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On September 10 2013 02:45 Stutters695 wrote: Rayn the thread won't get any notification if you are shot and survive right? If i get shot one of my pokemons die. Same (i would assume) with the other guy. | ||
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Risen
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D1 at lynch time Blazinghand (1): HiroPro, raynpelikoneet, geript No vote changes D2 way before lynch time HiroPro leading candidate to be lynched MrZentor (0): Clarity_nl, AxleGreaser HiroPro (6): cakepie, debears, Felkyr, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, ObviousOne cakepie (0): HiroPro ShiaoPi (1): Alakaslam Alakaslam (4): Koshi, Clarity_nl, Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority geript (1): raynpelikoneet kitaman27 (0): strongandbig Oatsmaster (2): MrZentor, Cephiro Felkyr (1): Onegu Hassybaby (3): kitaman27, strongandbig, Coagulation ObviousOne (1): HiroPro Suddenly train choos choos away from him, and where is HiroPro's vote? On me. The towniest motherfucker in the game. The person so towny, that even when I came out as 3P the scum team actually thought I was just fake claiming and still shot me. But that's where Hiro's vote is. Why? Because Hiro chose a lurker that he felt would get him some town cred. But then, conveniently he "realizes" I'm not getting lynched. So where does his vote go? Hassy, effectively becoming the instrument of Hassy's demise because his vote is the one that lynched him over Alakaslam. Hassybaby (7): kitaman27, strongandbig, Coagulation, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, Felkyr, debears, geript, HiroPro Then no lynch in the other thread to save randombum. And now he soft pushes me without voting me as a clearly good option for town, in spite of the fact that anyone who actually thought about where their vote as a towny was going would know that isn't a pro-town move at all. HiroPro is scum. The end. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i get shot one of my pokemons die. Same (i would assume) with the other guy. Alright and are you notified if you kill one of his outside of seeing it faint in thread or would you not know until you battled the next pokemon? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 10 2013 02:52 Stutters695 wrote: Alright and are you notified if you kill one of his outside of seeing it faint in thread or would you not know until you battled the next pokemon? I know the actions that take place every PC and the results. Therefore i know if i am shot or if the other guy attacked and killed my pokemon in action. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know the actions that take place every PC and the results. Therefore i know if i am shot or if the other guy attacked and killed my pokemon in action. Cool, thanks. Just trying to run through scenarios involving the sleeper cell shooting him. Austin are you informed if your shot is successful? | ||
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austinmcc
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+ Show Spoiler + ##unvote: ObviousOne ##vote: debears 420NOSCOPE SUCK IT SCUM. HiroPro? No! HiroPro! Look at this! On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote: vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed. Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him. Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this: Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him. ##Unvote ##Vote ObviousOne On September 04 2013 09:51 HiroPro wrote: please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this. On September 04 2013 10:01 HiroPro wrote: Read those posts. Now read this post:why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that he worships Blazinghand and would do anything in anger if that guy got lynched  consider that carefully, just allow for the possibility of him being town, and read his posts. you'll come to the same conclusion I did.On September 07 2013 07:11 HiroPro wrote: Alakaslam is town because he got super emotional and bent out of shape because he worships BH for some reason and BH got killed. Therefore, instead of calling geript scum and attacking geript mercilessly or hunting scum or doing anything, Alakaslam randomized all the items in the game because...you know, that's what you do./facepalm. First of all, you can't even fire a dayvig shot right before a lynch clarity. They almost always have to go 12 hours before. He uses his shot because he doesn't want it to get wasted. Second, acting emotional is like the easiest trick in the playbook. It's easy to act angry and frustrated for a bit and then storm out. It's not easy to stay in the thread, discuss, and reason through things when you're mafia. But there is no way that OO acted emotionally as town, because acting emotionally is the easiest thing in the book for mafia to fake. Therefore, if he's angry and frustrated and storms out, it's cuz it's easy to do that as mafia. But alakaslam randomizes all items, apparently roleblocks a guy who has an unknown-if-can-be-trusted green check on him, visits a dude who died, and is town. In addition, HiroPro is so certain earlier that slam is town. When slam is in the game, slam is town. Onegu's check shows slam, cheesecake, and snb visiting kita. snb is town. Therefore, if onegu is truthful, either slam or cheesecake (or both) killed kitaman. So HiroPro, thinking that slam is town, wants to kill cheesecake, right? Right! Wait...no. On September 06 2013 03:58 HiroPro wrote: Alakaslam looks town, but cheesecake I dunno about. (Kita totes died, SOMEONE killed him). Does HiroPro mention cheesecake AT ALL during the rest of the day? Nope! Does HiroPro discuss cheesecake's saying that he did, in fact, visit kitaman? Nope! He posts boatloads about the other world, the cool kid world, and gives ZERO attention to the other world, which contains (1) randombum, who he votes at the start of the day but then is fine no-lynching and (2) cheesecake, the dude who is the most likely killer of kita if hiro ACTUALLY thinks alakaslam is town.Rayn: Yes, there are multiple games where mafia have received framers of that nature. Especially when you put a watcher (probably the strongest investigative role outside of listcheck DTs) into the game, you have to give mafia something to help fight against that. The first type (more common) is that you can frame someone to make it show as if they visited another player in the game. These have been in several normal games. It is also possible for a role that can swap watch/track results between two players. For example in the last Aperture mafia (portal edition), I was a mafia player that each night could either choose between being immune to watchers/trackers or I could swap my watch/track results with someone else's watch/track results thereby framing them and giving myself an action alibi. As for alakaslam, yes he does look town to me. I'm not really sure of cheesecake's alignment. Hiro is explicitly pushing a lynch on OO over debears because emotional plays are easy to fake as scum, when he defended alakaslam because he made emotional plays Hiro is gung-ho at the start of the day to lynch randombum, before Onegu drops his watcher results. And yet he's fine no-lynching, letting randombum live, never discussing cheesecake. All he wanted to do was chat about our world, and say NOTHING about his scumread that his vote was on for most of the cycle, and say nothing about a dude who visited a dead dude. (To be fair, a bunch of us didn't discuss jack from that world, but this is particularly troubling with Hiro because he starts the day on randombum, but then just gives up) I ain't lynching the guy Hiro wants lynched. I tossed him out as an alternate shot N2 to see what would happen. No discussion (only he seems to have noticed). WoS keeps halfway mentioned HiroPro, no discussion. Cephiro involves HiroPro in some plan that makes no sense, no discussion. Does ANYONE have happy things to say about Hiro? Half the reason I'm poking Cephiro is to try and figure out wtf is going on with HiroPro. That's why I made a big post but keep having to say I don't want to lynch Cephiro right now, the real target is fooking HiroPro but something is going on involving him. Basically, HiroPro appears to just be tossing stuff into thread and not caring at all/not remembering what he's said. Defending and then attacking a defense both based on emotional plays. Attacking people and then being happy to no-lynch them, not even caring to question Cheesecake's alignment, etc. etc. I'm happy with a Hiro lynch, but would be happier if Risen hadn't just voted there. Cephiro still needs to explain himself, but can you guys understand why I'm asking about this plan? | ||
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austinmcc
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On September 10 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote: I am not informed of successful shots. See my fishing to see if anyone else shot alakaslam on N2, because then it might not have been your shot.Cool, thanks. Just trying to run through scenarios involving the sleeper cell shooting him. Austin are you informed if your shot is successful? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote: In case I'm not around for deadline (very likely) ##Vote: Geript Don';t know who my second should go on though. Not Shiao, not Alakaslam (He actually made one post that was COMPLETELY coherent and it shocked the hell out fo me, so I might actually be able to read him from now on) Hassy has some sort of bullshit suspicion on me because I haven't continued to call Hiro scum (despite me not being sure of his alignment to begin with) but I have no idea whether he is scum or not. I think in the end I might just need to sheep thread on my second vote. Clarity I trust you, what do you think? On September 09 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote: As for scumhunting: ##Vote: raynpelikoneet If he was town he wouldn't be alive right now. He just wouldn't. He only sort of started playing the game a little while in; before that point he was solely focused on his role (and still is, somewhat). I forget who said it, but we have no idea if Rayn is telling the truth in any way. Yeah it would be an odd thing to lie about (fighting against another trainer) but I could see it. The worst thing for me is the fact that he just doesn't seem like he cares anywhere NEAR as much as he does about the game as when he's town. I also want to look into Hiro---I promised I would very early on and never did. Also what is it you guys plan on doing with VE? On September 09 2013 23:18 WaveofShadow wrote: I just had a random hilarious thought: Hiro is scum because he rolled Chezinu, who always rolls scum. Actually looked into Hiro though and there was some stuff in his filter I didn't like, among them a seeming bus on OO that was dropped really quickly after it was brought up. Cephiro, did your plan hinge on Hiro being town in order to work, or is it possible for you to have simply given a nuke to scum to use on another townie? On September 09 2013 23:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think I ever said his posts are hard to understand (though I have said that in the past). I actually find him to be a little clearer than usual this game (or maybe it's simply relative to the existence of Alakaslam, whose posts are in every way impossible). I need some time. Don't think I would lynch Stutters as this is pretty consistent with his town game. He fucks off. That's what he do. If I voted randombum that would be just a sheep vote as I haven't looked at him. I want to say Hiro honestly but I'm waiting to hear what Cephiro has to say regarding his plan. Random qs: Does the greencheck on Felkyr give him a free pass? Are the people who are supposed to die actually going to die? (ie was the shot on debears a fake? Is Zentor dead?) On September 10 2013 00:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Why does that clear Hiro exactly? We don't exactly know of the conditions of Cephiro's grand plan do we? On September 10 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll reveal more info when I have reason to. I can't see you wasting two lynches/shots in a row on both of us---you give scum a huge advantage that way. Pressure Axle for a while. Then we talk. Hiro too. I don't see any reason why he should be town simply because he was forced to 'maybe-kill' Zentor. | ||
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On September 10 2013 03:06 austinmcc wrote: Also, WoS, you yourself keep poking at Hiro, just throwing his name out as someone you want to look at/someone who might be scum. Would you care to share anything with the class? + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote: In case I'm not around for deadline (very likely) ##Vote: Geript Don';t know who my second should go on though. Not Shiao, not Alakaslam (He actually made one post that was COMPLETELY coherent and it shocked the hell out fo me, so I might actually be able to read him from now on) Hassy has some sort of bullshit suspicion on me because I haven't continued to call Hiro scum (despite me not being sure of his alignment to begin with) but I have no idea whether he is scum or not. I think in the end I might just need to sheep thread on my second vote. Clarity I trust you, what do you think? On September 09 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote: As for scumhunting: ##Vote: raynpelikoneet If he was town he wouldn't be alive right now. He just wouldn't. He only sort of started playing the game a little while in; before that point he was solely focused on his role (and still is, somewhat). I forget who said it, but we have no idea if Rayn is telling the truth in any way. Yeah it would be an odd thing to lie about (fighting against another trainer) but I could see it. The worst thing for me is the fact that he just doesn't seem like he cares anywhere NEAR as much as he does about the game as when he's town. I also want to look into Hiro---I promised I would very early on and never did. Also what is it you guys plan on doing with VE? On September 09 2013 23:18 WaveofShadow wrote: I just had a random hilarious thought: Hiro is scum because he rolled Chezinu, who always rolls scum. Actually looked into Hiro though and there was some stuff in his filter I didn't like, among them a seeming bus on OO that was dropped really quickly after it was brought up. Cephiro, did your plan hinge on Hiro being town in order to work, or is it possible for you to have simply given a nuke to scum to use on another townie? On September 09 2013 23:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think I ever said his posts are hard to understand (though I have said that in the past). I actually find him to be a little clearer than usual this game (or maybe it's simply relative to the existence of Alakaslam, whose posts are in every way impossible). I need some time. Don't think I would lynch Stutters as this is pretty consistent with his town game. He fucks off. That's what he do. If I voted randombum that would be just a sheep vote as I haven't looked at him. I want to say Hiro honestly but I'm waiting to hear what Cephiro has to say regarding his plan. Random qs: Does the greencheck on Felkyr give him a free pass? Are the people who are supposed to die actually going to die? (ie was the shot on debears a fake? Is Zentor dead?) On September 10 2013 00:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Why does that clear Hiro exactly? We don't exactly know of the conditions of Cephiro's grand plan do we? On September 10 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll reveal more info when I have reason to. I can't see you wasting two lynches/shots in a row on both of us---you give scum a huge advantage that way. Pressure Axle for a while. Then we talk. Hiro too. I don't see any reason why he should be town simply because he was forced to 'maybe-kill' Zentor. Nothing specific that I know about him. I think he looks like shit and may have apparently claimed as being a part of BM chat (maybe Yi?). I firmly believe whoever Yi is must be anti-town simply due to the sheer amount of apparent survivors in this game. | ||
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On September 10 2013 03:02 austinmcc wrote: You know what, screw this. I still have my frigging Hiro post from D3 in another window, when I was considering switching from OO to debears because Hiro was pushing OO so hard and looked like butt. + Show Spoiler + ##unvote: ObviousOne ##vote: debears 420NOSCOPE SUCK IT SCUM. HiroPro? No! HiroPro! Look at this! On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote: vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed. Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him. Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this: Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him. ##Unvote ##Vote ObviousOne On September 04 2013 09:51 HiroPro wrote: please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this. On September 04 2013 10:01 HiroPro wrote: Read those posts. Now read this post:why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that he worships Blazinghand and would do anything in anger if that guy got lynched consider that carefully, just allow for the possibility of him being town, and read his posts. you'll come to the same conclusion I did.On September 07 2013 07:11 HiroPro wrote: Alakaslam is town because he got super emotional and bent out of shape because he worships BH for some reason and BH got killed. Therefore, instead of calling geript scum and attacking geript mercilessly or hunting scum or doing anything, Alakaslam randomized all the items in the game because...you know, that's what you do./facepalm. First of all, you can't even fire a dayvig shot right before a lynch clarity. They almost always have to go 12 hours before. He uses his shot because he doesn't want it to get wasted. Second, acting emotional is like the easiest trick in the playbook. It's easy to act angry and frustrated for a bit and then storm out. It's not easy to stay in the thread, discuss, and reason through things when you're mafia. But there is no way that OO acted emotionally as town, because acting emotionally is the easiest thing in the book for mafia to fake. Therefore, if he's angry and frustrated and storms out, it's cuz it's easy to do that as mafia. But alakaslam randomizes all items, apparently roleblocks a guy who has an unknown-if-can-be-trusted green check on him, visits a dude who died, and is town. In addition, HiroPro is so certain earlier that slam is town. When slam is in the game, slam is town. Onegu's check shows slam, cheesecake, and snb visiting kita. snb is town. Therefore, if onegu is truthful, either slam or cheesecake (or both) killed kitaman. So HiroPro, thinking that slam is town, wants to kill cheesecake, right? Right! Wait...no. On September 06 2013 03:58 HiroPro wrote: Alakaslam looks town, but cheesecake I dunno about. (Kita totes died, SOMEONE killed him). Does HiroPro mention cheesecake AT ALL during the rest of the day? Nope! Does HiroPro discuss cheesecake's saying that he did, in fact, visit kitaman? Nope! He posts boatloads about the other world, the cool kid world, and gives ZERO attention to the other world, which contains (1) randombum, who he votes at the start of the day but then is fine no-lynching and (2) cheesecake, the dude who is the most likely killer of kita if hiro ACTUALLY thinks alakaslam is town.Rayn: Yes, there are multiple games where mafia have received framers of that nature. Especially when you put a watcher (probably the strongest investigative role outside of listcheck DTs) into the game, you have to give mafia something to help fight against that. The first type (more common) is that you can frame someone to make it show as if they visited another player in the game. These have been in several normal games. It is also possible for a role that can swap watch/track results between two players. For example in the last Aperture mafia (portal edition), I was a mafia player that each night could either choose between being immune to watchers/trackers or I could swap my watch/track results with someone else's watch/track results thereby framing them and giving myself an action alibi. As for alakaslam, yes he does look town to me. I'm not really sure of cheesecake's alignment. Hiro is explicitly pushing a lynch on OO over debears because emotional plays are easy to fake as scum, when he defended alakaslam because he made emotional plays Hiro is gung-ho at the start of the day to lynch randombum, before Onegu drops his watcher results. And yet he's fine no-lynching, letting randombum live, never discussing cheesecake. All he wanted to do was chat about our world, and say NOTHING about his scumread that his vote was on for most of the cycle, and say nothing about a dude who visited a dead dude. (To be fair, a bunch of us didn't discuss jack from that world, but this is particularly troubling with Hiro because he starts the day on randombum, but then just gives up) I ain't lynching the guy Hiro wants lynched. I tossed him out as an alternate shot N2 to see what would happen. No discussion (only he seems to have noticed). WoS keeps halfway mentioned HiroPro, no discussion. Cephiro involves HiroPro in some plan that makes no sense, no discussion. Does ANYONE have happy things to say about Hiro? Half the reason I'm poking Cephiro is to try and figure out wtf is going on with HiroPro. That's why I made a big post but keep having to say I don't want to lynch Cephiro right now, the real target is fooking HiroPro but something is going on involving him. Basically, HiroPro appears to just be tossing stuff into thread and not caring at all/not remembering what he's said. Defending and then attacking a defense both based on emotional plays. Attacking people and then being happy to no-lynch them, not even caring to question Cheesecake's alignment, etc. etc. I'm happy with a Hiro lynch, but would be happier if Risen hadn't just voted there. Cephiro still needs to explain himself, but can you guys understand why I'm asking about this plan? /puts on hypnotist mask You're getting sleepysleepysleepy....... There it's all better! | ||
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