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Finding SK is entirely different thing than knowing if there is SK or not.
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On August 20 2013 22:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 21:57 yamato77 wrote:On August 20 2013 21:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 21:47 yamato77 wrote:On August 20 2013 21:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 21:41 yamato77 wrote:On August 20 2013 21:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Damn it I was really hoping to be WaveofShadow the shadow.
So here's a question ladies. It's N0. Someone is gonna die in ~20 hours.
Why are we painting targets on ourselves this early when we don't have a lynch yet? So... we shouldn't post? Well for example, if Rayn is town, playing like he does, he's inevitably going to be targeted by mafia as he often is N1 in most games. I just don't see much of an advantage in attempting to prove yourself towny at this point in the game. Are you trying to tell us about your plans, scum-WoS? How would you expect me to respond to that question, yamato? I was hoping to make you think over what you have written there in the context that it makes little sense from a town perspective. But instead, you think I was serious? No, just wondering what kind of answer you would expect. It makes perfect sense from a town perspective and I've already explained how.
No WoS, it does not make any sense from town perspective and you know it.
You proposed the same thing in Carnival Cruise. As soon as you learned the roles can act on N0 aswell you dropped it and started scumhunting.
You smell scum.
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WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game?
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On August 20 2013 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game? What's different about the way I'm acting in this game and in that one thus far?
In CCM you understood that the correct way is not to not talk at all on N0. Why do you suggest it again now?
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On August 20 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game? What's different about the way I'm acting in this game and in that one thus far? In CCM you understood that the correct way is not to not talk at all on N0. Why do you suggest it again now? Show me how my play is different from my play in CC, Rayn. Did I ever mention anything about changing my mind when I made the 'let's not talk' statement in CC? Hell, did I ever even mention it again?
It's not the point that you changed your mind in CCM.
The point is that you DID change your mind in CCM. I think townies learn from their mistakes (as it was a mistake to make the suggestion in CCM). It does not mean shit what you do now after you said we should not talk. The point is Why are you suggesting a same anti-town idea you mistakenly did in another game - why are you doing the same mistake you should have learned from in the last game?
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Koshi why did you not give me a read on Oats when i asked?
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On August 20 2013 22:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game? What's different about the way I'm acting in this game and in that one thus far? In CCM you understood that the correct way is not to not talk at all on N0. Why do you suggest it again now? Show me how my play is different from my play in CC, Rayn. Did I ever mention anything about changing my mind when I made the 'let's not talk' statement in CC? Hell, did I ever even mention it again? It's not the point that you changed your mind in CCM. The point is that you DID change your mind in CCM. I think townies learn from their mistakes (as it was a mistake to make the suggestion in CCM). It does not mean shit what you do now after you said we should not talk. The point is Why are you suggesting a same anti-town idea you mistakenly did in another game - why are you doing the same mistake you should have learned from in the last game? The fact that you assume I haven't learned is disturbing to me, Rayn. What do you think of Koshi, Rayn?
No, seriously. Why did you suggest that we should not talk? Why are you avoiding the question? I can clearly show from your filter in CCM that you did start scumhunting on N0 when hosts told you also roles can start acting then. You clearly thought you were wrong and staerted acting in the correct manner as town. Why are you proposing the same anti-town idea here again? Just answer me and do not run in circles around the question.
I have no good read on Koshi yet.
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Koshi, How can you say you have no read on Oats as on the last page you just said this:
On August 20 2013 22:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wasnt asking why you think Koshi is scum.
You think yamato isnt serious in his accusation? Why? Oats so smart. Yamato and WoS are scum.
If you do not think this is true why say it in the first place?
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On August 20 2013 22:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game? What's different about the way I'm acting in this game and in that one thus far? In CCM you understood that the correct way is not to not talk at all on N0. Why do you suggest it again now? Show me how my play is different from my play in CC, Rayn. Did I ever mention anything about changing my mind when I made the 'let's not talk' statement in CC? Hell, did I ever even mention it again? It's not the point that you changed your mind in CCM. The point is that you DID change your mind in CCM. I think townies learn from their mistakes (as it was a mistake to make the suggestion in CCM). It does not mean shit what you do now after you said we should not talk. The point is Why are you suggesting a same anti-town idea you mistakenly did in another game - why are you doing the same mistake you should have learned from in the last game? The fact that you assume I haven't learned is disturbing to me, Rayn. What do you think of Koshi, Rayn? No, seriously. Why did you suggest that we should not talk? Why are you avoiding the question? I can clearly show from your filter in CCM that you did start scumhunting on N0 when hosts told you also roles can start acting then. You clearly thought you were wrong and staerted acting in the correct manner as town. Why are you proposing the same anti-town idea here again? Just answer me and do not run in circles around the question. I have no good read on Koshi yet. I'll run in circles as I damn well please. Am I scum or not, Rayn?
Answer me so i can tell. If you do not answer me i am inclined to think yes you are.
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On August 20 2013 22:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Koshi, How can you say you have no read on Oats as on the last page you just said this: On August 20 2013 22:18 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wasnt asking why you think Koshi is scum.
You think yamato isnt serious in his accusation? Why? Oats so smart. Yamato and WoS are scum. If you do not think this is true why say it in the first place? Well, I just liked what he said.
So you do not give people town read for things they say that you like?
Do you think WoS and yamato are scum?
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On August 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote:On August 20 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 22:35 Onegu wrote:On August 20 2013 22:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you giving all this general Advice Onegu, that no one asked for? Because I dont want some of the other people who are newer in the thread to listen to the other people without thinking because no one chalenges them. Why? Why dont you focus on finding scum instead of helping these unnamed people who I dont even know who. I assume you have a specific person in mind Onegu? Mostly rainbows, but there are some other people who I dont know or are recently out of newbies. Why would rainbows or any of these dudes need your advice? Did you see an example that without your advice, they would believe these things which are clearly wrong? Look I dont care if they take my opinion or not, but I prefer if someone disagrees with something they dont just keep it to themselves even if it isnt scum hunting
yeah but you do not disagree. you agree with what people point out earlier.
that's the difference.
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On August 20 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:38 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Koshi, How can you say you have no read on Oats as on the last page you just said this: On August 20 2013 22:18 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wasnt asking why you think Koshi is scum.
You think yamato isnt serious in his accusation? Why? Oats so smart. Yamato and WoS are scum. If you do not think this is true why say it in the first place? Well, I just liked what he said. So you do not give people town read for things they say that you like? Do you think WoS and yamato are scum? Well, at this point I can only give small percentages of town / scum . Sure, Oats can be pro town atm. WoS is playing anti town. yamato is null though. The comment from WoS doesn't necessarily mean that yamato is scum.
Then why did you say yamato is scum?
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WoS, if you are town i hope you answer me before N0 ends.
Because if you do not you are going to be in deep shit regardless of if i die or not and regardless of your alignment.
I see a clear scum motivation in your behaviour and i hope you are going to explain your thought process if you are town.
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WoS be honest with me please. Are you going to answer me or not?
If you are, good.
If you are not, i can make the case right now and then there is no way back.
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On August 20 2013 22:58 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:51 Onegu wrote:On August 20 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:49 Onegu wrote:On August 20 2013 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote:On August 20 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote:On August 20 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 22:35 Onegu wrote:
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Because I dont want some of the other people who are newer in the thread to listen to the other people without thinking because no one chalenges them. Why? Why dont you focus on finding scum instead of helping these unnamed people who I dont even know who. I assume you have a specific person in mind Onegu? Mostly rainbows, but there are some other people who I dont know or are recently out of newbies. Why would rainbows or any of these dudes need your advice? Did you see an example that without your advice, they would believe these things which are clearly wrong? Look I dont care if they take my opinion or not, but I prefer if someone disagrees with something they dont just keep it to themselves even if it isnt scum hunting so whos scum?? We are only 5 pages in but right now WoS is the person I am looking at the most. On August 20 2013 22:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 20 2013 22:47 Onegu wrote:On August 20 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote:On August 20 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote:On August 20 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Why?
Why dont you focus on finding scum instead of helping these unnamed people who I dont even know who. I assume you have a specific person in mind Onegu? Mostly rainbows, but there are some other people who I dont know or are recently out of newbies. Why would rainbows or any of these dudes need your advice? Did you see an example that without your advice, they would believe these things which are clearly wrong? Look I dont care if they take my opinion or not, but I prefer if someone disagrees with something they dont just keep it to themselves even if it isnt scum hunting yeah but you do not disagree. you agree with what people point out earlier. that's the difference. Wait what? I disagree with survior claim, disagree with not posting at night, and answer a question about lynching lurkers.... You're taking the the stance most 'accepted' in thread. lololololol You look the worst right now what do you want. You give the no talk thing, then you call koshi scum because he disagrees with because blues have a hard time getting read (i agree with him), and then you dont say much about the previous game rayne talks about when you know people think it is wrong.
Did you read the game i am talking about? How do you know i am right ans WoS is wrong because i have given no proof about it?
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On August 20 2013 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:First things first I would like rayn to answer how he reconciles his current position with his previous position on miller claims in a night 0 game. This game: Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do. From Carnival Cruise Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:31 ObviousOne wrote:
Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.
The setup was closed. We could not know if there was even gonna be any self-aware millers.
This is semi-open setup. In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point.
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Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2).
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DP did you read what i said about WoS? Thoughts?
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