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On September 09 2013 08:11 randombum wrote:
Last night I had no way to kill you, 2 days ago I had no ways to lynch you. Night before that I couldn't kill you. Before that I wanted geript dead.
Why would I warn mafia that I really want to lynch one of their members so they can kill me?
AHAHAH. rofl, best reasoning ever! :D
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cakepie, yes, my role PM confirms there is another Pokemon master. That was the whole point of my claim in the first place.
Risen, when one ofmy pokemons die, scum get a power attached to them. I told this earlier. What i did not know, is that when my opponent's pokemon dies, i get the power attached to them. I got 1-shot mason for killing Eggxecutor or wtf that was. I am proving this by masoning someone at the night start as i claimed earlier.
Any other questions?
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No Clarity, we lynch the other dude or randombum, because there is no way scum would be claiming now unless:
1) They have no other chance of winning and randombum is scum.
2) Some other big play
There just is no reason why Stutters would out this shit now, or why "suddenly the other guy is claiming", like do they think randombum is town? wtf?
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Tomorrow i am gonna make a recap of my claim and everything regarding it. You can then decide if it makes sense or not.
I am also gonna mason someone town to prove my claim.
If you after that think i am scum, you can lynch me.
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So where did all the scum go?
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On September 09 2013 09:56 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 09:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Onegu either received 2 kp or scum have an ability that ignores protection, because I was on him last night due to his watcher claim. Since Fate was greater than zero my heal worked but he still died.. Or you got roleblocked using power that scum gained from killing pickachu. Rayn you got anything about pikachu having roleblock notification or not? I'm assuming such powers are not immediate-compulsive since you sounded like you have control over when you use it. So scum could have saved it up for later since they had slam around to do the RB job N2.
wtf are you doing? I especially told pikachu getting killed gave scum 1-shot mason.
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On September 09 2013 10:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So reading up I see Stutters knows the other Pokemon role.
WHO? Keeping this information from the thread is super anti-town.
I know. And suddenly all the scummy guys jump on lynching me. :D
Funny isn't it?
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It is 100%. If they were not they would know how pro-town my suggestion on N1 was and they would have gone with it. There is no reason not to.
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No i am town. I would have not claimed if i was not tow. That would be stupid.
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##Unvote:
##Vote: Stutters
I'm off to bed. Cya tomorrow.
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##Unvote:
##Vote: randombum
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On September 09 2013 21:41 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 19:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
I don't recall you mentioning randombum at any point even though he's been up for lynch twice now. What do you think of his lynch? I see you've been after his neck since like D2. I don't really think his shift from slam & hassy over to risen is as scummy as you seem to think. Closed casket is...weird (more below)..., so we go straight to the huge post at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19703910in which key points are - "picked [rayn's] filter first because he was the first one to vote me" -- TRUE
- "[rayn's] final votes have been geript, geript, debears. Not a good start." -- vs his own geript, geript, no-lynch isn't much better
- "His only post of substance regarding me way early in the game and it ends on could be scum. Note the bolded, he is convinced vayne is town when he has since flipped 3p." -- VALID
- rayn votes randombum without sufficient justification -- VALID
- pokemon is only contribution -- NULL. being consumed/obsessed by pokemon battles could explain a lot, actually
- rayn voted debears... -- well so did you, clarity, and it was a toughie for me as well.
- "Mafia cannot kill the other pokemon trainer, so they need to fish him out so they can lynch him." -- uh, plausible, but I don't think so
You've characterized the above as a conveniently "timely rayn scumread". But picking rayn first checks out, and if you look closely theres a couple valid points before it starts sounding like a stretch. Could be a spot of OMGUS going on. This also has a solid dose of "omg why are these people voting me for no reason" so there is a pattern to the behavior. You say randombum's been up for lynch twice, but I don't if closed casket was actually a serious attempt to lynch ranbombum, because it was all like "scummy lurker yo lynch him" and then folks sheeped on and then people chickened out because of noflip or whatever. Like, the watcher reveal got a couple votes onto cheescake, and then herpderp: while we were agonizing over OO vs debears what was that thread doing? Pretty much spectating and backseat driving. Cheesecake finally shows up to talk about his n2, proposes nolynch, people jump off his wagon, there's a renewed push for randombum, and then nolynch anyway... if I were randombum I'd be pretty paranoid about that too, which could explain the OMGUS behavior. And that's basically the extent of the substantial stuff. Does all this make randombum scum? Possibly, but I'm not super convinced. Fairly inactive and not very useful, yes, but I don't think I'm qualified to judge on that. Not bad as a vig shot, quite like Coag. Lynch? Uncertain.
The thing with randombum is that his case on me hinges on stuff that has happened on D1, D2 and D3. Nowhere ever before this has he said he is suspicious of me. Why would you not do that because the information has been here forever? Later on he tries to reason this by saying "i couldn't get you lynched before". That is bullshit. CCM and this thread was contributing with each other. I tried to get HiroPro and CC to lynch randombum in other thread. randombum did nothing to get anyone lynched in his own thread, and justifies his actions regarding this thread by "i couldn't do anything because debears vs OO". While this is true it's not a reason to try to find scum in this thread especially if you don't do that in CCM and you are dead set on no-lynching. He did no scumhunting, has not done any scumhunting, and his reasons for not having me as suspect earlier do not add up.
Besides this WoS goes into the same category. Suddenly now, when some people express suspicion on me he hops on the rayn train. This makes zero sense when he has never tried to question me in this game about anything but the pokemons. Now he accuses me on talking only about pokemons. What am i supposed to talk about when all the people are asking me about them? He says i have done none scumhunting. That's not true, i have not questioned people much, that is right. I have however hade clear stances on lynches (geript, geript, debears). I provided my reasoning for every one of my votes. I had a town read on vayne, so i called him town. Him flipping third faction has nothing to do with me being mafia, i don't hunt for third factions, i hunt mafia. If someone is not mafia to me they are probably town. My goal is to kill people who are not playing towards town wincon. Vayne seemed like doing so. Other that that, it's stupid to accuse me of talking about the setup and nothing more because every single lynch in this game has had to do only with people's roles and the usage of them. Him accusing me of it does not make any sense from town!pov.
Stutters is one big questionmark. He has done some townie things like outing the checks and being like a spokesperson in BM after Onegu died. That's good, but if he is scum, what else can he do as he is outed as a BM member? His reveal on the other pokemon guy and the timing of it and then just fucking off is really weird and he should be placed under further investigation.
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WoS hasn't pushed any town agenda either, has he?
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Who exactly are these survivor roles and why would they be mafia?
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Also "Rayn is another good example of someone it's often futile to argue with, and I will absolutely not be surprised when he switches to me." This. So do you still think i am scum or not?
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On September 09 2013 22:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not assuming they're mafia necessarily but I don't see how they can all be so unbelievably benign-seeming.
VE, VA, and Risen now. I don't know what we're supposed to assume about Yi but essentially we can't do shit about him since we only got snippets of info from Onegu/Stutters and he's been free to do whatever the fuck he's wanted. It has been rubbing me the wrong way since the start of the game. On that note, my initial list may have been wrong because I don't think anyone on my original list of who he could be is still alive. I have to check.
VA is dead.
VE's role is in thread.
Risen's claim sounds fake to you? Why?
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On September 09 2013 22:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 09 2013 22:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not assuming they're mafia necessarily but I don't see how they can all be so unbelievably benign-seeming.
VE, VA, and Risen now. I don't know what we're supposed to assume about Yi but essentially we can't do shit about him since we only got snippets of info from Onegu/Stutters and he's been free to do whatever the fuck he's wanted. It has been rubbing me the wrong way since the start of the game. On that note, my initial list may have been wrong because I don't think anyone on my original list of who he could be is still alive. I have to check.
VA is dead. VE's role is in thread. Risen's claim sounds fake to you? Why? It doesn't sound fake. What I'm saying is we have had 3 3P survivors and we 'know' Yi is 3P, are we supposed to assume survivor too? Why are YOU so interested in my Yi talk all of a sudden? Aren't you supposed to think it's scummy? What more do you need to hear?
Well who is Yi? Give some analysis who they are so we can question them and lynch them if we assume they are scum.
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Doesn't this sound a bit wrong WoS. Your case on me was purely based on "hunting the scum pokemon trainer and doing nothing else".
You are hunting third factions who could be scum, here, right now.
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WoS why did you drop your scumread on me?
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Axle: Can you make a clear consolidated post on why you think WoS is scum? I agree with him your posts are hardto read and i do not understand much of them, i would probably act like WoS is atm if i was in his position regardless of my alignment.
WoS: Can you tell us who would you lynch now and why? This back and forth with Axle is doing no good to anyone atm. It does not help people figure out your alignment. Also answer Axle when he makes the post please. Also also stop hunting for third factions unless you think they are scum, in that case explain why.
Stutters: You need to come in and explain yourself to Clarity's questions. Otherwise i will lynch you, because you are distracting everyone right now. Also who is scum? You just drop in with some pieco of information and fuck off immediately after that. I have no idea who do you think is mafia.
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