usually likes to look scummy so that he won't get NK'd until endgame. Vayne in this game looks nothing like town Vayne. Koshi is looking scummy and stupid. Whenever Koshi looks scummy and stupid, he flips town. See: Titanic and all of his other town games. Whenever he is spot on with his reads and looks like he knows what he is doing, he flips scum. At best, he's a good vigi shot right now. Lynching him is not a good course of action. Kush is basically Koshi divided by 2. He just posts less, but his playstyle is very similar. Thus, he is also probably not the best lynch right now. After GoT, I'm not sure how to read rayn anymore. I thought I had him figured out after Titanic and his scum play in I Swear 2, but he played a solid scum game in GoT and threw me off. For the time being, he remains a volatile player that is more likely to hurt town than help it. I would not mind a vig shot on him, but I am finding it hard to read him right now. Saving for later. That's all I want to talk about for now. If anything else comes up, I'll be sure to let you know. basically he is saying everyone is sort of scummy for vague meta reasons. ok ONEGU I want to lynch him for his constant regurgitation of thread sentiment. He never expresses any idea that has not already been expressed. GUIZ HE'S WATCHING HIS SICK KID! like that is some sort of excuse? That means you should have more free time not less. Sick kid you sit them in front of the TV or something gg. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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In the meantime since Geript so nicely brought up that my 'let's not talk N0' post was bullshit, guess what? It was. I didn't really have much of an overarching plan going into that post but I did want to see how various people reacted to it. Geript brings up a good point about Crazy---problem is he's apparently new (at least to TL, I don't know about mafia in general). Fuba sees right through me though, and I fucking love playing with this guy. On August 21 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote: @WoS: I assume you're implying that you breadcrumbed something about your role (which I would presume is veteran, due to the emphasis on rayn wanting a shot used on you), and you believe rayn found it and is trying to take advantage of that situation to get rid of a vig shot (if there is one), the veteran (if you are it), and your usual town play in one night. I guess you could be any blue role in this situation, but since you emphasized rayn wanting you shot (as opposed to lynched tomorrow) I guessed veteran. I probably overlooked something, but I try (with limited success) to not speculate on things I have no way of knowing. Hot/cold? What are your thoughts on Rainbows? He's sort of got the thought process right, though with a few details that are wrong. First of all I didn't breadcrumb anything: I will claim right here. I am sadly but a simple VT. My play though certainly looked like blue play, wouldn't you say? As a blue I certainly don't want to draw attention to myself on the first night so I can put whatever ability I've got to good use---I suppose in that way you could call my 'not talking at night' post a breadcrumb, albeit a fake one. I make my post and the thread direction abruptly changes---Rayn begins to incessantly push me from that point on. On August 20 2013 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, seriously. Why did you suggest that we should not talk? Why are you avoiding the question? I can clearly show from your filter in CCM that you did start scumhunting on N0 when hosts told you also roles can start acting then. You clearly thought you were wrong and staerted acting in the correct manner as town. Why are you proposing the same anti-town idea here again? Just answer me and do not run in circles around the question. I have no good read on Koshi yet. Why am I avoiding the question? Not only do I not want to reveal my mini-gambit this early as it is generating good discussion (and not only do I doubt a tunnely Rayn would even bother to believe me at this point since it is apparent in thread that he has 'found scum'), but I don't want to explain it's because I as a 'blue' do not want my identity revealed. Now Rayn is a smart player. He knows something is up obviously. The thing is, what he is doing? It's scum bluefishing. Not scumhunting. This is exactly why he calls for a vig shot---if he can paint the blue towny as scum then the scumteam doesn't even have to waste a shot. If I'm vet they can RB me and I'll die as well. Have doubts that he is scum simply bluefishing under the guise of tunnel town? On August 21 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: If WoS claims something shoot him regardless. That does not make him town. I have no blue role to claim but he has already thought ahead of time that I will attempt to use it to get myself out long before it is necessary. He knows exactly what I was thinking with my earlier comment. His joke of a case (which basically amounts to me being mad at me for not answering him lolol) is a sham to hide the fact that he expected me to defend myself with the defense he listed at the bottom of his case, when in fact that is an absolutely shit defense and he would have very likely called me out on it for such. On August 21 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is why WaveofShadow is mafia: This is one of the first posts from him in CCM: (Here is a link to the post for the following: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407685¤tpage=11#210 ) After that, when hosts confirm that roles can also act on N0, WoS retracts from his stance and starts scumhunting. If you read the game from that point on it can clearly be seen. This is what i call WoS out for: WoS does not want to answer me, he keeps dodging the question, and this is all i get out of him: Look at the answer. He is saying "look, i am playing to my town meta as i played the same way in CCM". The answer i was looking for (in case he was town was in this post (from CCM): This is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again? Answer is: - Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game". - He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough. - If he was town he could, should and would explain himself. Lynch D1. Or better, vig N0. Why would I use the exact same explanation for a bad post in a second game when he himself says he expects that I should have learned from the first time I did it? Ridiculous. Another point I have already stated earlier---the way he was playing when he stated he was going to ignore me and everything I say because I didn't take him up on the chances he gave me---is that good town play in any way? The post is a little disjointed but everything in here points to Rayn scum. Discuss accordingly, especially those of you who view Rayn to be town. DP I'm looking at you. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On August 21 2013 12:37 kushm4sta wrote: k im done reading! I want to lynch either FIRMTOFU or ONEGU FT all he has done really is made this post: basically he is saying everyone is sort of scummy for vague meta reasons. ok ONEGU I want to lynch him for his constant regurgitation of thread sentiment. He never expresses any idea that has not already been expressed. GUIZ HE'S WATCHING HIS SICK KID! like that is some sort of excuse? That means you should have more free time not less. Sick kid you sit them in front of the TV or something gg. Yeah Kush...he legitimately has a very ill child in his care. He is constantly in and out of hospital both for himself and for his kid. His excuse is not alignment indicative in my opinion (no room for dick move analysis imo because of the way it was used). | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Not rayn, not WoS. WoS, rayn not picking up on your gambit doesnt make him scum. As you can see, I was also not too happy that you were not answering questions about that post. So am I scum too? | ||
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VayneAuthority
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WaveofShadow
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On August 21 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote: nah lets lynch sn0 dude. Not rayn, not WoS. WoS, rayn not picking up on your gambit doesnt make him scum. As you can see, I was also not too happy that you were not answering questions about that post. So am I scum too? Except did you assume I was scum simply because I didn't want to answer questions about it? I honestly don't see what is scum-aligned about that in the slightest and Rayn KNOWS that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On August 21 2013 12:52 VayneAuthority wrote: The only other time WoS played all trolly like this and tried to go for big plays was when he was survivor so that honestly only solidifies my 3rd party read on him =/ Uh...what big plays did I go for in Basterd? If you recall that game, my hand was essentially forced in everything I did. Massclaim meant I had to use the only fakeclaim provided to me. Come on Vayne, I thought you were starting to be useful. I really liked your last post. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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WaveofShadow
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I will get to Sn0 before I go to bed as I won't be around for deadline in the morning. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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kushm4sta
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WaveofShadow
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How are those two things the same thing at all? He is calling me SCUM. I didn't call you scum necessarily I just wanted you gone because you weren't doing shit. Show me how I wasn't doing shit all day just because I didn't want to answer his measly questions. Please. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On August 21 2013 13:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat. How are those two things the same thing at all? He is calling me SCUM. I didn't call you scum necessarily I just wanted you gone because you weren't doing shit. Show me how I wasn't doing shit all day just because I didn't want to answer his measly questions. Please. he is annoyed at you and thinks that denial of information makes you scum. Its not the same, the attitude rayn has seems similar to the attitude you had. At the start at least. So why is scum rayn going full retard WoS? | ||
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kushm4sta
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