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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 16:31 GMT
#3280
On September 07 2013 01:28 austinmcc wrote:
debears, why was/am i mafia?


I dropped that line of thinking after seeing the sleeper cell stuff, hence why I did not vote you
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 16:31 GMT
#3281
ebwop nirvana strike you
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 16:36 GMT
#3284
Oh, well the line of thinking was the last game I was with you (nomination or something), I remember at one point you had quite the controlling thread presence with limited posting, and your posting had been well thought out, decisive, and logical. You're earlier posting looked to me like you were "faking" involvement, due to the fact you didn't really continue on the path.

Notes say "really serious entry post that didn't do much"
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 16:41 GMT
#3286
On September 07 2013 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
2) he "thinks" i've done this before, yet provides no evidence and has since dropped that claim and not pushed it anymore.

You have done this before. You were a 3p.


Show me
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 16:43 GMT
#3288
LOL. When did I say "I'm way behind and there's no way I'm catching up at this point" in desert?

Please quote. I'd love to hear it
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 16:48 GMT
#3290
Btw guys, for those of you who ar
e wondering why I Nirvana strike'd when I did, it was for these reasons

1) I was gonna be a main lynch candidate anyways
2) If I get a scum with the nirvana strike, I would be likely near confirmed town
3) I am far behind, and there r
eally isn't a way for me to watch up (time is of the essence). My best way to get reads at this point is to put myself in a showdown and get reads of people's reasonings, which is the fastest way to catch up on reads.
4) OO's vote was pretty darn scumtastic, enough to the point where I believe he would be autolynched in nearly any game for what he said
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 16:50 GMT
#3293
On September 07 2013 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You did not say nothing like that. You commented on the game before catching up, which basically means you are most likely sure to be misinformed about what's going on, as you do not know the most recent happenings.


Let me double check with greymist since desert is still ongoing whether I can post my own quotes since I'm out
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 16:51 GMT
#3294
On September 07 2013 01:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 01:48 debears wrote:
4) OO's vote was pretty darn scumtastic, enough to the point where I believe he would be autolynched in nearly any game for what he said


So you're nirvana striking for towncred?


If I hit scum, towncred comes no?

to some degree at least. I'd rather be in a 1v1 rather than trying to organize a thread (looking into multiple other people) behind me since I have had so little thread presence. It makes my arguments more front and center
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:00 GMT
#3299
Anyways, until I get confirmation (I'm not getting modkilled again cuz of stupidity lol)

I only said I wasn't caught up within d1 when I hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours on the second half of day one (when there were a lot of new pages since it was the second half of day 1).

I repeatedly said, "I'm catching up and will post reads", and I caught up within 2 hours and posted my reads in organized fashion.

That is a completely different scenario here, where we have more players than desert, I started 56 pages of thread behind in a thread with almost 30 people. The thread grew so fast I couldn't keep up. Meanwhile, i was playing another game at the same time. And I won't be able to catch up

Here's my first post, and look at this game

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/edit.php?action=edit&post_id=1110&topic_id=424349&currentpage=56

You really expect me to catch up 56 pages in a 30 person game with the thread constantly growing while I was in another game? Slam couldn't do it
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:02 GMT
#3300
On September 07 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 01:51 debears wrote:
On September 07 2013 01:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 07 2013 01:48 debears wrote:
4) OO's vote was pretty darn scumtastic, enough to the point where I believe he would be autolynched in nearly any game for what he said


So you're nirvana striking for towncred?


If I hit scum, towncred comes no?

to some degree at least. I'd rather be in a 1v1 rather than trying to organize a thread (looking into multiple other people) behind me since I have had so little thread presence. It makes my arguments more front and center

So you are all-inning when being an almost sure lynch after Slam dropped, while ont reading the thread and not being caught up. Yet you are sure enough OO is scum? What if he had claimed something that proves he is town before that?


Why would I try to lynch someone who has a legitimate town claim? If he had a legitimate, no doubts role claim I probably would cede myself at this point. The thing is, his claim is far from legitimate at this point.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:04 GMT
#3303
On September 07 2013 01:56 austinmcc wrote:
Grrrr, that answer interesting. Figured I'd be set up for a mislynch due to inactivity earlier, and was watching for people who kind of limped in and found me scummy without much reasoning, or never really pushed it and just suddenly added me to some scumlist. If your read was based on my activity/thread presence, how does my sleeper cell stuff ease your mind?


Seems like you and stutters are playing pro town. Even if you were 3p, I'm not worried about you right now since you would most likely be playing pro-town.

And the reveal of the watchman stuff shows that you are both involved in some kind of circle that has much more info than I do. At this point I have to trust that someone in that circle is town and can distinguish between any town and non-town players in the circle
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:06 GMT
#3305
On September 07 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 02:00 debears wrote:
Anyways, until I get confirmation (I'm not getting modkilled again cuz of stupidity lol)

I only said I wasn't caught up within d1 when I hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours on the second half of day one (when there were a lot of new pages since it was the second half of day 1).

I repeatedly said, "I'm catching up and will post reads", and I caught up within 2 hours and posted my reads in organized fashion.

That is a completely different scenario here, where we have more players than desert, I started 56 pages of thread behind in a thread with almost 30 people. The thread grew so fast I couldn't keep up. Meanwhile, i was playing another game at the same time. And I won't be able to catch up

Here's my first post, and look at this game

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/edit.php?action=edit&post_id=1110&topic_id=424349&currentpage=56

You really expect me to catch up 56 pages in a 30 person game with the thread constantly growing while I was in another game? Slam couldn't do it

No i don't as i was in a same situation in this game aswell.
However, what you do not do, is to look at someone's vote on you (no matter how retared that is) and decide that guy is scum and the lynch is between you two.


His vote wasn't retarded. It was scummy as shit. And his claim makes no town sense with his vote either. It's also scummy the way he claimed and how he reserved his power instead of using it on lurkers early.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:06 GMT
#3306
ebwop

apparently reserved his power.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:09 GMT
#3307
On September 07 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
I think that's aimed at rayn, but I can say that the scummy thing about your being behind isn't that you're not caught up, but that you're posting these unsupported reads WHILE being behind. When you pick an opportunistic suspicion in that scenario, it looks like you're being told who to go after in QT and playing towards a scum agenda.


The main question you should be looking at is this

1) Is OO scummy overall?
2) Was my reasoning for my vote on him solid and logical?
3) Does it make sense for me to nirvana strike at this point?
4) Does my nirvana strike on OO make sense at this point?
5) Do I look scummy overall?

Those 5 questions will tell you where to vote

I'd say 2-4 are pretty darn obvious yes's.

5's probably a yes, because apparently people think my scum meta is not posting at all and claiming I won't catch up all game (lol, as if I'm that bad at scum).

And number 1 is apparently a yes also.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:09 GMT
#3308
I've been told not to discuss desert anymore by the host btw.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:24 GMT
#3312
On September 07 2013 02:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's 3 and 4 that I am having issues with. If you were so sure OO would get lynched for that votepost, why even bother nirvana striking? You told me you didn't even consider it regarding austin (before you read the cell stuff)
What's different?


On September 05 2013 21:47 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 21:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
Here's the thing, if you were town why would you send me on such a wild goose chase?

Question for you though: Have you considered using your role ability that only puts you and your target up for lynch on austin? You were basically ready to die last cycle to kill geript, but you haven't mentioned that ability today yet?


I have considered it. I don't think I need it to lynch austin. The reason I wanted to use it on geript was the possibility that he could swap votes around again.

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 21:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
You also haven't cared to comment on the cell stuff, even though austin is in the middle of it.


and yet again. I haven't read that far yet


And I did the nirvana strike because
1) I'm certain that OO is scum
2) I want to get him lynched for towncred in a duel, seeing as the credit would be mine for his lynch
3) I want my arguments to be at the forefront, which they wouldn't necessarily be if everyone had spread out focus. The nirvana strike makes it impossible to spread out focus and puts us at the forefront
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:25 GMT
#3313
ebwop in addition to the aforementioned reasons i did it
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:28 GMT
#3316
On September 07 2013 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +

1) Is OO scummy overall?
2) Was my reasoning for my vote on him solid and logical?
3) Does it make sense for me to nirvana strike at this point?
4) Does my nirvana strike on OO make sense at this point?
5) Do I look scummy overall?

1) No
2) Where do you ever vote for OO?
3) not from town!pov.
4) see (3)
5) yes


1) I'd love to hear how he isn't scummy when other people think so.
2) My nirvana strike was a vote in essense (I'm not gonna vote for myself)
3) How so? It makes sense to me seeing as I'd be a lynch candidate anyways and I believe he's scum
4) My nirvana strike on oo specifically makes sense since I think he's scum. Duh
5) Why? I have yet to see a legitimate reason to my scumminess.

The only thing anyone has been able to say is "you are lurking", which is not in tune to any meta of mine in any game. Hence, it is a null tell, and you are solely lynching me for lurking, which is anti-town.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:29 GMT
#3317
On September 07 2013 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why can't yuou get towncredit for telling people to vote for OO normally?


Shiao already voted him. My power makes it a black and white "I want him lynched" rather than some grey of "oh he just hopped on shiao's wagon".

Big difference
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
September 06 2013 17:31 GMT
#3318
On September 07 2013 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ok right you did say you considered it, bad memory. But notice with austin you said you didn't even need it to lynch austin, did you feel you needed it to lynch OO?
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 01:48 debears wrote:
4) OO's vote was pretty darn scumtastic, enough to the point where I believe he would be autolynched in nearly any game for what he said

This post implies no.


I had been saying "lynch austin". Hadn't been saying it about OO. Shiao already had a vote on OO when OO scumvoted me

On September 07 2013 02:29 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why can't yuou get towncredit for telling people to vote for OO normally?


Shiao already voted him. My power makes it a black and white "I want him lynched" rather than some grey of "oh he just hopped on shiao's wagon".

Big difference


so, by using my power, I get credit for his lynch, rather than a "wagon" claim by other or some other bullshit like that if I got him lynched.

Also, I had to use my power within 12 hours of lynch (or something like that).
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