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Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 22 2013 13:42 GMT
#1020
Try not to let the thread run too fast.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 22 2013 13:51 GMT
#1023
On August 22 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote:
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On August 22 2013 22:39 Crazometer wrote:
On August 22 2013 21:34 Koshi wrote:
On August 22 2013 21:29 geript wrote:
## unvote
## vote crazometer

This is blatantly obvious. His argument was "I'm suspicious of someone because they're not suspicious of me". You can't have any more implied guilt.

What about his other posts? Do you find him sincere in his posting or is he playing games?


How much do votes weigh in these games? Do people tend to jump around or are they taken fairly seriously? In the case that they are serious I'm going to say this retaliation to my mild post about you reads of scumdog millionaire.

Some people jump around, some people let their vote stick.

I don't understand what the bolded part means.


My main motivation was to use that phrase . The point I was trying to get to was I felt that geript was jumping the gun a bit by dropping his vote on me. I was of the mind that the catalyst may have been me expressing some doubts about him and that he took it too personally which tends to be a Shadow tell. A few other people harassed him lightly as well though so I can't go too far down that line of thought.
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Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 23 2013 10:17 GMT
#1498
Up to page 55. I'll eat some food and post soon. If anything is important to be up to speed immediately then chuck in a post.
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Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 23 2013 14:50 GMT
#1575
Shit. I didn't get time to catch up on the whole thread but this is wayyy out of control. I don't know what happened 55 - 76 but I'm hoping it was strong. Prior to that he did seem suspicious and I trusted rayn in what he was saying about him (because it made sense - maybe I was too eager to trust) but that was weirrrddd that he didn't hardclaim imo. I wonder who WoS checked n0 his filter should be of help there.

Sorry for my lack of activity but I stayed back at uni today and Friday nights :glug: Eurgh that post was a mess forgive me.
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Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 04:51 GMT
#1733
I agree with the sentiment that Rayns parity check is inconclusive however I wouldn't go as far as tofu suggested and discard it completely. Perhaps the other cop, should they exist, will be able to work some magic for us tonight to figure that all out. I'm curious as to what other people think the chances of the SAM claim being accurate are? I'll look through his filter now and try to produce a number.

Otherwise, sn0 and vayne are probably the most suspicious to me. The pointed out sn0 attitude flip (against other threads) just doesn't feel right, he seems to bounce around from high to low spirited too much as well. Something about Vayne doesn't smell right either so I'll look through his filter and see if anything pops up but I'll probably get what I search for.
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Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 04:53 GMT
#1734
To add to the above though I still find myself agreeing with much of what Sn0 is saying.
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Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 05:26 GMT
#1735
Ok this is my take on Kosh being SAM. The number of positive points indicate the likelihood of the SAM claim being true.

On August 20 2013 20:37 Koshi wrote:
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On August 20 2013 20:36 yamato77 wrote:
On August 20 2013 20:35 Koshi wrote:
If I roll survivor I will just claim with my first post and afk the rest of the game. Biggest chance to success.

...

Did you not read your role PM or something?

I did and I was disappointed.


Self aware is hard to play and hard to leverage in your favour so it is an understandable point. +1

Add some decent breadcrumming (not quoteworthy) in the survivor claim discussion. +1

On August 20 2013 23:24 Koshi wrote:
Meh, dnu if I should claim now or later. Actually wanted to claim with my first post but decided to wait a bit.

But I am the self aware miller guy.


Sounds weak. Trying to act not overly interested (WIFOM scum play). Page 16 getting pretty late, occurs after some light pressure from rayn. -1

Very consistently anti WOS for the whole thread but it seems that those thoughts were shared by many ~0

On August 23 2013 22:19 Koshi wrote:
Fuck it. I am going to go with rayn is still town.

Makes a call rather than remaining undecided. I'm unsure on what occasions, if any, that as a scum he would claim rayn is scum. If he is indeed SAM I wouldn't put too much weight on his call but would agree with it. ~0

Rest of thread -- general town play +2

Total: +3 If I had to, I'd say that he was being honest. Well that was pretty inconclusive/uninformative, I wouldnt've posted it if I hadn't been typing it as I went along. I flipped through a few more of his pages but nothing struck me.
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Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 05:45 GMT
#1738
Re Vayne:

Pages 1-2 of his filter give a strong townie vibe, but beyond shooting down yamato there isn't much contribution.

On August 23 2013 09:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On August 23 2013 09:44 yamato77 wrote:
On August 23 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
By that same token, you are mafia yamato. No real pressure this game yet.

Yamato's case

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I've been far more proactive in the thread than you have. I haven't played since yesterday, so what? I'm here now, and you still have yet to do anything to discount the feeling I have that you are mafia.


and back to square one, the proactive thing again. A lot of people that like repeating stuff in this game like it somehow sounds better the second time.

I've easily discredited everything you've said so far so I'll leave it at that. If you have anything new i'll be glad to demolish that too.


Cocky, anti-discussion.

On August 24 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On August 24 2013 02:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
Its hard to read you as town when you did literally no scumhunting D1, threw away your vote on somebody who obviously wasn't getting lynched AND never even tried to convince others to lynch him, made no case on him beyond "well you voted me and I warned you I'll vote you back" and are now calling him "insanely scummy" still without further justification. And are implying that you have done your job and that it certainly couldn't be even a fraction your fault that we just lynched a powerful blue role.

I'd love to hear some reasons why yamato is scummy. Preferably compare/contrast them to A) a confirmed red check and B) Actively driving a mislynch for ~70 hours.


whats the point of convincing you of anything when you are already too biased?

All of the things you just said describe yamato also but he somehow isn't scummy to you. Hmm..

1. threw away his vote as well

2. did no scumhunting

3. said he would not change his vote no matter what



Yamato contributed more day 1. I really wish he didn't also play awfully by voting the way he did, but he isn't here claiming he did his job by OMGUSing. The very act of taking the initiative to vote for somebody of his own accord is better than just sitting there waiting for somebody to vote you so you can vote them back.

I mean, you just listed what he did, said he did the same as you, and described him as insanely scummy. Also where did I call him "not scummy" I said nobody made a case on him including you.

Really, I don't want to lynch you for at least 5 IRL days so I'm not sure why you are so convinced I'm biased against you.


andd checkmate. What alignment am I again when I look really scummy? Oh that's right, town.

why do you need a case so badly to decide of somebody is scum or not? Can't think on your own without sheeping a case to make yourself look decent?

Bias is pretty much the definition of my last post; you are arguing with me about what I am doing when yamato is doing the same exact thing then asking me why he is scummy? How does that make any sense?

Yamato contributing more is completely subjective so not even going to comment on that.


Cocky, anti discussion. As one of the town you tend to have a stronger passion and more of an urgency in your scumhunting. I'm not really seeing any of that here. He seems to be happy, perhaps even prefer, to have others not agree with him.

On August 24 2013 02:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On August 24 2013 02:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
@vayne Sorry, I don't have the time to comprehensively reread 14 people every time they post. I start with a read, and it develops as they post (yam looked town). If you wish to make me reconsider, make a case and if it looks promising I will re-evaluate that person completely via filter etc. Very simple.

Did you seriously just say that "When I'm Scummy that means I'm town"?

This from the guy that started the game with "Please don't judge me by meta but rather by actions" at the start of this game. I just quoted that post like last page.

Yamato contributing more is absolutely objective because he took any initiative whatsoever instead of sitting inside his castle waiting for somebody to come and attack him. He bothered to even call somebody scummy instead of literally "I warned you this would happen" and counter vote 0 argument.

You are free to contribute now though, and if you wish to do so then more power to you. If you achieve anything I'll get off your back.


How is that meta? It's a simple fact. Check any game I've ever played in. When nobody suspects me, I have been scum more often than not. When people say I look scummy I'm town because scum need to try and make garbage tier arguments on the less tryhard players since that's all they can really do.

Why do you care how we got to the end result? The fact of the matter is yamato did no more than me in getting a scum lynched yesterday, anything other than that is your completely biased opinion.

I'll contribute on my own grounds, until I know at least one scum there is very few people I trust right now


It really all comes off cocky and lone rangerish. At first I thought he was a strong silent type but now I'm leaning towards a red or black role. Maybe he just had a bad day .
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 05:46 GMT
#1739
Yeah re: Koshi as I mentioned it did seem wasted. I suppose it was partially my way of catching up on the thread.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 05:52 GMT
#1741
I don't give a damn if you care anymore, it speaks far to your attitude about the game. Perhaps I shouldn't think out loud but I needed time to respond to what has happened. I prefer to be transparent, but you can skip over it if it suits you.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 06:49 GMT
#1764
Slightly OT, but doe people play these games with more of a 'I'd die for the town' mentality or is it more of a 'I want to get to the end and have the town win too' mentality. I tend to take these games too literally and start to hover towards the later which is why I would understand a SAM claim bc it means scum wont bother with you.

Regardless of that I still don't really get the line you are trying to push. If someone counterclaims then we know something is rotten between 1 of 2 people (cop doesnt have to check either of them, bodyguard probably shouldn't protect either of them). In the case of no counterclaim you become a 'semi-safe' townie. If as scum you claim then there is a town counterclaim you are in for a bad time.

As for drawing attention to yourself, that didn't seem to make any impact this thread.

To be adventurous let's investigate an alternate reality
-No SAM claim
-Rayn and Koshi return same

What does Koshi now do? Start pushing a case against Rayn with no evidence?
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 06:52 GMT
#1766
My previous post was directed at FT btw. In regards to geript and johnny I'm having trouble associating the two of them as a single entity mentally, so I wanted to take some more time to see how the new guy behaves. I do find it of interest that he is continuing down a similar path to geript though. It may be out of necessity, convenience or just unsure of what to do? Who knows.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 06:55 GMT
#1769
I'll start quoting my posts I'm not used to the thread moving so fast -.-
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 07:47 GMT
#1775
^What makes you think that? If I go down kill vayne lol
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 09:45 GMT
#1784
On August 24 2013 18:34 yamato77 wrote:
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On August 24 2013 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i think FirmTofu and Oats are mafia.

Why do you say that?


I am also interested. I'm confident it wont be a case of the rayn train stopping at all stations. FT seemed a bit bizzare in his explanation before but I'm unsure what to think of oats.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Crazometer
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia45 Posts
August 24 2013 12:09 GMT
#1817
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