• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:50
CET 14:50
KST 22:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT3Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up0ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)44Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker14
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? StarCraft 1 & 2 Added to Xbox Game Pass
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) WardiTV Team League Season 10 PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed TvZ is the most complete match up Gypsy to Korea Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? Which units you wish saw more use in the game?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread What Game makes you happy and stress free? Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Best Refurbished Laptop Under 20K in India -EAZYPC Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2391 users

Persona 4 Mini Mafia - Page 2

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 24 2013 06:19 GMT
#1749
because what non SAM townie would claim SAM? If he's town, he's SAM and he checks red. If he's scum, he's not SAM but still checks red.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 24 2013 06:28 GMT
#1754
On August 24 2013 15:22 FirmTofu wrote:
The way I see it:
1) Koshi is SAM and claims SAM
OR
2) Koshi is scum and claims SAM

BOTH are unlikely. There is no realize reason to claim in both scenarios, so it is clear that Koshi made a bad play. However, I do not think the play was alignment indicative. Bad town play is synonymous with bad scum play in that neither alignment want to be doing it. If you can explain to me why scum Koshi would claim SAM, I may consider your theory.

are you thick in the head or just scum? as town he has reason to claim because if someone flips town and he gets parity checked with him and it says opposite he'd get suspected of being scum, and if its just an allignment cop he would come out red. If he gets checked he comes out RED. If he's scum it's obvious why he'd claim SAM. He'd come back red to checks anyways so it would be a way to potentially save him if he gets checked...
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 24 2013 20:15 GMT
#1874
kush i'm so proud of you

yeah yamato easy scum, exactly like GoT. if he flips town i will eat my shoe. I believe fubas claim and I think that his filter is the weakest in your case. I do believe he is telling the truth and is town.

I do want to know what to do about rayn though. No matter what, I'm still going to have a lingering thought that rayn got red checked >_> I know it's not certain but it makes me suspicious of whatever he does now. I don't think rayn is the best lynch considering everything else, so the problems going to remain (for me...I don't know if anyone else feels the same). I think yamato is probably the best lynch.

before this i was eh about onegu, never really thought about him, but yeah you're right kush he looks scummy as fuck

##vote yamato77
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 24 2013 23:36 GMT
#1892
On August 25 2013 08:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Yup Rayne is sk. Scum just gonna rb him the rest of the game to hide his kp.

I agree it's a possibility actually. Let's go over the facts

Rayn asks to be vigged because it's the "right move for town". If we consider that he could be an SK then...he has 2 nightlives AND comes out red to checks. Since koshi is almost 100% turning out red to checks and the parity was same, Rayn is either framed, NSAM, or SK with 2 nightlives. This only really makes sense if fuba is scum or at least lying about being vig. I'm not convinced fuba is scum though, so I dunno if it's true but it's a possibility. I'm more inclined to believe fuba though :|
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 25 2013 01:16 GMT
#1916
On August 25 2013 10:13 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 10:12 Koshi wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:10 Koshi wrote:
You guys don't have a RB sadly D:


I don't think they do either, but in kush's hypothetical scenario we do.

how come you say "they" the first half of the sentence but then switch to "we"? scumslip?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 25 2013 01:19 GMT
#1921
just refreshed the page and it caught my eye
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 25 2013 10:39 GMT
#2082
While I agree sn0 is being ignored...what? That post is pretty freakin scummy, FT. Why would you say Yamato deserves to be lynched then say "well sn0 isn't being discussed so I guess my vote goes to him because he seems like a different player in a different game"? That makes no sense.

I had a decently town read on you but now I'm not so sure
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 26 2013 00:13 GMT
#2125
Okay, thanks for that case on Onegu, Fuba. I was thinking he was scum beforehand and that case just strengthens my opinion. good job. The rainbows case is weaker for sure. I'm pretty null on Rainbows, I can't really see a scum motivation for anything he's been doing. It's just weird. I dunno. He could be scum but I'm pretty null on him.

Yeah, sure thing Koshi.

I'm like 95% sure yamato and onegu are scum.

the last one (assuming 4 scum, which makes sense in this setup) is a bit trickier I think. We can't ignore that rayn has a red check on him...his posting hasn't been exactly pro town either, but he does seem to be trying to catch scum :\ FirmTofu could be also. He has a lot of individual scummy posts but also a lot of individual posts that seem to be contributing to discussion. I'm not sure about him, he could very well be scum. Rainbows COULD be scum, I won't rule that out, but I don't think he is right now..he is very SCUMMY but I'm not sure if he is SCUM. The last option is Sn0. Onegu's actions in voting sn0 really look like a bus to me...I otherwise think he would be a townie but bleh. it's possible it's sn0.

So Yamato, Onegu, and one of Rayn/FT/Rainbows/sn0

If I were to pick one...eh shit I have no idea. Maybe rayn? He's been shitting up the thread for a long time, but apparently he does that as town too. I have no idea.

Everyone else is pretty townie...but hell that's only like me and 3 other people >_> this game is just really scummy. Anyways, I'm pretty confident in Yamato and Onegu.

I'm okay lynching either yamato or onegu.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 26 2013 01:04 GMT
#2130
i'll be honest it took me forever to figure out who the lion king was as well
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 26 2013 03:47 GMT
#2142
Could we have an updated vote count, please?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 26 2013 03:57 GMT
#2144
Votes are too close atm. scum could easily redirect a vote towards the end of the day. I don't like that.

##unvote

##vote Onegu
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 27 2013 05:41 GMT
#2267
guys school starts for me tomorrow so i won't be able to post from 8-3 pst but i'll try to make up for it by posting more after school
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 28 2013 05:10 GMT
#2436
im not scum btw kush

*yawn* got no sleep last night so I fell asleep right as I got home. sorry for not posting earlier. Ft is scummy as fuck. Yamato is fitting his scum meta to a t. Seriously, how is he still alive? Just look at his filter. Has he done anything to help town in any way shape or form? He comments from the sidelines occasionally then appears to defend himself whenever someone has a case against him. Scum.

Scum most likely lie within VA, sn0, FT, Rainbows, and yamato. I'm pretty freaking convinced yamato is one of the scum. Koshi's post pre-daypost is pretty convincing to me that FT is likely scum but he has been pretty convincing since he has been accused >_> I definitely would have liked him to start posting this way a long time ago. Since he only started posting non fluff actively after being accused I'll put him as still likely scum. Sn0 tunneling FT looks like a bus or something. I think it would make a lot of sense if sn0 and FT are on the same scumteam, tbh and I don't know why the current town sentiment seems to be thinking that they can't both possibly be scum. He tunneled rayn...and rayn tunneled him...we can't ignore that. I find myself agreeing with rayn, a dead man. Particularly this post: + Show Spoiler +
On August 26 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have concluded that yamato, FirmTofu and one of johnnywup/Sn0_man are mafia:

This is mostly due to process of elimination. I don't think there is any chance of mkfuba or Koshi to be scum. I do not think kushmasta is scum. Rainbows is probably town because of the following. In our newbie game Rainbows was inactive at the start of the game. When he finally got in thread, the first thing he did was to check scum QT for what is going on. I do not think he would do this "lol you can't be cop, lynch rayn!" if he was mafia, he would have checked the scum QT first and he would see how stupid his accusation on me is. vayne if you are town i suggest you pick your game up because you are another questionmark, although johnnywup and Snodude look a lot worse than you do, and yamato is accusing you.

FirmTofu did consider Snoman as a lynch over Onegu. There were 2 candidates who could have been possibly lynched over Onegu last day. They were yamato and Rainbows. FirmTofu said nothing about them, and when i brought up Rainbows he went over his filter and voted for him in the end. When Onegu corrected me and said yamato is actually the only one we can get a lynch on, FirmTofu left. He did not even look at who were realisticly possible to lynch, and when we got our shit together with Onegu, he left.

Snodude wasted his vote. totally. This added to his play before makes him very likely mafia. johnnywup's reasons for voting on D2 are horrible. geript was scummy. Very likely mafia. snodude and yamato do not address each other like ever.. yamato soft pushed Sno, who has been looking scummy all game, but does notthing to question him, does nothing to find out his alignment. yamato also has not even tried to lead the town into any direction. He just comments on some things going on into the game, makes some random comments that do not help the town at all, does not try to push any lynches for real, does not defend/attack anyone. He is a definition of blending in.

Pick from those guys on D3. i'd say FirmTofu and yamato are definitely scum. Then one of johnnywup / Snoman. I'd place my bets on Sno over johnny.

. I think that's a good sign because THAT may be what he was killed for. I obviously disagree about me being suspect but besides that, I'm agreeing with his post more and more.

I'm fairly confident at least 2 out of 3 of yamato/sn0/firmtofu is scum. It could certainly be all 3. If it's not all 3:

Who is the scum, if one of the three isn't mafia? I'd say Rainbows is a possibility. I sort of have a weak town read on him but I feel like FT and yamato might know they're going down and are voting him to discredit the thought that he might be scum. Who knows. He's been pretty useless but like someone said (I forget who) he does have a couple posts that I can't see a scum Rainbows making. VA is being weird right now and won't lynch FT. I'm not sure if that's a very obvious scum trying to help another scum avoid a lynch or what...it seems way too obvious to be that...:\ I think these are the two we should look at if any of the three I listed does not flip scum, but I think we should obviously lynch those 3 first.

I do think that yamato FT and sn0 are probably the remaining scumteam.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 28 2013 05:29 GMT
#2440
@FT he was onto you guys so you didn't want to have an extra vote on you for no reason

@vayne it's not possible to have 2 SAMs? you can't really counterclaim a green role it has no power so there's not really any limit to how many there can be?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 28 2013 05:31 GMT
#2443
oh i didn't know that
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 28 2013 05:33 GMT
#2444
On August 28 2013 14:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 14:29 johnnywup wrote:
@FT he was onto you guys so you didn't want to have an extra vote on you for no reason

@vayne it's not possible to have 2 SAMs? you can't really counterclaim a green role it has no power so there's not really any limit to how many there can be?


no, it's not. It's a semi-closed setup if you read =/ All power roles are individual people, so you can't have two of them. There only only be more than 1 of vanilla town and vanilla scum.

Setup: Semi-closed. You will know the roles, but not how many of each there will be.


you sure?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 29 2013 01:30 GMT
#2496
who should i vote for fuba? I don't want to die ----------- why are you tunneling me so hard?

and yes vayne i'm busy school started so i'm not here throughout the day.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 29 2013 01:52 GMT
#2502
wtf ft he can speak for himself. wouldn't you want me to vote for one of YOUR biggest scumreads rather than HIS biggest scumreads?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 29 2013 02:10 GMT
#2510
just because theres 2 options doesn't mean its 50/50 lol
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 29 2013 02:11 GMT
#2511
you're either scum or not scum ft that means it's 50/50. do you see how dumb that argument is?
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Winter Champion…
12:00
Last Chance Qualifier
WardiTV758
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko327
Rex 118
BRAT_OK 100
Vindicta 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 41655
Sea 4975
Horang2 2637
Shuttle 1567
GuemChi 1208
Mini 962
ggaemo 752
actioN 240
Mong 184
sorry 101
[ Show more ]
Pusan 94
ToSsGirL 61
sSak 51
Backho 42
Aegong 40
[sc1f]eonzerg 36
scan(afreeca) 32
Noble 19
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
Terrorterran 13
soO 13
Sacsri 12
Bale 7
NotJumperer 2
Dota 2
Gorgc4438
XcaliburYe136
febbydoto12
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2272
zeus1084
x6flipin647
edward53
Other Games
B2W.Neo710
hiko326
crisheroes325
Happy114
Hui .85
QueenE81
XaKoH 59
Trikslyr23
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL30132
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota253
League of Legends
• Nemesis8541
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
11h 10m
Replay Cast
19h 10m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
22h 10m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 19h
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
1d 20h
KCM Race Survival
1d 20h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 22h
OSC
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Epic.LAN
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-League Week 31
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
WardiTV Winter 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.