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You're somewhere in the middle of hot and cold right now. Good to see there are some people left to actually do some critical thinking.
Koshi busy shitposting like crazy, Onegu sheeping thread sentiment wherever it goes...
Geript, do you think Rayn is town? Obviously we've come to the same conclusion that he is not playing the way a towny Rayn 'should' play. Are you assuming this is some sort of a gambit he is pulling? As far as Crazy goes, he is 100% new to this forum so his lurking is non-indicative to me. If we were to lurker (or policy) lynch I'd much rather get rid of kush.
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Why do you think he's new. I'm just assuming smurf via post count.
As for Rayn being town, earlier I had a town read based on activity. But I think his 'reads' are all shit and that's a far better measure of good players IMO. I've experienced him tunnel this hard before (our shitfight in nuclear 2), but this seems way more biased to me which rubs me wrong. More when I get off work ~3-4 hrs.
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Or I guess I could just filter him. So not Moc, but I still get that sense of follow random pro-scum sentiment.
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My overall thoughts:
WoS and geript seem to have some sort of mutual camaraderie based on past games and the friendship they have formed through their hydra. Therefore, you can expect them to play irrationally when speaking of one another. I think we should make note of this.
WoS is a real funnybunny. I don't like any of his opinions on how to handle N0. On this topic, rayn wins the argument handily. Remaining quiet on N0 is definitely mafia-favored play. There is no reason to silence ourselves when discussion is the greatest asset we have. However, I don't think this is as damning as rayn says it is. WoS looks scummy, sure, but his play is equally likely to be bad town as it is to be scum.
Geript's meta indicates that geript may be scum this game. Town geript usually attacks and pushes like a monster. Geript this game has been relatively subdued.
Vayne is not posting much and is not looking particularly scummy. Knowing Vayne, this is quite odd. Town Vayne usually likes to look scummy so that he won't get NK'd until endgame. Vayne in this game looks nothing like town Vayne.
Koshi is looking scummy and stupid. Whenever Koshi looks scummy and stupid, he flips town. See: Titanic and all of his other town games. Whenever he is spot on with his reads and looks like he knows what he is doing, he flips scum. At best, he's a good vigi shot right now. Lynching him is not a good course of action.
Kush is basically Koshi divided by 2. He just posts less, but his playstyle is very similar. Thus, he is also probably not the best lynch right now.
After GoT, I'm not sure how to read rayn anymore. I thought I had him figured out after Titanic and his scum play in I Swear 2, but he played a solid scum game in GoT and threw me off. For the time being, he remains a volatile player that is more likely to hurt town than help it. I would not mind a vig shot on him, but I am finding it hard to read him right now. Saving for later.
That's all I want to talk about for now. If anything else comes up, I'll be sure to let you know.
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Usually I don't even bother reading the thread when it gets as stupid as it has now, but I did. Because I'm a masochist. All of you fighting among yourselves and arguing with people you think are scum are making my head hurt. Thankfully, there are a few things worth responding to:
On August 21 2013 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
There is no point in claiming a role that there is likely zero or one of as scum when not everybody has posted. Koshi has also painted a target on his back so no reason to lynch him for the time being.
Don't like Rainbows first post, nitpicks DP flip flopping but doesn't actually follow up on it at all. Possible scum since they usually look for really obvious stuff like that since they have to fabricate scum reads.
WoS is playing to his 3rd party meta. Wouldn't be surprised if he rolled SK/Survivor. Good lynch.
Something feels off about geript's posting, not angry enough.
Observations so far.
Vayne's first post is suspect. His most definitive read is a 3P read (wtf?) on a player already under suspicion. Why is he so strongly considering the possibility of a 3P? As with Rayn before, the preoccupation with reads that aren't in the town<--->scum continuum is something worth noting. The rest of his post is notably garbage and he has yet to substantiate anything he's said so far. Definitely flying under the radar due to the massive blip of a shitstorm Rayn/DP/WoS created.
On August 21 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 21 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2013 02:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah its all WoS didnt answer me.
and then you referenced it with another game where he was town and said why his non-answering made him scum.
Thats all.
no it's not. you are probably mafia.- thanks for telling me what you think your case is about. Ehh.. i think i was pretty clear in it: "There is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again?
Answer is:
- Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game".
- He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough.
- If he was town he could, should and would explain himself."Can you give me a single town reason why WoS would not explain his "we should not talk N0 in this game"? Can you? Because i can't, and i gave all of you his scum!reasons, supported with his own post.
As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means?
On August 21 2013 03:48 kushm4sta wrote:Thoughts while reading through this spamfest of a thread: PAGE 8 yamato you son of a bitch if i had a shot i would shoot you right now for no reason other than you piss me off. fucking think you are some maine expect because you went to caribou once lolz gtfo plz yawn, boring discussion about survivors. scum love this shit. PAGE 9 I think it's pretty safe to assume this guy is town because he said his role name: Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 20:48 Crazometer wrote:Lol, such personal attacks. Ryan, even the best laid plans can come unstuck but I think we got something out of it either way  . I'm unsure what really happens next as I've mainly just played these in person, but around now we would go around the circle with each person claiming they were vanilla characters in order. I'll start. I'm Crazometer and I'm a Citizen of Inaba. OMG MADE IT TO PAGE 13 WOOOO kush out
And yet no one wanted to policy lynch him. Offer is still on the table btw.
On August 21 2013 07:58 kushm4sta wrote:
I want to thank everyone for the respite from spam! Still catching up!
Srsly.
On August 21 2013 04:07 FirmTofu wrote:
Higgildy Piggildy Pumpkin Poo!
FirmTofu is here
And is scumhunting too!
First things first. This deadline is less than ideal for me. It is 4 AM in my timezone so I will likely be asleep during that time period. If anyone wishes to vote for me in the 4 hour town frame before the deadline, they better have a fucking good reason to do so. Any votes placed on me during that timeframe should be considered be VERY scummy and all guilty persons should be pursued with fervor the following day.
I'll be catching up and posting my thoughts in a few hours. Don't be a bunch of bitches like y'all were in GOT and vote me for no reason for not being around.
I don't know how many times I guessed correctly that a scum opened the game with a post like this. Definitely going to be watching FT as he "catches up".
On August 21 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
I assume most people agree that there is town motivation for Rayn pushing me as hard as he has been, as well as his relentlessly pushing me to answer his question regarding why I said what I did about 'no-talking' on N0.
Are people considering scum motivations behind such actions?
I want to see if anyone else can figure this out before I do a little revelation. Again, I'll be on sporadically so it may not happen until later but by gum, it WILL happen.
You think scumRayn wants to make you talk so that he can...?
I don't follow the logic. There's a reason most people agree that Rayn is town, and it's because he's too fucking batshit insane to be mafia.
On August 21 2013 06:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 06:24 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 21 2013 06:17 Koshi wrote:
I also see a tendency where you propose retarded lynches while you are already making up excuses when they flip town. I'll readily admit that I see both sides of my arguments before proposing them. It makes it hard for me to really be certain about scum sometimes, and that is a very real weakness to my play. In other news, I notice a tendency of yours to say "dnu" whenever you are asked a question and kinda deflect it with some seriously wishy-washy garbage. Thoughts? Ask the question again and I will answer without dnu. I try not to think so much when I post. And then people ask why I post stuff and I need to think about what I was thinking. But I am more like feeling instead of thinking. You get my drift?
Sn0 brings up a good point, Koshi is wishy-washy. Unfortunately N0 has no lynch so there is no mechanic to force him to be decisive. I'll also be watching how his reads develop throughout the day.
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I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw.
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On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw.
I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen.
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On August 21 2013 10:21 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen.
It's not a defense, but in basically every game I've played with him (aside from maybe Nuclear?) he's looked scummy as all hell and played like ass and been town. There are better targets come D1. Rayn/Onegu look terrible to me right now, and Koshi's shitposting is new to me---he doesn't normally play like this. I don't know what it means.
I'd also like to figure out what the deal is with DP.
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I've been lynched in one game ever and it was because I was afk before the deadline but he likes to say that every game for whatever reason.
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On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw.
He's lynchbait when he's actively trying to look scummy though. In this game, I'm seeing a different Vayne than usual. I don't really agree with yamato's thought process, but do think Vayne would be a decent lynch.
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On August 21 2013 10:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:21 yamato77 wrote:On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen. It's not a defense, but in basically every game I've played with him (aside from maybe Nuclear?) he's looked scummy as all hell and played like ass and been town. There are better targets come D1. Rayn/Onegu look terrible to me right now, and Koshi's shitposting is new to me---he doesn't normally play like this. I don't know what it means. I'd also like to figure out what the deal is with DP.
Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar.
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On August 21 2013 10:24 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. He's lynchbait when he's actively trying to look scummy though. In this game, I'm seeing a different Vayne than usual. I don't really agree with yamato's thought process, but do think Vayne would be a decent lynch.
I don't agree with YOUR thought process. On more than one occasion, you say think because someone is/isn't scummy they are town/scum. WTF?
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On August 21 2013 10:25 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 21 2013 10:21 yamato77 wrote:On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen. It's not a defense, but in basically every game I've played with him (aside from maybe Nuclear?) he's looked scummy as all hell and played like ass and been town. There are better targets come D1. Rayn/Onegu look terrible to me right now, and Koshi's shitposting is new to me---he doesn't normally play like this. I don't know what it means. I'd also like to figure out what the deal is with DP. Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar.
It's the incessant sheeping of thread sentiment that bothers me. I can honestly say despite hosting GoT I didn't follow it extremely closely. Did he do the same thing?
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On August 21 2013 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:25 yamato77 wrote:On August 21 2013 10:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 21 2013 10:21 yamato77 wrote:On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen. It's not a defense, but in basically every game I've played with him (aside from maybe Nuclear?) he's looked scummy as all hell and played like ass and been town. There are better targets come D1. Rayn/Onegu look terrible to me right now, and Koshi's shitposting is new to me---he doesn't normally play like this. I don't know what it means. I'd also like to figure out what the deal is with DP. Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar. It's the incessant sheeping of thread sentiment that bothers me. I can honestly say despite hosting GoT I didn't follow it extremely closely. Did he do the same thing?
IDK about sheeping, but he definitely seemed fixated on the setup early like he was this game. What makes you think he's so sheepish this game?
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On August 21 2013 10:24 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. He's lynchbait when he's actively trying to look scummy though. In this game, I'm seeing a different Vayne than usual. I don't really agree with yamato's thought process, but do think Vayne would be a decent lynch.
I probably say this at least once a game:
Judge me by my actions not by my meta. I RNG my personality for every single game, so it's fruitless to attempt to do so. You will only end up disappointed.
It's N0 so chill, we aren't even working towards a lynch atm.
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On August 21 2013 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:24 FirmTofu wrote:On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. He's lynchbait when he's actively trying to look scummy though. In this game, I'm seeing a different Vayne than usual. I don't really agree with yamato's thought process, but do think Vayne would be a decent lynch. I probably say this at least once a game: Judge me by my actions not by my meta. I RNG my personality for every single game, so it's fruitless to attempt to do so. You will only end up disappointed. It's N0 so chill, we aren't even working towards a lynch atm.
Tell that to Rayn and all the people agreeing that me mentioning not talking makes me scum. (of which there don't appear to be too many anymore, despite what bullshit Rayn may spew)
Vayne every time I judge you by your actions I get pissed because most of the time you don't do shit. Which makes you look scummy. And then most of the time you're not.
Hence the lynchbait.
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On August 21 2013 10:28 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 21 2013 10:25 yamato77 wrote:On August 21 2013 10:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 21 2013 10:21 yamato77 wrote:On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen. It's not a defense, but in basically every game I've played with him (aside from maybe Nuclear?) he's looked scummy as all hell and played like ass and been town. There are better targets come D1. Rayn/Onegu look terrible to me right now, and Koshi's shitposting is new to me---he doesn't normally play like this. I don't know what it means. I'd also like to figure out what the deal is with DP. Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar. It's the incessant sheeping of thread sentiment that bothers me. I can honestly say despite hosting GoT I didn't follow it extremely closely. Did he do the same thing? IDK about sheeping, but he definitely seemed fixated on the setup early like he was this game. What makes you think he's so sheepish this game?
On August 20 2013 22:25 Onegu wrote:
Agrees that my post is bad after someone else mentioned it.
Yeah the not talking n0 is terrible, scum are still going to shoot the person they feel is most dangerous to them, and we get no info to go on to actually find scum. So we just waste one of our better townies for nothing.
Agrees with Koshi's posting looking shitty and that Rayn looks towny.
On August 21 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
N0 starts officially a disaster. Scum located but we can't lynch him for 72 hours.
PS Onegu did the disappear thing. Nah Im here I have a sick kid I am watching but Im still here. Yeah no idea why he wouldnt claim right away. Looks really bad, and his breadcrumb isnt really a breadcrumb. Going to look over his filter now. Also not seeimg rayne as scum yet. Dont agree with the whole survivor thing but the way he pressured WoS looks townie.
Changes his mind about Koshi after other people mention that he wouldn't claim under pressure.
On August 21 2013 00:31 Onegu wrote:
The more I think about it the more I am leaning town on koshi, he wouldnt make the claim under pressure as scum, and if he was scum why not until the end of the night if he was going to wait to claim is scum to make sure he wasnt going to get counter claimed. While his timing doesnt make much sense I dont think it makes much sense for scum either.
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On August 21 2013 10:28 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 21 2013 10:25 yamato77 wrote:On August 21 2013 10:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 21 2013 10:21 yamato77 wrote:On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen. It's not a defense, but in basically every game I've played with him (aside from maybe Nuclear?) he's looked scummy as all hell and played like ass and been town. There are better targets come D1. Rayn/Onegu look terrible to me right now, and Koshi's shitposting is new to me---he doesn't normally play like this. I don't know what it means. I'd also like to figure out what the deal is with DP. Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar. It's the incessant sheeping of thread sentiment that bothers me. I can honestly say despite hosting GoT I didn't follow it extremely closely. Did he do the same thing? IDK about sheeping, but he definitely seemed fixated on the setup early like he was this game. What makes you think he's so sheepish this game?
Agrees that my post is bad after someone else mentioned it.
On August 20 2013 22:25 Onegu wrote:
Yeah the not talking n0 is terrible, scum are still going to shoot the person they feel is most dangerous to them, and we get no info to go on to actually find scum. So we just waste one of our better townies for nothing.
Agrees with Koshi's posting looking shitty and that Rayn looks towny.
On August 21 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
N0 starts officially a disaster. Scum located but we can't lynch him for 72 hours.
PS Onegu did the disappear thing. Nah Im here I have a sick kid I am watching but Im still here. Yeah no idea why he wouldnt claim right away. Looks really bad, and his breadcrumb isnt really a breadcrumb. Going to look over his filter now. Also not seeimg rayne as scum yet. Dont agree with the whole survivor thing but the way he pressured WoS looks townie.
Changes his mind about Koshi after other people mention that he wouldn't claim under pressure.
On August 21 2013 00:31 Onegu wrote:
The more I think about it the more I am leaning town on koshi, he wouldnt make the claim under pressure as scum, and if he was scum why not until the end of the night if he was going to wait to claim is scum to make sure he wasnt going to get counter claimed. While his timing doesnt make much sense I dont think it makes much sense for scum either.
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On August 21 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 21 2013 10:24 FirmTofu wrote:On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.
I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. He's lynchbait when he's actively trying to look scummy though. In this game, I'm seeing a different Vayne than usual. I don't really agree with yamato's thought process, but do think Vayne would be a decent lynch. I probably say this at least once a game: Judge me by my actions not by my meta. I RNG my personality for every single game, so it's fruitless to attempt to do so. You will only end up disappointed. It's N0 so chill, we aren't even working towards a lynch atm. Tell that to Rayn and all the people agreeing that me mentioning not talking makes me scum. (of which there don't appear to be too many anymore, despite what bullshit Rayn may spew) Vayne every time I judge you by your actions I get pissed because most of the time you don't do shit. Which makes you look scummy. And then most of the time you're not. Hence the lynchbait.
I can only speak for myself, I use meta analysis on others all the time since I know most other people just like to settle into a groove when they play.
Completely subjective, I have no power to persuade lynches really so I do what I can to appear town and help people along. You can say I don't do shit, but in most games my reads are very accurate I just lack the persuasion to make them happen.
As an added footnote, I'm fairly certain one of firmtofu or yamato are mafia based on the posts that broke the stillness. They are attempting to explore different lynch options and see what sticks. I look forward to figuring out which one is town.
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On August 21 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:Not that I haven't flung my share of shit at a decent variety of players this game, but if we take a look at rayns filter he has called the following people scum: Me, Geript, WoS, Rainbows, Oats, Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2013 02:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah its all WoS didnt answer me.
and then you referenced it with another game where he was town and said why his non-answering made him scum.
Thats all.
no it's not. you are probably mafia.- and DP In other words, every person who has posted anything worth mentioning except Koshi. Pressuring a variety of people is fine but rayn has already demonstrated an incredible level of certainty regarding the scumminess of at least WoS/Me/Rainbows and the others were pretty strong language for a while as well. I just currently don't see rayn being helpful to town. I see him bidding for dominance in the thread in a way that doesn't seem conducive to success in an N0 start if he believed what he was saying as well. And I see him doing a lot of "Oh yeah X is totally scum" without justifying it at all (the only time he ever justified an opinion was on WoS). It doesn't fit to me, right now. Still waiting on more people to seriously contribute to thread.
I just caught this post. Sno, could you explain how rayn being accusatory and aggressive makes him scum? It looks like you are simply trying to discredit him here.You don't seem to be pushing for his lynch, but you want everyone to ignore him. Why would a townie want this when he isn't in rayn's crosshairs? What town motivation do you have to discredit rayn when he isn't even attacking you?
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