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On September 10 2013 04:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.
It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared. Why are you so content to believe that he is town when has essentially done the exact same thing as I originally did by refusing to claim, and now fucking off? Ah've liked me some of them thur posts he's made since right before lynch D3.
Also, because of a HUGE difference. He didn't claim and fucked off. You partially claimed, tried to hold that up as some enormous act of caring, while claiming neutral survivor 3P.
YOUR claim is that nobody wants to kill you, and you want nobody to kill you. That 100000% does not fit with not revealing stuff, the fact you're hiding things while claiming that all you want to do is not get killed and you don't want to kill anyone means that you are lying.
As of right now, he is refusing to claim, but I don't know of any straight up lies he's telling.
AND I FRIGGING WOULD RATHER LYNCH SCUM THAN 3P THAT MIGHT BE ANTI-TOWN OR SOMETHING BUT BECAUSE YOU KEEP ON LYING I KEEP GETTING FOCUSED ON YOU BECAUSE HOLY CRAP WHY ARE YOU HIDING THINGS WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?
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On September 10 2013 04:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.
It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared. He did one thing in Casket I remember: Yell at people to lynch ObviousOne. He was so adamant about it -- more adamant than anything else he's done in this game. Yet, he didn't have a vote in the lynch. Was he doing this for towncred when either debears or OO flipped? Seems like an easy thing for mafia to do, sit on the sidelines in another thread and push the correct lynch without having a vote to back it up. I point this out because Hiro hasn't pushed any other lynch that hard, and the one he pushes he has no weight in? They also traded votes on each other D2 before Hiro voted Hassy.
It's the thing that gives me the most pause, but "Hiro is scum and he and OO just bussed each other for funsies" fits the bill a lot more to me than "Hiro is town and doing scummy stuff."
Seriously. Read the posts on him. Read his actual filter.
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Not a fan of you both pushing axle after initially voting him to get him to roleclaim, and now really pushing him for lynch because...he hasn't roleclaimed.
Has he been scummy other than NOT ROLECLAIMING? This is D4. Before today neither of you wanted to lynch Axle from what I could see. And now suddenly Axle is the numbah wan ichiban lynch because he won't claim? His last couple hours and not claiming are so horrid and unthinkably scummy that he's got to get lynched more than people doing scummy stuff all game?
randombum is a fall back lynch to me. If I shoot him, we get to hopefully lynch scum and DEFINITELY not shoot town. If we lynch him and shoot someone else, we possibly hit townies with BOTH. Unless you think I'm lying about my claim, why is he a better lynch than shot?
Ceph...post
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Cephiro, specific question.
Why give Zentor an item if you want him dead?
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I will wait on this post, but I'm curious. I would very much like to lynch him, because he certainly do him some scummy things and you can never ever ever get any traction on even discussing him.
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Why lynch randombum over shooting him?
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As far as I can tell, the ONLY reason is that MAYBE he is a pokeman master, based on absolutely nothing.
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I don't want to no-lynch again.
Right now I'd rather lynch Hiro unless Cephiro got all sorts of magical convincing reasons not to. Behind that, I'd rather, ugh. I don't like axle for scum.
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Because if we lynch him and shoot other, two chances to hit scum/3P, two chances to hit town.
If we lynch other and shoot him, two chances to hit scum/3P, one chance to hit town.
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Nope, we can shoot anyone.
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On September 10 2013 05:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 05:49 austinmcc wrote:
Because if we lynch him and shoot other, two chances to hit scum/3P, two chances to hit town.
If we lynch other and shoot him, two chances to hit scum/3P, one chance to hit town. Have you considered #YOLO? I prefer BOGO
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On September 10 2013 06:02 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Cephiro's plan makes no fucking sense. In case Hiro is scum and Zentor is town scum just nuked a townie and got another item and Cephiro is the one to blame. Yup. That is indeed the case. Would you like to suggest a better way of action I could have gone with? Yes.
(1) Not giving items to people you think might be scum - We're in a big themed game. We've already had someone RESURRECT. Your plan, if Zentor was scum, was to have someone openly announce in the thread that they were going to kill him at the end of the cycle. If Zentor was scum and a vet, if scum had another dayvig, if scum had a roleblock during day, if scum had all sorts of stuff, then EVEN IF Zentor was scum, your plan ends up with him having an item when he otherwise wouldn't.
(2) Not trusting hirololololol. You have no special reason to believe him town? He was just a big townread despite his play?
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##vote:HiroPro
He may fit into your plan. Your plan may be wonderful. But if you have no outside reasons why HiroPro is town, other than "I gave him some KP and he used it on the target I ordered him to, because holy crap scum would never follow instructions rather than out themselves in thread by just blowing up someone really townie," then I do not like it.
Whatever your plan may be, it hinges upon town HiroPro. He ain't in this game.
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Has he done anything as part of this plan other than crushing Zentor? Put yourself outside the plan (if you're town).
If HiroPro is town, he probably follows along, pew pew Zentor.
If HiroPro is mafia, he does...what? He crushes someone else? He says he never got the crusher? The moment he gets involved in something he doesn't fully understand, he HAS to follow instructions, or it may very well be a scumclaim. And if HE refuses to follow instructions and basically scumclaims, he almost certainly dies. And if he dies and flips scum, we 100% flip Zentor.
Mafia HiroPro HAS to follow the plan. Him crushing Zentor doesn't indicate anything.
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On September 09 2013 01:28 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 01:26 HiroPro wrote:On September 08 2013 21:00 Cephiro wrote:
Alright. Hiro, once you're on and actively reading the thread, inform me here in the thread. I'm decided on the target now. I want you to use the item on that person instantly once I call the target, is that fine with you regardless of whom I choose? I'm here. Alright. Are you ready and will you do it? On September 09 2013 01:28 HiroPro wrote:
Yea, I'm cool with it. On September 09 2013 01:28 Cephiro wrote:
Use it on Zentor. On September 09 2013 01:29 HiroPro wrote:
##Crush: MrZentor
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The timing is fine. Anyone quibbling with the timing super hard is looking for an excuse to place a vote here or there, because the timing from asking to killing is absolutely not the alignment-determinative part of this whole saga.
However, the dude's play is not town.
VE, our maybe-neutral 3P with a buddy who is a maybe-neutral 3P, care to give some thoughts? There was a lot of stuff tangential to you today. Also, you know, lynch and whatnot.
Random side-question, are you just a suit of armor now?
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On September 10 2013 06:24 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 06:23 Risen wrote:On September 10 2013 06:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I still think axle is town, I dunno about hiro but I think zentor is gonna flip scum and that would make hiro town.
We really should consolidate, but interest in randombum seems to be going away because of the austin check that MIGHT happen??
I'm really tempted to just lynch into one of the 3p claims because this is just ridiculous. And just when I have consolidated my final three scum reads you come in and say stupid shit like this. He IMMEDIATELY crushed zentor without even a question of why. If he's scum with zentor why would he do that?!? What else does he do?
He goes, "I don't know Kev...." and dawdles around? He's already said he'll crush the target of choice. He just afks for 2 hours? He crushes someone else?
What legitimate options does scumHiro have in that circumstance?
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All three of Cephiro/MrZ/Hiro being scum is ridonkulous.
But to everyone saying MrZ and Hiro can't both be scum, you need to explain two things:
(1) What is your read on HiroPro ASIDE FROM the start of D4? Actions, votes, he has played this game.
(2) What course of action does scum HiroPro take if asked to crush scum MrZ apart from doing it?
For SUPER conspiracy theorists out there, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT ZENTOR IS GETTING KILLED. Let's all read Koshi's role.
On September 05 2013 09:17 GreYMisT wrote:
Koshi, as Cave Johnson, has died!
Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2! You are Cave Johnson!, the old CEO of Aperture Science. You don't like how the robots and weirdos have taken over, so you are taking back what's yours! You still lead a large R&D team somehow, so you can make some pretty cool inventions. You may choose 2 players and move them next to each other on the player list (they will move the shortest path). You may invent any item and give it to one of those players. Once per game, you may decide to meddle with the scientific process and give out the invention to both players you move, designating one of them to not function at all. Because of you charisma you have managed somehow to work your way into Black Mesa REDACTED. You are town aligned, but only win with the town if all other Number Redacted members of Black mesa are dead.
"Just a heads up, we're gonna have a super conductor turned up full blast and pointed at you for the duration of this next test. I'll be honest, we're throwing science at the walls here to see what sticks. No idea what it'll do"
There is a CHANCE that the crusher is fake in the first place.
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Hi Cheesecake,
Here's all you've said about Hiro:On September 10 2013 04:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.
It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared. He did one thing in Casket I remember: Yell at people to lynch ObviousOne. He was so adamant about it -- more adamant than anything else he's done in this game. Yet, he didn't have a vote in the lynch. Was he doing this for towncred when either debears or OO flipped? Seems like an easy thing for mafia to do, sit on the sidelines in another thread and push the correct lynch without having a vote to back it up. I point this out because Hiro hasn't pushed any other lynch that hard, and the one he pushes he has no weight in?
You said you'd look at him. It appears you thought about it. You point out a thing that's "an easy thing for mafia to do."
Yet you don't comment any further than that. You don't say whether you think he's scum or town. You make it conditional on flips. HiroPro is EITHER town or scum right now. Before Zentor flips. Or I guess he could be an 18th 3P. But he's got an alignment right this second. It behooves all townies to try and discern that alignment.
So, forget the conspiracy theory, and focus.
What is your read on HiroPro?
What course of action does scum HiroPro take if asked to crush scum MrZ apart from crushing?
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On September 10 2013 06:39 Cephiro wrote:
In that case, either WaveOfShadow or the killer of VayneAuthority would have that item. I have not seen Wave claiming it, I do not believe he has one. I assume scum killed Vayne, I am sure they would have used the item already. I would have used mine instantly on D3 if I could have. Thus, we can safely assume Zentor flips. Wat?
How do you know who Koshi gave items to? Did I miss something?
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