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kitaman27
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On August 30 2013 23:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:05 kitaman27 wrote:
Stating that he has not read his role PM is playing against your win condition as either faction. I'm willing to give Dandel the benefit of the doubt that he is not trying to ruin the game, so that means he is likely lying. And you think he has since his very first post not read his role PM? I'm honestly really surprised that so many people still think Dandel is trolling.
You're welcome to perform an analysis explaining why he is not trolling.
On August 30 2013 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Once again, lurkers getting away with lurking, while one of the most active posters in the thread who is doing work has people voting for him.
Who are you referring to here?
On an unrelated note, BH has a history of trying to pick fights on day one as mafia to try to spam up the thread. I'm currently suspicious of his intentions.
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On August 30 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not see any point in bringing up a speculation of multiple scumteams, especially from kita, as the game OP clearly states there are multiple scumteams.
If the OP makes it so clear, what is the harm in pointing it out? Mafia faction(s) are likely aware of the possibility so I'm just pointing it out so town is as well.
It impacts the way you should be playing the game. Haunted and Insane 2 resulted in town loses for not adequately adapting to a multi-faction game. There are certain tricks you can use in a multi-faction game, such as chainsaw defending a scumbuddy against a mafia player of the opposing faction. Town circles should be tighter than usual and we can try to play off the faction rivalry to possibly gain additional information when a mafia player is about to be lynched.
On the topic of the setup, something that I think was strongly underutilized in the first game was the item mechanic. Since items are passed on death, we can use them as an investigative tool to determine who is possibly carrying out a kill. This relies on some type of ability to identify who is holding an item, but there are probably other ways of taking advantage of this as well.
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On August 31 2013 00:02 strongandbig wrote:
Kita plz. If you're town, DI is a terrible target for a troll policy lynch. Better targets are alakaslam, cep hiro at this point, vayne. But policy lynching dandel is useless since he gives up as scum anyway.
Frankly I'm pretty amazed at the number of people spazzing out at me for a policy lynch 12 hours into the game against a reasonable target. Based on the number of people willing to come to Dandel's defense calling his contributions valid as if he wasn't a complete anti-town troll, it usually points to scum players trying to defend a town player for town cred. Wave calling Dandel one of the most active players in the thread is mind boggling. Even Dandel would probably admit to the fact that he has been completely useless. I'm still not satisfied with Dandel's play so far though, so my vote will remain for now.
I would actually be quite content with most of the names you have listed. Ceph is quite capable so I might be more willing to keep him around past day one, even though he is a better scum player than town player.
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On August 31 2013 00:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm just surprised no one has expressed interest aside from me.
The previous aperature was not an all blue game so I'd be careful talking too much about it if it exposes our power roles. If someone finds it useful enough to claim than they can. One downside of giving it to an anti-town player as a roleblock is that they now control the item to either buff one of their own roles, keep it out of town hands, or roleblock another player. I'm assuming this does not work on factional kp. Is that correct koshi?
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On August 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kitaman, are you seriously assuming Black Mesa is not another scum team?
No, I am assuming Black Mesa IS another scum team.
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kitaman27
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On August 31 2013 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 00:47 kitaman27 wrote:On August 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kitaman, are you seriously assuming Black Mesa is not another scum team? No, I am assuming Black Mesa IS another scum team. Okay, then why did you speculate them being another scum team in your post and did not state that as a fact? To me just by reading the OP it is clear that they are another scumteam.
A fact is something that I know to be true. Speculation is something I believe to be true.
The OP does not state that Black Mesa consists of more than 1-2 members. I believe it does however based on the unwillingness to rebalance and the previous game.
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kitaman27
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Could the mafia team(s) kindly inform us if their role PMs mentions their factional kp in numerical form? Thanks!
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On August 31 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think it is 100% clear based purely to OP that there is another anti-town faction that is Black Mesa. The way you brought the matter up is fishy and implies you are afraid of saying what you really think for some reason. I think that reason is because you are a member of mafia or Black Mesa and don't want to get killed by the other one, or lynched by town, because of "too much info".
Huh? We're coming to the same conclusion yet for some reason it makes me mafia? My argument about the balance was that I think Mesa is larger than smaller due to the rebalance concerns. I referenced the OP as support so it's not like I'm trying to hide knowledge or anything. Anyways, I'm going to drop it since it really was just setup speculation rather than anything super important. Push it if you wish.
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Could you explain why? (I'll pick the I'm bad option)
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On August 31 2013 03:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Null. I had to explain the obviously scummy post for him which was bad, so minus points for him.
I was mostly interested in seeing if you would address the newbie consideration in your explanation. I agree with the direction, but not necessarily the end result.
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Did you come to a conclusion on cora based on your interaction with him BH?
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On August 31 2013 03:32 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
geript
Needs to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing.
geript is your typical low-hanging fruit / lynchbait townie, as he often is. let me rephrase what you've said here geript: "keeps begging for a gun, has stuck his neck out and stated who he wants to kill, even if he hasn't fully reasoned it though. We're less than 24 hours in the game, and geript is being his usual non-seriosu stuff. He is being very active and trying to at least make some contact with every player!" well shit now he sounds like not a good lynch huh In this paragraph you are simply twisting my words to make me look worse. I said my honest opinion, if you do not agree, feel free to argue otherwise. I feel this is a very relevant sentence: Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
There are many times when the scum player can be found not for his connections, but for the lack of them.
If one is town, why would the feel the need of chit-chatting with everyone? Concentrate on what you feel is off, give it strong pressure (not tunneling), and gain more information. Do you not agree it is more useful to pressure someone you consider anti-town rather than talk a little about everything and commit to nothing? + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:You know who's a good lynch? Cephiro check out dis shit Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 13:28 Cephiro wrote:On August 30 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
Yes I could. No I won't. You wouldn't understand the differences unless you had a good understanding of him. If you're going into the territory of "meta", by trying to say that "that's not how he usually trolls / that's not his town-trolling", you shouldn't even play Mafia. Or is this the point where I accuse you of trying undermine me and my intelligence by false claims and giving you an out, not having to explain yourself? Cephiro claims that he can't deal with a meta of trolls, but doesn't want to admit that to do otherwise is to policy lynch trolling. I'm not saying I'm not down for that, but if you gotta call a horse a horse and say "I dont' like geript's style, so even though I don't think he's scum, I want to lynch him anyways" if that's what your'e doing. You misunderstood. People that have played with me in the past know that I absolutely hate players who are trying to go by "meta" instead of playing the game. It's not like anyone can't change their style on purpose or do something unexpected, or even pretend to do the same as before to mislead others. I have at no point said "I don't think geript is scum". I have clearly come out with my intent of wanting him dead. + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:His interaction with VA, although it seems at first to be the classic "overzealous townie" style, is in fact far more insidious. Take a look: Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote:
You keep claiming you are not scum, but you never even mention the thought you could be town. You are clearly a 3rd party afraid of me. Care to elaborate on your reasons to play very pro-town? Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:48 Cephiro wrote:
See, you're not even trying to deny it. You're clearly NOT TOWN. Unless you provide a very good reason how you are of benefit for the town, you should be killed. Why should we keep anyone not town around otherwise?
OK so what is going on here? Well, VA is, well, kinda joking around and posted and acrostic saying "I AM NOT SCUM". Was it worth his time? No. Was it useful to town? No. Is it a scumtell? I don't really see why. The fact that he wrote "i am not scum" rather than "i am town" isn't like a scumslip or anything, that's just how he chose to phrase it. Cephiro is going all lou ferrigno on this guy for phrasing his claim to be town differently. This isn't overzealous townie, this is someone trying to play overzealous townie. overzealous townies cling to hard to certain pieces of evidence, go over the top, and push/tunnel hard, but almost always these pieces of evidence are pieces of evidence that make sense. Cephiro doesn't make sense. The fact that he is loud, or that he tried pushing a relatively defenseless player (geript) should not be mitigating factors. Let's lynch him. ##vote Cephiro I feel like this last point is very lacking. I stated why it seemed anti-town in my opinion. For some it can be a scumtell, for some not. You can never be sure, but the way he acted about it was one of the reasons I felt he is anti-town. Overall BH, I'm a bit disappointed in your case. Could you just not find more things you could try to paint as anti-town or why does it feel that your case is merely throwing a rock in my direction? You didn't even vote for me in the vote thread. It's good to have your eyes open, but if you're looking for anything else than town, you're looking at the wrong direction.
You appear to infer that BH has malicious intentions by "twisting your words" and trying to "paint you as anti-town", but you never really come out with an accusation that he is scum. What is your opinion of him?
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kitaman27
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On August 31 2013 03:53 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 00:47 kitaman27 wrote:On August 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kitaman, are you seriously assuming Black Mesa is not another scum team? No, I am assuming Black Mesa IS another scum team. Sorry I am just catching up and I am a member of black mesa and am town, I was the only person dumb enough to use my own name in the qt though.
Excellent news! As clarity mentioned, win condition?
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On August 31 2013 04:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 04:13 Cephiro wrote:On August 31 2013 04:09 Onegu wrote:
I win with town, but it tells me to be careful in qt as apature science may have infiltrated it. 1) Does your whole faction win with town, or is it you only? I'm curious if Black Mesa is a group of people with different objectives. Do you know everyone else in the faction, or did you just slip your identity by mistake. (Meaning others would know yours, but you don't know theirs?) Yeah so far everyone else has a name that isnt in the main thread but me.
So you're saying Black Mesa does not have an objective? It is simply a combination of town/mafia/third party players?
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If we assume that mafia has representatives in the quicktopic, I see no reason why it should remain private.
Does everyone agree revealing the posts in the qt and the timestamps? If you are a town member of Black Mesa I believe you should claim now, unless someone has a valid reason for them not to claim. After that, if you are found as a member of Black Mesa without claiming, you should be assumed anti-town.
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On August 31 2013 04:37 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 21:56 kitaman27 wrote:On August 30 2013 21:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
ps: kita just wants me dead because I'm such an incredibly good player and I'm able to read him real good.
Which means he's scared of me reading him with my reading abilities
Which means he's mafia.
OMGUS engaged. States that I wanted him dead as town in GoT in previous post. Infers that my scum meta is to want him dead because of I fear his abilities. Justifying vote based on false conclusion. Also, I just saw this post in your filter. I don't like it. Being amorphous between policy lynch and calling do scum. Did you want to kill him for policy reasons or did you think he was scum? It feels like it didnt really Maggie to you.
If my policy lynch does something that I deem scummy why does that make it invalid? 1 + 1 = 2, unless acting scummy invalidates policy lynches or policy lynches make it impossible to be scum. You policy lynch to punish anti-town behavior. I'm thinking about moving to WoS at the moment. As for the post on BH, I was simply stating an observation. I don't consider him a lynch target since that post.
Considering vayne decided to claim "if I die, bad things happen to scum", third party makes sense. I'd even be more willing to help his cause if he came clean.
Now that we know that Black Mesa possibly isn't a mafia faction, we may be able to take a look at the earlier discussion to look for additional knowledge. I'll do so when I get home if I remember.
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No time for research/developing a case at the moment.
I'll also probably look at OO as well.
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On August 31 2013 05:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:01 kitaman27 wrote:
No time for research/developing a case at the moment.
I'll also probably look at OO as well. Is that a Black Mesa crumb or some shit? Never played HL but I feel like that's somehow relevant.
This is Aperture Science! I'm certainly not going to skip testing!
No, no crumb there 
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That guy who calls himself "DefinitelyNotWaveofShadow" is pretty suspicious.
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On August 31 2013 05:48 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:41 Koshi wrote:
What is the point of this Black Mesa group? Stutters and Onegu? You are quite inactive till I say something, and suddenly you're back =) I've lost the post already, but someone said he had an idea with the false BM names. What is your idea? It might explain why some people don't want to post the names. I don't see a problem with learning how many BM there is and what they're called.
If you're town, I think it's pretty likely you're going to be mislynched. The topics you are choosing to comment on are very easy to justify voting you for. I'd strong recommend sharing opinions on several individuals you haven't commented on yet.
If you are mafia, carry on.
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