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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 10:20 GMT
#1791
On August 24 2013 19:13 yamato77 wrote:
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On August 24 2013 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing i would like you to explain. Why do you have such a strong town read on me? Because your reason was "he is too batshit insane to be scum". That is extremely weak reasoning knowing you have just played a scumgame with me. johnnywup was right on that, this game looks a lot like my play in GoT, but then again, it does look like my town games aswell. How can you possibly have a townread on me based on what i did on N0? To me it makes no sense.

Because I'm good at getting townreads on players like you. How do you think I play with Oats every game?

Also i wanted to comment on this. You should not be confident in getting townread on me. I listened your podcast on Catch 22 D1 (it was very good btw), and your read on me put a smile on my face.

tbh i think the only person i have seen who i think will be able to catch me (like really catch me - pants down) when i am mafia is Hapahauli.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 10:22 GMT
#1792
Bleh, sorry for tripleposting. This is also why i don't like Rainbows. He has played scum with me, and seems to have zero doubt on me. He should, if he is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 10:50 GMT
#1795
On August 24 2013 19:39 yamato77 wrote:
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On August 24 2013 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So let's talk. What do you think of what i wrote on FT & oats?

I don't think your point against FT is strong (him contradicting his own read is not necessarily a scum tell), but he has been suspicious with what he's written this game and especially with how he entered the thread, as I've said before. His initial reads were written wonky with stuff like "he looks town so he's scum" and vice versa that just sounds like bullshit. Haven't read him too closely, but like I said earlier in the game I get scum vibes from him.

Early on Oats seemed town but I feel like his thread presence is lower than it usually is when he's town. His reads don't seem as strong and he hasn't been particularly forward with pushing them, either. In my experience, when he's scum he's a lot more passive and agreeable and his activity tapers off. I'm not sure on him at all but it should be more clear as the game goes on.

I agree that FT entered the thread the same way he did in Titanic. A big post with lots of reads that say pretty much nothing conclusive. I think his thought process was easy to follow after that, until N1 started. Then he went back to "i make no sense".

So we agree on Oats.

On August 24 2013 19:39 yamato77 wrote:
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On August 24 2013 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bleh, sorry for tripleposting. This is also why i don't like Rainbows. He has played scum with me, and seems to have zero doubt on me. He should, if he is town.

I don't know what to tell you except that maybe you aren't as difficult to read as town as you think you are?

It's far easier to get a townread on someone than get a solid scumread.

I think this is plain out wrong. In GoT i was town read for almost everyone before we decided to all in and claim scum with Acro. In Catch 22 i was town read for everyone but Hapa (and apparently Coag, and his reasons for shooting me still remain unknown to me - he just said "i didn't like you" post game). In NMXXXsomething i was town read for everyone besides the guy i accused throughout the game. Those are the games i have been able to play to my true potential as mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 10:52 GMT
#1797
I mean, people seem to always have a townread on me, regardless of my alignment. So you can't really say i am "easier to read as town than i think". Because i surely as hell am not a shiny beacon as towniness as town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 10:55 GMT
#1799
In case the vig shoots me i propose you guys do this:
- Read Darthpunk's filter! The dude is good at this shit.
- Read my filter. Ignore anything that is about WoS. Read other stuff.
- Read WoS filter. Ignore everything about me & Koshi. (Sadly there is not much there).

goodluck guys!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 10:58 GMT
#1800
yamato what i meant is that if you are being read as town when you are mafia by almost everyone, people should doubt their townread on you in every game. To at least some extent.

I would still like you to tell me why do you think i am town, and how does my play differ from my play in games where i have been mafia? Otherwise it's hard to believe you have a "valid" read on me.

Same thing could be said especially about Rainbows.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 11:09 GMT
#1805
wow, that was unexpected. This means johnnywup is almost definitely town.
##Vote: yamato77
His last post is 100% wrong.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 11:12 GMT
#1807
I do not mean my meta. I mean this:
You wouldn't play this balls out as mafia because it leads you to exactly where you are; under a microscope with a cop having checked you and people wanting to vig/lynch you.

Being balls out and the most active and involved player in the game leads you not likely to be checked by the cop. It also leads you being a townread for most of the people.

Would you seriously say anyone other than WoS would have checked me on N0 as a cop? Because the answer is no.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 11:17 GMT
#1809
It's probably not wise to claim as a vigi even if you are the one-shot one. There is also the possibility of JOAT so keep mafia guessing. Well done!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 11:18 GMT
#1810
On August 24 2013 20:16 yamato77 wrote:
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On August 24 2013 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not mean my meta. I mean this:
You wouldn't play this balls out as mafia because it leads you to exactly where you are; under a microscope with a cop having checked you and people wanting to vig/lynch you.

Being balls out and the most active and involved player in the game leads you not likely to be checked by the cop. It also leads you being a townread for most of the people.

Would you seriously say anyone other than WoS would have checked me on N0 as a cop? Because the answer is no.

Plenty of people weren't sold on you being town on N0, dude.

Perhaps I worded that poorly. Being active as mafia means that your agenda will be more obvious, and it WILL eventually become clear what you have been doing this game, which leads to being looked at harder. No mafia wants to post 18 pages in 72 hours because you're going to get caught posting that much. Town players, however, don't care what the posts they make look like and will, as you have this game, spam the fuck away.

Voting for me because you disagree with how I think mafia should play is a little ridiculous, btw.

Okay, who would have chacked me on N0 as a cop in your opinion, aside from WoS?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 11:19 GMT
#1813
And yes, i always push my agenda as mafia aswell. And do it with a lot of posts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 11:23 GMT
#1815
So who do we lynch and why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 12:18 GMT
#1822
I do not care who that was but that is 100% right. And yamato thinks so too. I also listened the podcast, it was cool, although i would have preferred a bit more talk about the actual game. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 12:27 GMT
#1825
On August 24 2013 20:18 yamato77 wrote:
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On August 24 2013 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's probably not wise to claim as a vigi even if you are the one-shot one. There is also the possibility of JOAT so keep mafia guessing. Well done!

Could easily be SK, IMO. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Why would SK not shoot on N0?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 12:28 GMT
#1826
Is doctor and/or his target informed in case of succesful protection?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 21:09 GMT
#1876
On August 25 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
btw, I can't see us having a cop, doctor, and JOAT in the same game so I'm pretty sure that last blue spot is just the one shot vigilante, meaning they are basically VT now. If I'm correct it might be worth coming forward on who shot crazo and seeing if there are any CCs. It would make this lynch a lot easier if we had confirmed town leading it.

Why don't you vote for yamato, who gives the doubt of SK?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 21:11 GMT
#1877
sry, i did not read the thread fully. yeah sno, yamato, rainbows, crazo. ggyo!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 21:23 GMT
#1878
On August 25 2013 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
yes the oats medic thing is a lot weirder. I wonder if he actually used his saves this game? DP seemed like an obvious choice just like vivax was in titanic but he never saves anyone

anyways
##vote:yamato77

im outta here for now

Oats prolly docced me on N0, as DP died. There were no other good targets.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 21:41 GMT
#1881
On August 25 2013 06:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
As an aside, Crazo simply put a vote on kush and never felt the need to change it, which makes me feel like day 1 was a town vs town lynch. I have a lot more inhibitions about lynching sn0_man now. I feel like rainbows is the more likely missing link, if it isn't rayn and just sitting in our face.

sorry, i do not understand. Can you explain?
Also can you explain to me specifically (assume i am town, so i can make some sense in your explanation).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2013 21:45 GMT
#1882
blah, i mean, vayne, can you explain this specifically to me, assume i am town. thanks :p
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