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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Cephiro why do you have such a strong town read on Hiro? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:02 Cephiro wrote: Yes.Yup. That is indeed the case. Would you like to suggest a better way of action I could have gone with? (1) Not giving items to people you think might be scum - We're in a big themed game. We've already had someone RESURRECT. Your plan, if Zentor was scum, was to have someone openly announce in the thread that they were going to kill him at the end of the cycle. If Zentor was scum and a vet, if scum had another dayvig, if scum had a roleblock during day, if scum had all sorts of stuff, then EVEN IF Zentor was scum, your plan ends up with him having an item when he otherwise wouldn't. (2) Not trusting hirololololol. You have no special reason to believe him town? He was just a big townread despite his play? | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
1: Ceph finds hiro town 2: Ceph thinks zentor is scum 3: Ceph has two items a kp and and item A 4: Ceph cannot use item A 5: Give kp to town read and item A to scum read 6: Have town read retrieve Item A by kill scum read. I don't accept part 1 though. How exactly is hiro town? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
He may fit into your plan. Your plan may be wonderful. But if you have no outside reasons why HiroPro is town, other than "I gave him some KP and he used it on the target I ordered him to, because holy crap scum would never follow instructions rather than out themselves in thread by just blowing up someone really townie," then I do not like it. Whatever your plan may be, it hinges upon town HiroPro. He ain't in this game. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, sorry Risen for losing my temper, but you are not helping atm. Cephiro why do you have such a strong town read on Hiro? I know his play certainly hasn't been the most pro-town, but I still see posts that are aimed for the best of town every once a while. He seemed like someone I could trust to do what I wanted, and he did exactly that. (And I'm expecting him to continue as I instructed.) Sure, he could be scum that is just owning me like a fool, but I think once Zentor flips we'll see more into that. If Zentor flips scum as I assume he will, it is extremely unlikely for Hiro to be scum (although it still is an possibility.) At the moment I am believing him very much to be town, with the small possibility of being some kind of 3P playing pro-town or town-wincon. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
If HiroPro is town, he probably follows along, pew pew Zentor. If HiroPro is mafia, he does...what? He crushes someone else? He says he never got the crusher? The moment he gets involved in something he doesn't fully understand, he HAS to follow instructions, or it may very well be a scumclaim. And if HE refuses to follow instructions and basically scumclaims, he almost certainly dies. And if he dies and flips scum, we 100% flip Zentor. Mafia HiroPro HAS to follow the plan. Him crushing Zentor doesn't indicate anything. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:12 austinmcc wrote: Has he done anything as part of this plan other than crushing Zentor? Put yourself outside the plan (if you're town). If HiroPro is town, he probably follows along, pew pew Zentor. If HiroPro is mafia, he does...what? He crushes someone else? He says he never got the crusher? The moment he gets involved in something he doesn't fully understand, he HAS to follow instructions, or it may very well be a scumclaim. And if HE refuses to follow instructions and basically scumclaims, he almost certainly dies. And if he dies and flips scum, we 100% flip Zentor. Mafia HiroPro HAS to follow the plan. Him crushing Zentor doesn't indicate anything. Did Hiro ever question hammering Zentor? Was he apprehensive about it? Or was it LOLHAMMER | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:07 austinmcc wrote: (1) Not giving items to people you think might be scum - We're in a big themed game. We've already had someone RESURRECT. Your plan, if Zentor was scum, was to have someone openly announce in the thread that they were going to kill him at the end of the cycle. If Zentor was scum and a vet, if scum had another dayvig, if scum had a roleblock during day, if scum had all sorts of stuff, then EVEN IF Zentor was scum, your plan ends up with him having an item when he otherwise wouldn't. As mentioned before, I took a calculated risk. Just like I did with my N2 and N3 shots. One hit town, one hit scum. You can't be afraid of using what you can unless it is extremely likely to backfire. I found this plan most likely to succeed. I could have given item X to someone else than Zentor, yes. But giving this item to Zentor gave me a much further read onto him depending on his reaction. I could have tried to find some other townread to give it to, but it wouldn't have got me the results I wanted. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so, Cephiro, what is the follow up for the plan? Another kill? As mentioned before, I am not revealing the follow-up. A lot of things will happen sooner or later. | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Did Hiro ever question hammering Zentor? Was he apprehensive about it? Or was it LOLHAMMER Pretty sure it was LOLHAMMER. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
If that's the case, I'm positive they are opposite alignments unless Hiro is godly scum. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 09 2013 01:28 Cephiro wrote: Alright. Are you ready and will you do it? On September 09 2013 01:28 HiroPro wrote: Yea, I'm cool with it. On September 09 2013 01:28 Cephiro wrote: Use it on Zentor. On September 09 2013 01:29 HiroPro wrote: ##Crush: MrZentor | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
Took a minute for target name to target dead. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
First of all, he did instantly just as I wanted. Second of all, if they were both scum, they'd have two powerful items they could have used against town, which is not a bad option either. We'll be seeing the flip soon enough and it should tell us quite a bit. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
We really should consolidate, but interest in randombum seems to be going away because of the austin check that MIGHT happen?? I'm really tempted to just lynch into one of the 3p claims because this is just ridiculous. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Town Cephiro isn't stupid, and I'm not the smartest person to ever play this game. This is three year old logic and not pointing it out is scummy as shit. So scum team MrZ, Cephiro, Hiro? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
However, the dude's play is not town. VE, our maybe-neutral 3P with a buddy who is a maybe-neutral 3P, care to give some thoughts? There was a lot of stuff tangential to you today. Also, you know, lynch and whatnot. Random side-question, are you just a suit of armor now? | ||
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