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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:15 GMT
#300
No, WoS is by far better. Comment on what i said.
You can make the same case on WoS you are making on me right now, except that i am able to dewfend myself and WoS apparently is not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:17 GMT
#302
On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP?

Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages.

Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position.

Did you look at Basterd mini mafia, which was between these games. Why not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:22 GMT
#306
On August 20 2013 23:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP?

Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages.

Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position.

Did you look at Basterd mini mafia, which was between these games. Why not?


If that has some relevant info you should have posted THAT as your explanation. If you think I am going to look through all your games to answer a question for you, you are fucking retarded.

No, you asked me why i act differently in this game than in CCM. I explained it to you. Because of setup differences.
Then you call me out for "not learning and bla bla bla..", when i actually have already acted differently inbetween these games. If you are going to call me scum you need to get your facts straight.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:22 GMT
#307
EBWOP: "not saying that i have learned and bla bla.." you get the point..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:28 GMT
#318
Why would Koshi freak out if we both were scum? Because DP is accusing him for nothing?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:30 GMT
#322
On August 20 2013 23:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On August 20 2013 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would Koshi freak out if we both were scum? Because DP is accusing him for nothing?

When did I say you were scum? I've seen Koshi's scum QTs and I know how he gets when under any suspicion at all.

Elaborate please?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:35 GMT
#327
On August 20 2013 23:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
I honestly can't think of another reason Koshi claimed other than he's worried about the pressure he's under.
I've claimed late as a self-aware miller before and it wasn't an issue because my earlier play and continuing play was easily able to assure the rest of town I was town.

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On August 20 2013 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 20 2013 23:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 20 2013 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would Koshi freak out if we both were scum? Because DP is accusing him for nothing?

When did I say you were scum? I've seen Koshi's scum QTs and I know how he gets when under any suspicion at all.

Elaborate please?

Rayn. You were just in this fucking game. GoT where kita fakeclaimed to try and get Koshi to reveal himself? Do you honestly need to me to post scum QT logs that you yourself have?

Yes, post the scum QT to show us how Koshi claimed under pressure.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:39 GMT
#331
On August 20 2013 23:35 DarthPunk wrote:
The dissonance in your position does not change with semi-open or closed setups

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On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point.


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On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers.


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On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The setup was closed. We could not know if there was even gonna be any self-aware millers.


In a both a closed and semi open setup you do not even know if there are any millers nor their number. The set-up being semi-open vs closed does not absolve you of the contradiction


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On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.



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On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point.


In both closed and semi-open setups there may be an investigative role/s. The fact that the set-up is semi-open does not change the fact that you said townies (and millers) should never be checked by a cop. In response to a similiar proposition that you are now using to justify your reversal.

Regardless of the set-up being semi-open or closed your explanation directly contradicts your previous belief that one should never claim miller when you don't know THE EXACT NUMBER of millers and that a townie and thus a miller SHOULD NEVER BE COP CHECKED.

Instead of giving a simple or reasonable explanation to your shift in policy you have provided bullshit reasons and excuses. And I want to know why.

Your case is debunked from Basterd mini mafia where i immediately asked all millers to claim (we knew there was 0-2 millers).

Now, do you think WoS is mafia? Or rather, what makes you think he is not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:39 GMT
#332
Also let go of Koshi, he is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:44 GMT
#338
Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:53 GMT
#349
On August 20 2013 23:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell?

You got fucking caught with ridiculous reasoning and backflipping. Now you can't argue that you didn't 100% backflip and then tried to justify it with fallacious and ever changing arguments you pull out the OMGUS.

You should probably make a case then.
Be sure to read our arguments in this game though. Be also sure to adress the following games as your case is based on meta:
LXI, CCM, Basterd, 4 Persona. I give you a hint, 2 first are alike, and 2 last are alike.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:01 GMT
#361
On August 20 2013 23:59 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 20 2013 23:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 20 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell?

You got fucking caught with ridiculous reasoning and backflipping. Now you can't argue that you didn't 100% backflip and then tried to justify it with fallacious and ever changing arguments you pull out the OMGUS.

You should probably make a case then.
Be sure to read our arguments in this game though. Be also sure to adress the following games as your case is based on meta:
LXI, CCM, Basterd, 4 Persona. I give you a hint, 2 first are alike, and 2 last are alike.


I have made a case. Also don't tell me what to do. K thnks. The setup changes nothing about your arguments and the manner in which they contradict the very premise you were defending.

you are trying to make this about meta. it is not. It is about you directly contradicting yourself. For no foreseeable reason.

I'm done with you 'input' I am happy to talk to others about it.

Apparently you are missing my statement where i clarified my stance to Oats.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:02 GMT
#362
On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2).

DP did you read this post at all?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:05 GMT
#366
On August 21 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
rayn, this isnt about which way of approaching miller claims is right.


Yes i know. But that's the exact "defense" DP was assuming i would give as town.
What gives?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:10 GMT
#371
On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP?

Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages.

Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position.

On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2).

Now if you are town go find real scum, like WoS.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:12 GMT
#374
On August 21 2013 00:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 21 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
rayn, this isnt about which way of approaching miller claims is right.


Yes i know. But that's the exact "defense" DP was assuming i would give as town.
What gives?

DP assumes you would say something like 'what I did in CCM was wrong'

Why the fuck would it matter if what i did in CCM was right or wrong in my opinion?
It does matter what i do in this game and for what reasons. I gave pretty clear reason (at least when you asked me) for why i did what i did.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:13 GMT
#376
On August 21 2013 00:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP?

Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages.

Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position.

On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2).

Now if you are town go find real scum, like WoS.


That isn't what you originally said. IN FACT YOU NEVER ORIGINALLY MENTIONED IT AT ALL. I was clearly talking about your ORIGINAL EXPLANATION so why the fuck you think trying to twist the conversation is going to help you is beyond me.


Because BEFORE YOU EVEN CALLED ME OUT FOR MY ORIGINAL EXPLANATION i wanted to CLARIFY IT AS I REALIZED IT MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTOOD.

Am i being clear enough?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:16 GMT
#378
On August 21 2013 00:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn,
Why is Koshi town? Why did you call me scum?

Because Koshi would not claim miller as scum. I am pretty sure of it, at least now. I like his explanation.
I called you scum because you are not even willing to investigate the WoS matter. He is clearly mafia as he is avoiding answering questions -> not wanting to prove his towniness.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:22 GMT
#382
I do not care to explain my townreads unless they are in danger of getting lynched.
Now excuse me, i'm gonna make a case on WoS.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:23 GMT
#387
On August 21 2013 00:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 00:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn, talk about Koshi.
Why would he not do it as scum, and what do you like about his explanation?

This Koshi talking is somewhat boring. But I can answer that.
Because I don't call JK when 4 people are telling me to claim it. I am not going to claim something "under pressure" because 1 guy made a case. I simply won't do that. But even if I did it, you guys are seriously overreacting that this is a 100% scumclaim. Dnu how long you are going to keep hammering on it.

Oh but i can reference this.
Last game Koshi did not fakeclaim Jailkeeper when he was under serious pressure from BOTH town AND his scumbuddies.
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