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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 15:55 GMT
#4021
If we assume simple scenarios are true then the scum are probably Zentor/randombum, but as this is a Greymist game I refuse to assume it is that simple.
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 15:56 GMT
#4022
I thought I was confirmed town by now -.-

Slam and I visited Kita during the same night. Slam was a roleblocker.

Slam either roleblocked Kita or Shot him --- kita had a non-roleblockable role that was known to the thread, so scum wouldn't roleblock Kita. Reasonably, Slam shot kita.

I tried to save kita but fate decided to be retarded.

Does anyone have any abilities that screw with fate? It stayed the same from last night into this morning.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 15:57 GMT
#4023
Why the fuck we can't lynch randombum? I really do not want to lynch WoS today.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 15:59 GMT
#4024
On September 10 2013 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck we can't lynch randombum? I really do not want to lynch WoS today.

The theory behind not lynching randombum is because Austin's role takes care of it. he either dies supposedly if scum, and if town we get a check 'confirming' him town.

Again this all depends on whether people choose to believe Austin---Clarity you are voting for randombum so do you have reason to mistrust him?

(For the record I don't know what my own stance on that issue is yet either)
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 16:00 GMT
#4025
I also believe Risen's claim. CC's actions if true (they seem like they are true) and Risen's claim make him most likely to be town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 16:00 GMT
#4026
On September 10 2013 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck we can't lynch randombum? I really do not want to lynch WoS today.

The theory behind not lynching randombum is because Austin's role takes care of it. he either dies supposedly if scum, and if town we get a check 'confirming' him town.

Again this all depends on whether people choose to believe Austin---Clarity you are voting for randombum so do you have reason to mistrust him?

(For the record I don't know what my own stance on that issue is yet either)

So why can't they shoot someone else next nigh?
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 16:01 GMT
#4027
On September 10 2013 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck we can't lynch randombum? I really do not want to lynch WoS today.

The theory behind not lynching randombum is because Austin's role takes care of it. he either dies supposedly if scum, and if town we get a check 'confirming' him town.

Again this all depends on whether people choose to believe Austin---Clarity you are voting for randombum so do you have reason to mistrust him?

(For the record I don't know what my own stance on that issue is yet either)


It's more of a placeholder till I figure things out, but not lynching stutters today anyway. Might still lynch randombum. Just because we might have a cop check on him if austin doesn't die is a dumb reason to lynch someone else... I think
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
September 09 2013 16:01 GMT
#4028
I sat silent for most of today just to watch. Here are a couple observations.


Cephiro is up to some boolsheet
Everyone is so concerned about claims, pokemans, 3Ps, that they're not looking back over Cephiro.

Here is Cephiro's filter on Zentor - + Show Spoiler +
On September 02 2013 10:06 Cephiro wrote:
Well, aside from two townies dying, some other things went pretty nicely tonight. Btw, don't lynch Zentor today. I have my reasons to believe he is town.
Zentor is town for reasons.

On September 04 2013 10:07 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 10:02 MrZentor wrote:
Don't shoot me. Cephiro knows I'm townie.


You really need to sheep less and do more though >_>

You should be capable of that when D3 starts if you survive till that, right?

Zentor and Cephiro are buddies.

On September 05 2013 10:12 Cephiro wrote:
Zentor, can you please tell me about your power usage last night? It's really important. If I can trust you, I have a very important mission for you to perform on D4 and N4 but it's absolutely vital you do exactly as I say..


On September 08 2013 05:54 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 05:47 austinmcc wrote:
CEPHIRO,
How do you feel about Zentor? His D1/D2 filter is a whole lot of geript being scum, people connected to geript/felkyr voting being scum or not, and then not much else. Scummy on oats, towny on slam, more or less absent over D3.

You have something going on right now, but do you have particular reason to believe MrZ is kosher? Reading his filter, the thing that really pops is a half-discussion you guys had and then some comments from him about how you know he's town. I...I dunno, assuming that based on all this talk your alignment may be clear tomorrow, and you hopped to slam late, so, without revealing anything secret, you actually comfortable with MrZ?


I am comfortable with him, yes. The daypost will clear out a lot of things.

Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 05:47 Risen wrote:
So I'm supposed to believe that a town Cephiro is organizing things in public during the night and not expecting to get straight merc'd during the night? For real? Same goes with austin. Jokes.


It is very possible I'm dead by the daypost. That however won't prevent me from telling what I did for what reasons and what is left to finish. The thing is, I'm giving it all I got tonight and involves others much more than myself, so there's not really anything I expect scum to be able to do about it.

Cephiro is comfortable with Zentor and the daypost will clear things up.

Zentor on Cephiro - + Show Spoiler +
On September 02 2013 10:11 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 10:06 Cephiro wrote:
Well, aside from two townies dying, some other things went pretty nicely tonight. Btw, don't lynch Zentor today. I have my reasons to believe he is town.

It didn't have anything to do with Isaac, did it?

On September 02 2013 11:33 MrZentor wrote:
I don't really think I need your help, Cephiro has already helped me a lot...
On September 04 2013 10:02 MrZentor wrote:
Don't shoot me. Cephiro knows I'm townie.



Daypost comes. No explanation. Cephiro claims to be a vig AND have set some giant plan in motion. And as best I can tell, HiroPro had this, whether via Cephiro or no:
On September 05 2013 09:17 GreYMisT wrote:
An Aperture Science Crusher was invented


So, here's where I'm at. Cephiro has been townie on Zentor all game for unknown reasons. They been buddy buddy. At the start of D4:
On September 08 2013 09:29 Cephiro wrote:
Zentor, you know what to do with that item. HiroPro, use yours well.


He gives ZENTOR and HIROPRO items. This is important.
  • If Cephiro is TOWNIE on Zentor, it makes sense to give him an item.
  • If Cephiro is SCUMMY on Zentor, it makes sense to CRUSH zentor. It makes less sense, but still reasonable, to give HiroPro an item to crush zentor, and see if HiroPro will do that (not really I don't think, because why hand over KP to someone to see if they'll use it in a townie way?).
  • It makes NO SENSE AT ALL to (1) Hand an item to Zentor AND (2) Have Zentor killed. No sense. Something isn't right there


For realsies. Here are some statements from Cephiro on why he's on Zentor today+ Show Spoiler +
On September 09 2013 01:33 Cephiro wrote:
Here goes.

What will happen: Zentor flips at nightpost (at the same time as lynch.)

Why I called it on Zentor: I know he was some sort of rolecop since he called my role very early on. His reactions to me defending him were what ticked me off in his play, but I didn't want to reveal that yet. Considering that he just happily continued doing nothing and providing no results and rode onwards as I protected him, it made me more confident that he may very well be scum. Now it has gone on for long enough. I am suspecting that he may be the 3P in the QT (Stutters mentioned something about someone calling out his role correctly.)

If he's town, then my bad for picking a bad target. However, I think most of you aren't very disappointed with my choice. We'll see what he flips. Until then, Zentor, you could go ahead and provide us with anything you can if you are actually town.

Hiro, since you are the one killing Zentor you will gain his item. I want you to use it the following night.
On September 09 2013 03:31 Cephiro wrote:
Rayn could be of any alignment. I have seen no actions from him so far that would confirm him to one way or another.

@Zentor: To ensure the kill. You've done close to nothing for town this game. If I had started asking you before, you could have come up with all kinds of schenanigans to try and explain yourself, in the worst case effectively wasting most of the time we've got available to decide on a lynch. This way we'll see what you flip and can concentrate on someone else that seems scummy for the lynch.

Your reactions to my actions are saying quite a bit though. You're not telling us anything. If I was going to die in 24 hours with no way of communicating after, I'd share every single piece of information I'd have. You've done nothing of the kind, and you're just questioning my action.

Questioning my actions won't change what happened, and it's pointless to go on about it. If you're town, tell us what you've got, and if you're scum you can just leave instead of wasting our time.
On September 09 2013 03:40 Cephiro wrote:
In before I shot Coag for towncred. Obviously I'd admit I killed Oats if I was scum?

If Zentor isn't going to put any effort in reading others or explaining what he has been doing the whole game (actions/role?), I'll just confirm that as a scum-kill and ignore him. I'm disappointed randombum hasn't come and defended himself at all yet.



Cephiro claims he had to wait and see on Zentor, didn't like Zentor's responses. But Cephiro also claims to have given HiroPro the Crusher, as best I can tell. That means Cephiro had the crusher. But instead of actually killing a scumread, if Zentor was really scummy to him, Cephiro gives the item to someone else and has THEM use it.


So, there it is. Cephiro is up to some boolsheet.
  • He claims to have given items to Zentor and HiroPro. He also claims to want Zentor dead. Why give him an item if you're going to kill him?
  • He claims to be scummy on Zentor and to have given the crusher to HiroPro. Why bother when he could have crushed Zentor himself?


I really would like some answers as to what exactly is going on here, because something is going on in that little triangle, and all three of them were in the Closed Casket world yesterday. I believe he made the shots he claims, but I don't see a claimed N1 shot, I don't see some magical plan here, and
On September 08 2013 05:47 Risen wrote:
So I'm supposed to believe that a town Cephiro is organizing things in public during the night and not expecting to get straight merc'd during the night? For real? Same goes with austin. Jokes.
This stuck in my head. I was organizing in the thread because i HAD to, in order to get anything I could trust. Cephiro is asking questions, has some giant plan, hai gaiz I'm hard at work winning the game, but didn't get killed, didn't claim a roleblock, apparently just got entirely left alone despite threatening some massive plan involving half the game. Risen claimed 3P, apparently got shot. Cephiro claimed giant town-favored plan, nothing.


Has anyone else noticed this? Can someone explain what is going on?
Fe fi fo fum.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 16:02 GMT
#4029
Why don't we lynch the scummiest person and shoot/confirm someone else (like me) the next night? The suggestion of lynching me/WoS is retarded from Austin. Like, why do the have to shoot exactly randombum?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 16:02 GMT
#4030
I still have a big problem here.
If all of these claims are true, then we have what, a 5 man scumteam with a shit fuck ton of survivors that can win with either alignment (basically)?

This seems pretty unbelievable in relation to what past Aperture games have looked like.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 16:04 GMT
#4031
We are not lynching a dude who has un-cc'dly claimed shooting Coag. I am not even thinking about it Austin.
Tell me why do you have to shoot exactly randombum? What's the logic?
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 16:05 GMT
#4032
Ceph is my buddy (but Im not his buddy). I haven't been able to act since n1 though. Oh and he's not going to die hahaha.

We should probably kill Risen today and just wait for info from checks/austin's thing. Or we could threaten to kill VE unless he takes this circle off me!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 16:05 GMT
#4033
On September 10 2013 01:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still have a big problem here.
If all of these claims are true, then we have what, a 5 man scumteam with a shit fuck ton of survivors that can win with either alignment (basically)?

This seems pretty unbelievable in relation to what past Aperture games have looked like.

It's possible that Mr.Zentor is scum and randombum is scum. Then there are a couple of questionmarks.
But we are lynching randombum tonight.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 16:06 GMT
#4034
On September 10 2013 01:05 HiroPro wrote:
Ceph is my buddy (but Im not his buddy). I haven't been able to act since n1 though. Oh and he's not going to die hahaha.

We should probably kill Risen today and just wait for info from checks/austin's thing. Or we could threaten to kill VE unless he takes this circle off me!

That's dumb. Why would we kill Risen? Do you think his claim is fake? He will leave the game soon or be confirmed scum or some other anti-town.
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 16:06 GMT
#4035
Austin...

I think you're town because you voted 'Slam D2 and hammered scum D3, but that post actually gave me cancer.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 16:06 GMT
#4036
Austin please dont be bad.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 16:06 GMT
#4037
Also Hiro, what did you do on N1?
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 16:08 GMT
#4038
On September 10 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 01:05 HiroPro wrote:
Ceph is my buddy (but Im not his buddy). I haven't been able to act since n1 though. Oh and he's not going to die hahaha.

We should probably kill Risen today and just wait for info from checks/austin's thing. Or we could threaten to kill VE unless he takes this circle off me!

That's dumb. Why would we kill Risen? Do you think his claim is fake? He will leave the game soon or be confirmed scum or some other anti-town.

No we don't know anything about his role other than what he's claimed and we have no way of verifying it. His role could be pretty much anything. A situation like this where we don't have a clear lynch and are waiting for stuff is the best time to kill him.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 16:09 GMT
#4039
On September 10 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Hiro, what did you do on N1?

Um, Ceph's my buddy. A Brown Brother!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 16:11 GMT
#4040
Wait, did you mason him on N1?
Is the masoning still on?
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