Totally /in.
This will be very interesting in that it's probably the vanilla-est normal I've played in.
Is mafia KP factional, and what are the voting rules? (Looks like plurality?)
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Totally /in. This will be very interesting in that it's probably the vanilla-est normal I've played in. Is mafia KP factional, and what are the voting rules? (Looks like plurality?) | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:44 geript wrote: I'm just going to go ahead and say it. If you're a lurker, then I'm going to tunnel you into hell. So if you have any intention of lurking, then I suggest you play another game. /hi5 | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:00 jrkirby wrote: Can the same person be framed two nights in a row by 2 separate framers? jrkirby confirmed scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 13:09 Ace wrote: oh shit! the legend has returned! Why are you not /in? | ||
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Ugh this game gonna take so longgggg to fill | ||
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On August 16 2013 17:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: foolishness gave me marching orders to get this going so it'll most likely start before 30 baring something surprising. It sucks that there are two 30-person games trying to get filled at the same time essentially, and neither one is filling. On August 17 2013 00:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I still want to break that page record (469?), I'm up for it. Please no. I mean I embrace the spammy side of the spammy vs concise argument but I don't even have enough time to catch up with GoT and I'm not even IN that game. I'll say this right now so it doesn't affect reads: if this turns out to be a 500 page game I will not be reading all of it---and I have NEVER not read and re-read a thread when necessary. | ||
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On August 17 2013 03:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @_@ As the host of this game I sure as hell hope that this doesn't break any page records. Also I'm gonna PM foolishness about this, but there's always the option to put this game on hold and let the other game fill and run first (I believe it has more signups atm). I don't know if this was actually ever a rule but I could have sworn someone once mentioned or I read how Normals and Normal (size) Themed games alternated in the queue rather than them both going up at once. | ||
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On August 19 2013 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok guys so this game is going to go on hold until aperture has filled. The forum can't support two large games running at once and if I cut down this game any more it becomes a mini (or at least not a full sized game) and I assume that people who are in this game want a big game. If they had wanted a mini they'd have joined a mini. Another thing that factors in to my decision is that I'm returning to school on Wednesday and my life is pretty hectic right now/I don't want to make solstice do all the work. I apologize for all the delays, I hope you're all still interested in playing. In the meantime go sign up for aperture so that game starts sooner I promise I'm still /in for this whenever it starts. Overall this probably just makes more sense. + Show Spoiler + More time for LoL now! | ||
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NO I JUST REPLACED INTO ANOTHER GAME AND IM SO BUSY I want this to be a full game | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: SHUT UP WAVE MZ IGNORE WAVE START GAME See if I ever rez YOU again. | ||
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Shit activity likely. | ||
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Hey MZ, can I please roll 3P survivor? I definitely don't have enough experience with it and would like to make it three games in a row. | ||
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UPDATE YOUR SHIT | ||
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VE, you watching LCS? | ||
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On September 17 2013 11:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I will be when I get home (if I can pry my wife off WoW -.-) Still can't watch the Riot streams from XBox Twitch can I? I don't own an Xbox I dunno how that shit works. Man people still play WoW? That's commitment. | ||
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On September 17 2013 11:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I just resubscribed XD I hear it's casual friendly now and I'm like UBER casual these days. Haha it's been casual friendly for years already. I definitely feel you but that's just one vial of heroin I want nowhere near my veins anymore. My tracks are just healing up. | ||
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You didn't count Umasi. | ||
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I'm going to finish off a 12-hour day in clinic and come back to 2k new posts or some shit and have Rayn screaming at the whole town to lynch me because I'm obv lurker scum. Thank goodness for 10PM deadline; I'll actually be able to post before flips. | ||
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On September 18 2013 04:31 Coagulation wrote: VE 2legit2quit YOLO /carpetbomb entire thread to cleanse this game of people that are going to make this game FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME At least I'll have you, sweet VE. | ||
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There will be butthurt. Oh yes. | ||
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We've got town v mafia, but then we've got 'Black Mesa' style factions in the 'spam v nospam' who can be members of either town OR mafia. Each has their own wincon----spammers wincon is to get the thread to hit a certain number of pages by a certain day without getting modkilled (bonus if you get nospammers to replace out from frustration), while the nospammers have to keep their filters below a certain number of pages and remove/vig all the spmamers from the game without getting lynched themselves from a combination of lurking/contributing in massive posts. | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:29 DarthPunk wrote: I really don't think I want to play now... Stop being a curmudgeonly old sod. Just fucking play a game of mafia with your friends. I want to say if I'm scum and you're town I'd even consider not killing you N1 but I suppose I can't really make that promise, can I? | ||
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On September 19 2013 20:00 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2013 19:58 ObviousOne wrote: Cherry (people tend to use canned but... yeah... gimme fresh baby) and a doughy-cakey crumble. What's not to like? It looks like vomit. You look like vomit. | ||
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On September 19 2013 21:11 geript wrote: Also guys, don't expect me to be super active. My previous meta will be useless related to inability to spam. Not that anyone will believe me. I will, luv muffin. | ||
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On September 20 2013 00:38 yamato77 wrote: I question why I signed up for this after the atrocity that was LXI Why. Why bring up that game? | ||
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MZ update your sheeeeeeeet | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes. This is an opening to a game. Nothing but townclaims. Everyone who has posted is in my CIRCLE OF TRUST. I am approximately 86% sure that everyone who has posted above me is town, INCLUDING anyone who's posted between the time of writing this and the time of posting it. So yous guys - you're gonna help me find scum amongst e'rybudy else. Are you ready? LOLVE First thoughts: MZ, I love your Daypost; but I get the feeling that much of the current crowd have no idea who those blue and red names refer to. Might I suggest a reimagining for those who haven't been a part of the mafia forum since 1997? OO---who the fuck raids anymore? Everyone else---I'm off to play TS mafia. Be back latar when something of note may or may not have happened. | ||
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Except I have absolutely no desire to sift through this shitfest. Quick someone say something I care about! | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:45 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 11:43 geript wrote: DarthPunk not being enough of an asshole. He's not town. So that's me saying I'm making a meta case. No DP is the only one who said shit about me making a meta case. Also. WoS needs to be lynched D2. Y | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:49 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 21 2013 12:45 geript wrote: On September 21 2013 11:43 geript wrote: DarthPunk not being enough of an asshole. He's not town. So that's me saying I'm making a meta case. No DP is the only one who said shit about me making a meta case. Also. WoS needs to be lynched D2. Y You didn't say hi to me. Honestly, I did kind of want to do the usual thing but this thread is being shit up way too much as is. I'll wait for the other 3/4 of the game to show up and for things to calm down before I post for realz. You can't lynch me D2 if I die N1 btw. Jes' sayin'. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:06 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 13:05 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 21 2013 12:49 geript wrote: On September 21 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 21 2013 12:45 geript wrote: On September 21 2013 11:43 geript wrote: DarthPunk not being enough of an asshole. He's not town. So that's me saying I'm making a meta case. No DP is the only one who said shit about me making a meta case. Also. WoS needs to be lynched D2. Y You didn't say hi to me. Honestly, I did kind of want to do the usual thing but this thread is being shit up way too much as is. I'll wait for the other 3/4 of the game to show up and for things to calm down before I post for realz. You can't lynch me D2 if I die N1 btw. Jes' sayin'. Can you please read the conversation between geript and myself and tell me your conclusions? Pretty Please? Must I? I don't really have much to say. Too much shit-flinging, too much high emotion for absolutely no reason. Like, I know I called you a curmudgeonly old sod, DP, but you are really fucking salty right now. Or acting it. Either way comes across the same. Clam down a little. Bum a fag off someone. If Geript is worth looking into he usually makes it pretty evident (IF HE PLAYS PROPERLY---I;m still kind of WTFing over your Aperture play). As for you, you're either dead tonight or scum, right? Why bother with you right now? | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 13:05 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 21 2013 12:49 geript wrote: On September 21 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 21 2013 12:45 geript wrote: On September 21 2013 11:43 geript wrote: DarthPunk not being enough of an asshole. He's not town. So that's me saying I'm making a meta case. No DP is the only one who said shit about me making a meta case. Also. WoS needs to be lynched D2. Y You didn't say hi to me. Honestly, I did kind of want to do the usual thing but this thread is being shit up way too much as is. I'll wait for the other 3/4 of the game to show up and for things to calm down before I post for realz. You can't lynch me D2 if I die N1 btw. Jes' sayin'. You won't die night one in this game. Why not? | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 13:02 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 21 2013 12:58 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i say this, you should listen to me. I am the king of unreasonable arguments... How is my argument unreasonable? He clearly used meta and then flat out denied it. tbh i read blabla than bölalalal then blalansaös. Seemed like a shitfest for nothing. Wanna lynch Koshi btw? Not particularly. Although you are the Koshi master. What is it about him that you don't like? Koshi is devolving in this game. Look at his last town games (in chronological order). Compare them to this game and GoT. Honestly I kind of blame you in Persona for raising his confidence to batshit insane levels. It's like he copies your crazy as shit townplay but leaves out the good things about it. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think DP is playing "stupidly emotionally" at all. There's not an excessive amount of shit-flinging going on. WoS might be scum guys. :/ VE u mak me sad. And yeah DP, Geript's points against you were meta-y even though he says they're not but why do you care? Does that make him scum? Why bother attacking him? | ||
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Are you town? If so, do you want to be killed N1? Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.) All of the above questions lead to these ones: Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back? If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:22 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 21 2013 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think DP is playing "stupidly emotionally" at all. There's not an excessive amount of shit-flinging going on. WoS might be scum guys. :/ VE u mak me sad. And yeah DP, Geript's points against you were meta-y even though he says they're not but why do you care? Does that make him scum? Why bother attacking him? Because he is refusing to make a meta case when his case is meta. It doesn't feel right. And I attack bad/false arguments when they are accusing me so that they can't be used to lynch me. Obviously. Why do you think Geript's 'case' is even remotely good enough to get you lynched? Especially in the first like HOUR of the game? I just don't understand---you really seem like you're overdoing it. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:26 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly DP I have a question for you. Are you town? If so, do you want to be killed N1? Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.) All of the above questions lead to these ones: Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back? If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? YEs NO NO Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that: A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die. B) potentially get medic protected Also: C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun. This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor. Are you 3P DP? | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:16 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote: @DP geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it. He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me. As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted. I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite. I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts. It's pretty damn meaningless. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:59 VisceraEyes wrote: And with that gents, I'm off to sleep. I expect I'll have a hefty amount of reading to do when I wake up, so as a favor to me if you're reading this before posting, joining the game late has lost you the right to do any early-game spam fun. You want to spam-fun? Do that shit as soon as the game starts. Shit has happened now, so please keep the discussion focused on relevant topics. Or don;t and draw my ire. Either way, there are several people in this game whose opinion on the geript stuff I want and I look forward to reading it. Ninight guys. On September 21 2013 15:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't care if you do or not. Anything else? | ||
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On September 21 2013 16:01 geript wrote: Ok I'll just assume that you're both scum then. lolgeript. I'm having mixed feelings right now because on one hand it's kind of hilarious watching you call other people than me scum for stupid reasons, but on the other hand I kind of miss it a little. We'll chat tomorrow bbygrl. We can team up against the tryhards of the world. | ||
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Playing voice mafia but I'll check back periodically. | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:37 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + I know nothing of DP. Enlighten me.On September 22 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote: If you guys know anything about DP then you know exactly why I asked those questions. Actually, Mocsta? | ||
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I back. A few things: For those people asking about my intentions and posting regarding DP: I played a stretch of games with him a little while ago and became fairly confident in my townread of him. Ever since playing voice mafia with him I feel like my ability is now slightly crowded since I know a little more about him and his style. My prodding served two purposes: first of all, as some of you may or may not know, DP likes to play his game with a pinch of salt, that is to say, he gets angry/annoyed pretty easily. As such after delving a little into attempting to determine his alignment I decided to see how he'd react to some dumb (and yet truthful) comments: On September 21 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 13:26 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly DP I have a question for you. Are you town? If so, do you want to be killed N1? Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.) All of the above questions lead to these ones: Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back? If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? YEs NO NO Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that: A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die. B) potentially get medic protected Also: C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun. This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor. Are you 3P DP? On September 21 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 14:16 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote: @DP geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it. He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me. As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted. I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite. I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts. It's pretty damn meaningless. DP didn't take easy bait here and has actively REALLY attempted to avoid shitting things up despite an aggravating geript (who I'm pretty sure is town, btw) and me to a lesser degree pushing him. More likely town for that as it's really easy to pawn off or excuse early game shitfests/trolling. The second purpose of my prodding, specifically the questions post, is that not only did I actually want to know the legitimate answers to those questions (which DP answered very well imo) I also wanted to gauge some other reactions to those questions as some people have noticed, is kind of an odd line of questioning and essentially only pertains to DP's specific meta, which I will explain here for people who don't know. DP is known as a very strong town player. As such he is often a target of mafia kills extremely early in many games, including dying on N0 games before he can even DO anything. He absolutely hates this (almost as much as he hates 3P survivor apparently, for similar reasons---hence my bait about 3P despite there obviously not being one in this game. DP didn't take it ) The reason I asked him here is because as a townie, I very much want a town DP to be on my side and a part of the game as long as possible, so I was wondering if perhaps he would have considered changing his posting style slightly so if town, he could survive mafia hits a while longer. This doesn't appear to be the case and is perfectly fine. Hopefully I will have no caught up to everything relevant regarding me up until recently. New stuff: Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something. Yamato, come on dude. You're not that bad. | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:43 yamato77 wrote: @Wave So you think DP is town, congratulations. Still not entirely thrilled with your game plan so far. What game plan? I don't have one. As town I hunt scum, and I make it easy for people to determine that I'm town. D1 is slow for me and always has been. I'll be able to get a read on a few players here and there but I very rarely have strong scumreads until a little later in the game unless it's something like Dandel. What more would you like from me specifically? Right now I could lynch LM based on Marv's point, or maybe justanothertownie. And don't even get me started on the lurker/no-post factor because that shit pisses me off every game regardless of my alignment. I have to stuff to say about that too but I don't want to derail if people don't want to hear it from me atm. | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:50 VisceraEyes wrote: The stuff about geript. Feels townie to me. Yup. Geript is a ballsy player in general as town or scum but specifically attacking DP, who is a well-known strong town player and getting on his bad side is suicidal if Geript is scum and DP town. It would honestly make more sense if DP were scum and geript town, but I do not believe Geript actually has strong enough reasons to call DP scum fo realz, and I do not personally believe DP is scum atm. | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:52 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 03:51 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 22 2013 03:43 yamato77 wrote: @Wave So you think DP is town, congratulations. Still not entirely thrilled with your game plan so far. What game plan? I don't have one. As town I hunt scum, and I make it easy for people to determine that I'm town. D1 is slow for me and always has been. I'll be able to get a read on a few players here and there but I very rarely have strong scumreads until a little later in the game unless it's something like Dandel. What more would you like from me specifically? Right now I could lynch LM based on Marv's point, or maybe justanothertownie. And don't even get me started on the lurker/no-post factor because that shit pisses me off every game regardless of my alignment. I have to stuff to say about that too but I don't want to derail if people don't want to hear it from me atm. What's your read on VisceraEyes? VE? I'm not sure of him atm. I think what most surprises me right now is his lack of interaction with (or even mentioning of) me. We're just coming off of a win in Aperture and we're pretty good buds so I would think if a town VE found me town he wouldn't hesitate to interact as he is a buddying kinda guy. | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:54 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 22 2013 03:50 VisceraEyes wrote: The stuff about geript. Feels townie to me. Yup. Geript is a ballsy player in general as town or scum but specifically attacking DP, who is a well-known strong town player and getting on his bad side is suicidal if Geript is scum and DP town. It would honestly make more sense if DP were scum and geript town, but I do not believe Geript actually has strong enough reasons to call DP scum fo realz, and I do not personally believe DP is scum atm. I agree with this, but he was talking about Mocsta's stuff about geript. Oh. Let me have a look. Also want to comment on JAT's recent post. | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:53 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something. If you want me to comment on something different you just have to ask me instead of trying to paint me red. Note that I was specifially asked about my read on you and this post was the only one that stuck out to me. Why would I not ask about the intention behind it? First of all, does my explanation of DP's meta satisfy you? Second, regarding your post: fair enough I suppose. I am curious as to how you have found nothing out of the ordinary about my earlier posting other than the one you mentioned. There are certainly enough people who have voted me and found things that are scummy about me, why have you not attempted to discuss this with them? Am I scum, JAT? | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:57 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 03:15 yamato77 wrote: On September 22 2013 03:14 geript wrote: Why does everyone forget that I was the first person to call out my wubbybumpkins. You could give an updated read on WoS, and perhaps reads on other players in the game. You know, like I asked you to do. There hasn't been a reason to upgrade or downgrade him from suspicious. He didn't engage me at all despite the fight with DP. Plus he bypassed the whole fight entirely. And he didn't give a reason for not engaging the common topic. Because it was a dumb and pointless fight, luv muffin. You know that. I wanted to bypass that and get to the meat of the game, which for me is starting now. | ||
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I am honestly fucking awful at reading him. It used to be because of sheer spam but there have since been spammier players than him who I can actually read to some degree (Rayn) so now it's simply because I'm bad at reading him. I think it was mentioned early but the trolly entry to the thread and subsequent change in posting style could very easily come from both a scum or town Mocsta. I think it'll get easier for me regarding him as the game goes on but I really can't trust myself to read him properly. | ||
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On September 22 2013 04:17 Coagulation wrote: Anyone buying marvs tryhard "taking notes" bullshit? I consider myself a bit of a marv aficionado and hes giving me bad vibes here for sure. Are you.....are you actually going to play this time? Can you explain what you mean by this because marv's entry to the thread and early posts seem pretty typical of himself to me. | ||
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On September 22 2013 04:08 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 22 2013 03:53 justanothertownie wrote: On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something. If you want me to comment on something different you just have to ask me instead of trying to paint me red. Note that I was specifially asked about my read on you and this post was the only one that stuck out to me. Why would I not ask about the intention behind it? First of all, does my explanation of DP's meta satisfy you? Second, regarding your post: fair enough I suppose. I am curious as to how you have found nothing out of the ordinary about my earlier posting other than the one you mentioned. There are certainly enough people who have voted me and found things that are scummy about me, why have you not attempted to discuss this with them? Am I scum, JAT? So basically you wanted to see if he would take your weird questions and use them to shit up the thread? There is no reason for me not to believe this. You are right about your 3rd party accusation at least. He could have easily used that to argue with you as scum. I didn't have a scumread on you the post just made no sense to me. The things other people attacked you for were not that impressive to me. Do you have any scumreads atm? | ||
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On September 22 2013 04:25 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 04:17 Coagulation wrote: Anyone buying marvs tryhard "taking notes" bullshit? I consider myself a bit of a marv aficionado and hes giving me bad vibes here for sure. You almost always read me wrong, twinkletoes. To wave, I'm not sure where you're going with this JAT thing? You seem to be reading more into him questioning that DP post of yours than I'm understanding. Explain to me like I'm a lil babe? Essentially he hasn't contributed a great deal and it looked to me at the time as though he jumped on an 'odd' post of mine which is an easy thing to do when you're trying to contribute (read: scummy). In questioning him now I'm trying to get him to explain himself as well as contribute more because thus far it's only looked like 'trying' to me and not actual contribution. He's answered me satisfactorily I think but I'm still wary of the 'trying to contribute' vibe I get from him. | ||
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On September 22 2013 06:01 FirmTofu wrote: Ello peeples. Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 12:08 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote: Cos I do what I want bish. And you want to be useless and Bad. Cool. Why did DP capitalize "Bad"? I dun lyke sekrits so plox explain Mr.DP. Okay, I'm done with my trolling for the day. I see that geript and DP have engaged in a shitfest argument that is meaningless and spammy filled with ad hominem attacks. That should stop now because it is anti-town play. I like rayn for stepping up to the plate and tell geript and DP to cut out the bullshit. I think DP comes off the worst with this argument. DP has showcased a deliberate and calculted town posting style in past games I've seen of him. He is not the type to spam the thread into uselessness. I'm not saying he's scum, but I really dislike his approach so far. I think we should keep a close watch on him as the day progresses. Geript emerges from the shitfest argument in a favorable light, imo. His town play is usually spammy and meaningless during day one. Good examples include Nuclear Winter and Bluelightz(he was hydra smurf). Still on page 30 catching up to the thread. On phone atm but I want to know if anyone else found something odd/disturbing about this post. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 07:22 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 22 2013 06:01 FirmTofu wrote: Ello peeples. On September 21 2013 12:08 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote: Cos I do what I want bish. And you want to be useless and Bad. Cool. Why did DP capitalize "Bad"? I dun lyke sekrits so plox explain Mr.DP. Okay, I'm done with my trolling for the day. I see that geript and DP have engaged in a shitfest argument that is meaningless and spammy filled with ad hominem attacks. That should stop now because it is anti-town play. I like rayn for stepping up to the plate and tell geript and DP to cut out the bullshit. I think DP comes off the worst with this argument. DP has showcased a deliberate and calculted town posting style in past games I've seen of him. He is not the type to spam the thread into uselessness. I'm not saying he's scum, but I really dislike his approach so far. I think we should keep a close watch on him as the day progresses. Geript emerges from the shitfest argument in a favorable light, imo. His town play is usually spammy and meaningless during day one. Good examples include Nuclear Winter and Bluelightz(he was hydra smurf). Still on page 30 catching up to the thread. On phone atm but I want to know if anyone else found something odd/disturbing about this post. It would help if I knew what you were referring to. Do you mean the referreeing? Or the defending geript? Or what? It looks like a pretty standard nullish interjection while catching up to me. Sort of? Ill explain when not on phone (3-4h mebbe?) But I also wanted to be purposefully a litle cryptic to see if anyone else was on the same page as me since nobody has mentioned FT at all yet. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I can get behind a Vayne lynch for the sake of removing one useless person in this game. We have vigs. Ill explain my stance on lurkers and vigs later, I want to make it very clear. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I have to parrot rayn here though and say that the longer it goes between his "I'm catching up" post and something with some substance, the worse he looks though. Not what I was getting at but I'm fine with the suspicion. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 06:01 FirmTofu wrote: Ello peeples. On September 21 2013 12:08 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote: Cos I do what I want bish. And you want to be useless and Bad. Cool. Why did DP capitalize "Bad"? I dun lyke sekrits so plox explain Mr.DP. Okay, I'm done with my trolling for the day. I see that geript and DP have engaged in a shitfest argument that is meaningless and spammy filled with ad hominem attacks. That should stop now because it is anti-town play. I like rayn for stepping up to the plate and tell geript and DP to cut out the bullshit. I think DP comes off the worst with this argument. DP has showcased a deliberate and calculted town posting style in past games I've seen of him. He is not the type to spam the thread into uselessness. I'm not saying he's scum, but I really dislike his approach so far. I think we should keep a close watch on him as the day progresses. Geript emerges from the shitfest argument in a favorable light, imo. His town play is usually spammy and meaningless during day one. Good examples include Nuclear Winter and Bluelightz(he was hydra smurf). Still on page 30 catching up to the thread. On phone atm but I want to know if anyone else found something odd/disturbing about this post. Ok I'm going out but just so i can do this in case anyone wants to talk about it while I'm gone. Not sure what this means alignment-wise but I found it extremely curious that somehow Rayn is the one that comes out of the 'shitfest' looking the best and that DP looks the worst. Like...I can maybe see DP's 'deliberate and claculating' style (I certainly wouldn't call DP calculating but whatever) but how does he follow accusing DP of spamming the thread into uselessness? Not only does he attempt to retire from arguing multiple times, he also engages multiple people in conversation and pushes multiple avenues of thought, all pro-town avenues. Then "I'm not calling him scum, but"---real commitment right thurr. AND THEN he calls Geript's responses favourable. I enjoy defending Geript now and then and I certainly have a townread on him this game (and have explained why) but how in anyway does he find the trolly arguing and accusing of DP favourable? Not to mention he has Geript's meta completely wrong, calling him spammy and meaningless D1 in Bluelightz and NWM, both games in which Geript played very pro-town and very well imo. This whole post of FT's rubs me the wrong way because it's all wrong, and all backwards, both in terms of going against seeming thread sentiment but also against what seems to be correct. Mafia-aligned? Not sure. I can't tell what kind of mindset it takes to be so blatantly wrong in my opinion---like I can't see mafia agenda in this post necessarily due to the content, though as others have mentioned it may have just been an attempt to try and be useful without actually being so, so he could fuck off, which IS mafia-aligned....but then again wouldn't you want to be RIGHT about this stuff if you were mafia? Someone said it earlier but however FT responds to the attention he has wrought upon himself will be very alignment indicative imo. He's going to have to be very careful which is going to make it tough on us. Be back in a couple hours. | ||
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On September 22 2013 11:06 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Everyone else---I'm off to play TS mafia. Be back latar when something of note may or may not have happened. Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Apparently Voice mafia isn't happening tonight so here I am! Except I have absolutely no desire to sift through this shitfest. Quick someone say something I care about! Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote: If you guys know anything about DP then you know exactly why I asked those questions. Playing voice mafia but I'll check back periodically. Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Ever since playing voice mafia with him I feel like my ability is now slightly crowded since I know a little more about him and his style. Problem, kush? | ||
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Are you angry about voice mafia for some reason? + Show Spoiler + (Hint, that's 5 times now) | ||
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Since there is no other discussion taking place right now and I won't be derailing any conversation: Vigs by the end of the day I feel like we need to create a list of 'viggable' targets for N1. If anyone outside of those targets died we know they were killed by scum. I don't believe anyone who has actually shown even the slightest amount of effort today should be vigged (ie kush) but people who have like <5 posts (ie Vayne) could be. We have absolutely no chance of winning this game (not that I have much faith in TL towns lately anyway, but still) if we allow lurkers and low posters to run rampant. The anti-town posters will have to come next unfortunately. As for lynches we have to lynch scum. | ||
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On September 22 2013 14:12 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote: Wave ##Vote: Sentinel Oh rearry Mocsta? I'm not your strongest scumread anymore huh? | ||
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On September 22 2013 14:17 Mocsta wrote: Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot. At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch. Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game. Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now. Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3 Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions. | ||
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On September 22 2013 14:22 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 22 2013 14:17 Mocsta wrote: Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot. At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch. Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game. Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now. Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3 Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions. Fine, my specific issue with your defense was the injection of the word "townie" as follows Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai ladies. I back. A few things: For those people asking about my intentions and posting regarding DP: I played a stretch of games with him a little while ago and became fairly confident in my townread of him. Ever since playing voice mafia with him I feel like my ability is now slightly crowded since I know a little more about him and his style. My prodding served two purposes: first of all, as some of you may or may not know, DP likes to play his game with a pinch of salt, that is to say, he gets angry/annoyed pretty easily. As such after delving a little into attempting to determine his alignment I decided to see how he'd react to some dumb (and yet truthful) comments:+ Show Spoiler + On September 21 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 13:26 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly DP I have a question for you. Are you town? If so, do you want to be killed N1? Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.) All of the above questions lead to these ones: Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back? If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? YEs NO NO Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that: A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die. B) potentially get medic protected Also: C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun. This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor. Are you 3P DP? On September 21 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 14:16 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote: @DP geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it. He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me. As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted. I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite. I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts. It's pretty damn meaningless. DP didn't take easy bait here and has actively REALLY attempted to avoid shitting things up despite an aggravating geript (who I'm pretty sure is town, btw) and me to a lesser degree pushing him. More likely town for that as it's really easy to pawn off or excuse early game shitfests/trolling. The second purpose of my prodding, specifically the questions post, is that not only did I actually want to know the legitimate answers to those questions (which DP answered very well imo) I also wanted to gauge some other reactions to those questions as some people have noticed, is kind of an odd line of questioning and essentially only pertains to DP's specific meta, which I will explain here for people who don't know. DP is known as a very strong town player. As such he is often a target of mafia kills extremely early in many games, including dying on N0 games before he can even DO anything. He absolutely hates this (almost as much as he hates 3P survivor apparently, for similar reasons---hence my bait about 3P despite there obviously not being one in this game. DP didn't take it ) The reason I asked him here is because as a townie, I very much want a town DP to be on my side and a part of the game as long as possible, so I was wondering if perhaps he would have considered changing his posting style slightly so if town, he could survive mafia hits a while longer. This doesn't appear to be the case and is perfectly fine. + Show Spoiler + Hopefully I will have no caught up to everything relevant regarding me up until recently. New stuff: Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something. Yamato, come on dude. You're not that bad. Frankly, that doesn't read like a natural stream of consciousness to me. As I said, because it was a defense, I think town or scum could have "refined" that statement by adding the clause "as a townie". Its an issue to me; but in isolation I don't want to lynch you over it. Overall your posting has been consistent in confidence. Bigger fish to fry; and sentinel represents a higher percentage to be scum as far as I am concerned. It's an issue to people like you who try to lynch/suspect people over semantics, because then if I don't use those specific words you say something like: "Of course you want a town DP to be on your side as scum!" It's horseshit, Mocsta. I accept the fact that you've backed down from me because you realized your suspicion was dumb as balls. So you're voting Sentinel because he's policy voting Coag for being useless huh? What is the difference between this and your vote on Sentinel himself? I don't see it if there is one. | ||
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I've seen you get like this at various points of a game but never so consistently throughout and obviously so. This is what made me talk early on about you 'overdoing it.' | ||
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People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia! My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want? Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=51#1005 | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:02 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what? People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia! My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want? Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=51#1005 I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so. See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.' | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:13 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 21:09 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 22 2013 21:02 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what? People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia! My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want? Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=51#1005 I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so. See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.' I do it as scum too. So no. not meta-able. Also I'm playing league. I will post when i feel like it. If that's an invitation I can't play atm. About you not being meta-able----horseshit imo. I'm prooty bad at using meta so I'm sure I wouldn't be able to, but I have no doubts in my mind that everyone is meta-able to some degree, and everyone has tells when they play for a certain team, some simply happen to be way more subtle than others. If I weren't so awful at it (and I figured it would actually help solve the game in some way) I would take that as a challenge. | ||
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Things that made me laugh: VA's second 'blogpost.' I'm not going to lynch him purely from an entertainment standpoint. Things that have bothered me: Yamato. Some people analyzed his return to the thread already in which he names a bunch of people, gave scumreads and rescinded others....and then copped out on Ray. Shit doesn't make sense, and I really don't like people dropping shit on 'easy' targets. I haven't fully caught up yet but I'm posting this here because skimming through yamato's filter I see he's posted since so I'm interested to see how he deals with the pressure. This shit with DP v FirmTofu. On September 23 2013 01:45 DarthPunk wrote: Before I go to bed I wanted to discuss this post from Firm Tofu in light of him being quite scummy. Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 06:01 FirmTofu wrote: Ello peeples. On September 21 2013 12:08 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote: Cos I do what I want bish. And you want to be useless and Bad. Cool. Why did DP capitalize "Bad"? I dun lyke sekrits so plox explain Mr.DP. Now this is clearly a piece of blue hunting, but notice how he tries to downplay his question? Like he doesn't want to be taken serious in his blue hunting because he has inherent guilt and knows it is suspicious. Thoughts? It's great and all that DP thinks FT is scum but why the fuck is he absolutely avoiding the analysis I did on FT's entry post? I would think that if a townie has a scumread then he would want to discuss and analyze all points to make sure he is spot on. I'm really not enjoying DP's attitude this game (although maybe I'm biased because I hate being ignored and it looks as though DP is trying to counter-piss me off). Observations: Lonemeow is a newbie. Martyring is bad but scum tends not to do it---frustrated newbies do (think Geript in LX). I was honestly thinking of voting him up until I read the recent exchanges with him but yeah that kind of martyring is a huge towntell for me. Lonemeow pick up the fucking slack if you don't want to die. This interests me. On September 23 2013 04:51 Chairman Ray wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 04:39 LoneMeow wrote: On September 23 2013 04:34 Koshi wrote: On September 23 2013 04:29 LoneMeow wrote: On September 23 2013 04:27 Coagulation wrote: Lonemeow doesnt believe in re reading thread. I've read and re-read the thread and filters all the time I had. I'm simply nowhere near good enough for games with players of this caliber. Then don't get lynched as town... We need to get rid of 2 scummers rather fast because the 3 NK shizzle. It's already enough if you don't get lynched as town on D1... No need to find all the scummers. How am I supposed to do that when I have no reads and no thread presence? LoneMeow, on D1, nobody knows who is town and who is mafia. If you are town, you know who you are and that's it. The biggest victory you can achieve for town is for you to not get lynched. Voting for yourself spells a huge lack of confidence, and how do you expect us to believe in you, if you don't even believe in yourself? When you vote someone on D1, you don't know what they will flip, but you can be confident in that vote knowing that it is the one you will regret the least. So you can keep your vote on yourself, put it back on Umasi, or whatever you want. Either way, I am confident in my vote on you because I know you play a lot better, and I think this is just a ploy to get everyone to think you are just a bad town. If Lonemeow truly is town then I think Chairman might actually be scum. This doesn't exclude yamato from being scummy in my books though as people bus weaker scum members (or all of them in CC's case) all the time. Oh here we go, yamato's new post. Shits, that's a strong defense imo. yamato please try to stay in the thread---I find I'm becoming easily swayed by others' opinions of you when you bigpost then disappear for a while. I'd like to talk to you myself. | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:42 yamato77 wrote: @Wave I'm here if there's anything you want to talk about. Ohai. Trying to get back in here in terms of town sentiment since I haven't been able to post in a lot of hours, but I will be around until deadline. Just to start off a conversation, top two to lynch from you, and why? (short form, I am aware of your recent large posts) I have some stuff I want to ask you but I am attempting to not derail current topics because it seems people are not always interested in the things I want to talk about. | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:56 ObviousOne wrote: WoS who you want to talk about? Town sentiment is irrelevant if you're town. I'm glad you think so but I've posted 4-5 things in this game that have gone completely ignored because they weren't 'current topics.' yamato I'm kind of surprised at Rayn/Mocsta being your top two. Do you think you can get either of them lynched today? | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote: Chairman Ray, not Rayn. Yes, I think I can get him lynched. Oh, flerp. That makes a lot more sense. Yeah, you probably can get him lynched. I'm not sold on him being scum>bad town though. I'd probably lean towards him being bad town but I also have a bad track record of giving people the 'bad town' benefit of the doubt when they may not deserve it. I feel more strongly about Lonemeow being 'bad town' than Ray and Ray himself seems to be comfortable with his LM vote.... On September 23 2013 05:47 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 05:46 Mattchew wrote: Yamato i voted you to see how angry you would get... I dont sense the fury in that post I'm intentionally not tilting this game. It's easier to do in forum mafia than in Voice. If you OMGUS and yell at your accusers, you become DP. What I really want to talk about is DP v FT because I'm still pretty bothered by many of DP's reactions this game. I am aware you're currently still leaning town on him but I wonder if you know what a mafia DP is capable of? I have never played in a game where DP was mafia. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:15 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 07:09 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote: Chairman Ray, not Rayn. Yes, I think I can get him lynched. Oh, flerp. That makes a lot more sense. Yeah, you probably can get him lynched. I'm not sold on him being scum>bad town though. I'd probably lean towards him being bad town but I also have a bad track record of giving people the 'bad town' benefit of the doubt when they may not deserve it. I feel more strongly about Lonemeow being 'bad town' than Ray and Ray himself seems to be comfortable with his LM vote.... On September 23 2013 05:47 yamato77 wrote: On September 23 2013 05:46 Mattchew wrote: Yamato i voted you to see how angry you would get... I dont sense the fury in that post I'm intentionally not tilting this game. It's easier to do in forum mafia than in Voice. If you OMGUS and yell at your accusers, you become DP. What I really want to talk about is DP v FT because I'm still pretty bothered by many of DP's reactions this game. I am aware you're currently still leaning town on him but I wonder if you know what a mafia DP is capable of? I have never played in a game where DP was mafia. Generally even bad town don't continually make posts that effectively say nothing. I'm not leaning town on DP. I'm firmly null on him. My official stance is "not going to pursue any further because accusing him doesn't help his alignment become much clearer." At what point will his alignment become clearer? I'm not a fan of 'wait a few days and if they're still alive, lynch' because we're already going to have quite a few of those in this game. Have you played with a mafia DP before? | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:16 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 06:56 ObviousOne wrote: WoS who you want to talk about? Town sentiment is irrelevant if you're town. I'm glad you think so but I've posted 4-5 things in this game that have gone completely ignored because they weren't 'current topics.' yamato I'm kind of surprised at Rayn/Mocsta being your top two. Do you think you can get either of them lynched today? Why are you surprised? yamato's pushes look better than I'm used to seeing from him on day 1 actually (sorry yam). I've found what he's written quite persuasive. Because I thought it was Rayn, not Ray, and I didn't remember him attempting to push Rayn at all which is why I was asking if he thought he could get either lynched. Marv I knwo you're a slow start kinda guy sometimes, but this game has been exceptionally slow for you thus far, it seems. What geevs? | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote: Here's something interesting guys. Remember I posted about this? Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 13:16 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 21 2013 13:02 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 21 2013 12:58 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i say this, you should listen to me. I am the king of unreasonable arguments... How is my argument unreasonable? He clearly used meta and then flat out denied it. tbh i read blabla than bölalalal then blalansaös. Seemed like a shitfest for nothing. Wanna lynch Koshi btw? Not particularly. Although you are the Koshi master. What is it about him that you don't like? Koshi is devolving in this game. Look at his last town games (in chronological order). Compare them to this game and GoT. Wasn't he town in Persona 4? Can't really tell the difference. But if you are really confident in your read of koshi I will back you later. Well, rayn was confident later, and DP didn't back him. Was he reminded of this since? | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:29 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 07:26 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote: Here's something interesting guys. Remember I posted about this? On September 21 2013 13:16 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 21 2013 13:02 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 21 2013 12:58 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i say this, you should listen to me. I am the king of unreasonable arguments... How is my argument unreasonable? He clearly used meta and then flat out denied it. tbh i read blabla than bölalalal then blalansaös. Seemed like a shitfest for nothing. Wanna lynch Koshi btw? Not particularly. Although you are the Koshi master. What is it about him that you don't like? Koshi is devolving in this game. Look at his last town games (in chronological order). Compare them to this game and GoT. Wasn't he town in Persona 4? Can't really tell the difference. But if you are really confident in your read of koshi I will back you later. Well, rayn was confident later, and DP didn't back him. Was he reminded of this since? No. Should he have to be reminded of what he said? Sometimes. I've forgotten shit like that before. Koshi says that apparently DP looked into him and didn't want to vote him though so apparently he didn't necessarily forget? | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote: Yes Koshi, I did find that post, I'm not an idiot It's a really weird reason for defending you by the way. I remember that post, and I actually thought it was a good reason. What struck you as weird about it? | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:39 marvellosity wrote: Btw, I'm not sure what I make of DP read-wise, and I highly, highly doubt I'd push for his lynch today, so I'm not sure how productive it is to talk about it now, especially as he's not here to explain it himself. Well as we're nearing deadline, who do you think the topics of conversation should be? LM/Ray? Anyone else? I wouldn't be surprised if it comes down to those two and they both end up simply being newbie town, and I don't feel good about that. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote: I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try. Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though. ##Vote: Umasi Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. Show nested quote + On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote: On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote: I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:01 Koshi wrote: @yamato77: Well, his first post was a really easy way for scum to enter the thread. Say some stuff about himself mainly that his reads are bad and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to him. Ending with being open for questions if there are any. @rayn: WoS made a big ass post about secret taktics and it reminded me of his sekret tactics in Persona. @marv: I am here, reading everything. I don't know what to do. @JAT: Yes, I play different this time. I think it is because it is a big game now. I don't remember what I did right in Aperture that I am not doing now, probably activity. I didn't have any sekret taktiks in Persona, I just played like ass. I wasn't particularly secretive about my poking in this game either; fairly sure DP knew exactly what I was doing. That's kinda weak meta stuff. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote: On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote: I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try. Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though. ##Vote: Umasi Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote: On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote: I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science. Read what I wrote again, learn to read, then respond again. Thanks Wave. Hint: check the timestamp of the 2nd quote. Do you mean it is literally the only time LM EVER mentioned Umasi? I assumed you meant in this game. Don't condescend to me marv. It's unbecoming. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:16 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 13:15 Mattchew wrote: I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Oh yah, this is why. There's no way to really know how many fucks a player gives unless you know his alignment. This just seems like a really weird statement from a town perspective as a 1 of in the middle of things. No, he's basing this on our VOICE MAFIA games, in which it was explained to him that I give zero fucks as any alignment. I have stated that I don't find a great deal of correlation between VOICE MAFIA play and forum mafia play though aside from certain cases though (kush), but I don't think Mattchew knows my stance on that. I do remember reading this and thinking, 'Wait, is he really reading me based on the two VM games we played together?' I tend to give more fucks in forum mafia though the more I play, the fewer fucks I give. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:18 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 08:17 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote: On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote: On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote: I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try. Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though. ##Vote: Umasi Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote: On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote: I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science. Read what I wrote again, learn to read, then respond again. Thanks Wave. Hint: check the timestamp of the 2nd quote. Do you mean it is literally the only time LM EVER mentioned Umasi? I assumed you meant in this game. Don't condescend to me marv. It's unbecoming. I won't condescend if you don't assume I'm being an ass when I'm not known for being dumb like that Yes, I mean it's literally the only time ever. Lone has played two towngames, of which Umasi was in one, and that quote (and the nested one inside it) were the only times he mentioned Umasi. And the mentions were "i kinda think maybe he's scum or maybe this other player, i guess umasi is mafia". Do you understand now why I have my eyebrows massively raised at his contention that he's massively biased against Umasi? I do , and he should probably explain that---it may have something to do with the fact that Umasi (I THINK it was Umasi) had at that point only played scum in all of his newbie games or something, and that was ingrained into his reads of Umasi somehow? | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:14 geript wrote: Ok I'm back. I've been keeping up reading but not much else. People I think are town for various reasons: Koshi Mocsta Yamato Marv Rayn People I'm happy to see lynched DarthPunk--Obv scum Tofu--hella weird game, I'm leaning towards scum over super butthurt Vayne--GTFO 2 posts not even attempting to play the game. If I were a host I'd modkill him and ask for a ban for not even trying to play WoS--I don't see him really taking any sort of responsibility in this game and that's something I associate with his town play and something I caught onto in his last game (3P) I'd be happy with a lynch there. Plus, he hasn't been bitching about the complete lurkage or really trying to push me either direction. Would shoot after DP. Complete Lurker List Xzavier Cephiro Zenatsu gumshoe Onegu I'm betting that there's 2-3 scum in this list so the "safe lynch" would be among these guys as I'm mostly ok with everyone's posting. People I want to see more out of: Pandain--Just crazy shit left and right; feels like he's disinterested which makes far more sense from a scum perspective right now Chairman--All I see is a mental struggle in what/how to post but that's something I expect. Need more thought process. Lol I'm impressed---I've actually been holding back regarding lurker bitching this game because people tend to call me out for it for dumbass reasons. Suffice it to say I'm still plenty pissed we're going to have like 5 modkills, but outside of those the lurk isn't THAT bad. If you look through my filter though I did make a post on what I feel should be done with lurkers. Why is DP obvscum, G-ript? And since DP refused to do it, do you mind looking at my analysis of FT's first post and telling me what you think? | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:21 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 08:16 geript wrote: On September 22 2013 13:15 Mattchew wrote: I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Oh yah, this is why. There's no way to really know how many fucks a player gives unless you know his alignment. This just seems like a really weird statement from a town perspective as a 1 of in the middle of things. No, he's basing this on our VOICE MAFIA games, in which it was explained to him that I give zero fucks as any alignment. I have stated that I don't find a great deal of correlation between VOICE MAFIA play and forum mafia play though aside from certain cases though (kush), but I don't think Mattchew knows my stance on that. I do remember reading this and thinking, 'Wait, is he really reading me based on the two VM games we played together?' I tend to give more fucks in forum mafia though the more I play, the fewer fucks I give. Not in my opinion. How I see it is like me you care but don't want to. Can you rewrite that so it's understandable by someone who isn't living in your head? | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote: Marv, how do you feel about hanging an asshole aussie? You know, for the record DP comes across to me as much more of an asshole this game than Mocsta. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:28 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 08:27 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote: Marv, how do you feel about hanging an asshole aussie? You know, for the record DP comes across to me as much more of an asshole this game than Mocsta. You've already established that you're not reading the game very closely, it's okay. I have? Please explain where. I don't enjoy being dismissed yamato. I'm not going to sheep you just because you're in the 'whipping the town into a frenzy' stage of pushing a lynch. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:41 geript wrote: Ok, well if there aren't any specific questions for me I'm going to go study Really Geript? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=81#1615 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=81#1612 | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:44 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 08:21 geript wrote: On September 23 2013 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 08:16 geript wrote: On September 22 2013 13:15 Mattchew wrote: I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Oh yah, this is why. There's no way to really know how many fucks a player gives unless you know his alignment. This just seems like a really weird statement from a town perspective as a 1 of in the middle of things. No, he's basing this on our VOICE MAFIA games, in which it was explained to him that I give zero fucks as any alignment. I have stated that I don't find a great deal of correlation between VOICE MAFIA play and forum mafia play though aside from certain cases though (kush), but I don't think Mattchew knows my stance on that. I do remember reading this and thinking, 'Wait, is he really reading me based on the two VM games we played together?' I tend to give more fucks in forum mafia though the more I play, the fewer fucks I give. Not in my opinion. How I see it is like me you care but don't want to. Can you rewrite that so it's understandable by someone who isn't living in your head? It's pretty simple. I don't care about the games I play in, I just don't want to have to care about the games I play in. I think you're the same way. No that's not true. It honestly depends on the game for me. This one I certainly do care about. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:50 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Why is DP obvscum, G-ript? And since DP refused to do it, do you mind looking at my analysis of FT's first post and telling me what you think? I've already explained that. I don't understand how anyone reads him as trying to move the game forward and there's lots of shit that he's been doing nothing with. All of the "town reads" on him make 0 sense to me whatsoever. Really though it's not a big issue because he's dead come D2 period. As for FT post, I didn't hate it. But I think FT is an awful player because he doesn't reassess any situation in the dynamics of how the game is playing out. For example when he refused to admit that fakeclaiming Det. was bad because it flat out allowed Onegu or Koshi or whoever to not be suspected as scum Vig. You need to reassess situations as it's moving forward and information comes out. The other problem with FT is that I think he's so awful that he can never ever de-tunnel under any situation. As for the caring thing. I'm a player who cares about winning and taking responsibility and shit; but I don't want to be a player to who cares / gives a fuck about the game. I want this to be fun and relaxing and most of the time it's neither. I think you're the same way. You think FT is awful but you think DP is scum, so is he right? And what about what Marv just said? (and in regards to the 'gives-a-fuck'-ness, again, depends on the game. If you're basing it on Bluelightz then yeah, that game was shit, we both cared, didn't want to and it didn't matter. I would say for the most part though I do care about the outcome of a game and do try---I'm not sure where you get the fact that I don't. This isn't exactly topic/game-relevant in my opinion though so mabes we talk in postgame.) | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:06 Koshi wrote: marv, you work so slow. I need to know who to vote for so I can go to bed. LoneMeow is still voting for himself. The guy must be depressed that he can't solve the game D1 or something. Chairman Ray. Could vote him. But would be kinda cruel if he gets misslynched D1 twice in a row lol. Mocsta: could vote. I have this urge to follow VA. Had it last time as well. Dnu what that is all about. FT, Sentinel: meh. Voting 0-posters is bad btw. Unless you got townreads on everybody it is only 1/5 scum. Also, there are plenty replacements. Good ones as well. I like the replacements way more than the people that will be replaced. On average. A lot. Marv is working slowly because he doesn't want to be the primary pusher of a lynch today, it seems. Maybe so it becomes more difficult for people like you to simply sit back and sheep? | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:13 marvellosity wrote: We're not voting a zero-poster. And yes, Koshi, I'm working slowly :/ I'm trying to get myself into the mindset of town-Tofu for that post I talked about. What geript said about FT being kinda crazy (I wouldn't really say bad) with how he views/approaches things sometimes is weighing on me a bit. I'm nowhere near done reading, but I still think LM is a decent lynch; I know people are reading his martyring as a towntell, but usually when townies martyr they stick around to vent their martyryness (aw yea) on people, whereas LM just peaced out. Say you're a newbie townie who feels out of his depth a little in a large game full of regulars and loud posters - fine, maybe it's a little scary, but is it really as desperate as LM is coming across? Is the situation that bad? ugh I would be more inclined to look with disfavour upon FT's exit from the thread than LM's. The whole thing with the situation not being that bad....as a newbie if you have people suspecting you and/or voting you at any time it's scary/looks bad. You're right about him not choosing to stick around and continuing to try to work it out, but again I think FT is much worse in that regard, and I know that FT is beyond newbie at this point. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:16 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 09:15 marvellosity wrote: geript, there's no need to be that harsh. Srsly man. Call me biased, but I'm not going to go all soft and nice on someone who called me an inbred retard. LOL Yeah honestly.....I'm not even sure why he did that.... | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:26 marvellosity wrote: Sidenote: I am troubled by VE's absence Agreed. About FT: It's like FT said. He tries to make up analyses of DP and Geript which are seemingly based on absolutely nothing. On September 22 2013 17:32 FirmTofu wrote: Just going to post my thoughts as I read. (On page 31) Mr. DP is being extremely defensive. Instead of actively hunting scum, he's running around pouring water on the fire enveloping him. This is what I don't like. Town DP is someone who reads the read carefully, deliberately, and cautiously. His accusations are usually well reasoned and well timed. This is precisely why he is always a good NK for scum and has a penchant for dying early in most games. In this game, DP is entirely different. Like, how the fuck does he know this? If he read DP's previous games like he said he'd realize it's not even true. DP constantly goes nuts when people accuse him; he even pointed it out himself this game. He makes an interesting point where he says that this game nobody is scared of DP---I wonder if that is true. Normally DP looks really good really early but this time he has a lot of contentious thoughts regarding his alignment and hasn't done a great deal to relieve himself of them aside from aggressively attempting to take down his attackers or stating to the thread that he will be ignoring them. Now he gets insulting for no reason---where does this attitude come from and why? I've never seen FT act like this: On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote: I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. On September 22 2013 18:11 FirmTofu wrote: (Page 35) I don't know if OO is joking with some of his posts or he actually believes the shit he's spewing. Judgement is being reserved. On September 22 2013 18:32 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 18:27 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 17:52 Mocsta wrote: That doesnt make him scummy FT. I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. So you are posting useless shit casting me in a scummy light and then are very clearly NOT calling me scum. What the fuck is it with bad players attacking me this game. You need to get off your high horse and step back for a minute. I refuse to indulge you and these ad hominem attacks. Maybe my meta argument is bullshit. Maybe I am completely wrong. That doesn't mean you wave your dick around like you rule the thread and every player is a piece of shit compared to you. If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it. I will not, however, humor you if you continue to waste my time in this manner. ^^That one I kinda liked lol, 'cause he's right. On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. This appears to me like a flat-out lie. Could be either alignment caught in a lie though---I have lied as town to dispel suspicions because it's often easier than trying to explain that you were just being dumb, especially to someone tenacious like Axlegreaser, for example. Then we have his exit: On September 22 2013 19:14 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 19:13 Mocsta wrote: On September 22 2013 19:11 FirmTofu wrote: OK, are you going to lay down a vote.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 19:09 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + OK, lets make this relevant.On September 22 2013 19:07 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 19:00 Mocsta wrote: On September 22 2013 18:51 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I know this isn't addressed to me, but I would like to take a moment to address it. I hope you don't mind. As scum, I would use DP as a tool. I know DP is respected in this community and has the ability to sway lynches in his direction regardless of alignment. Assuming DP is town and I am scum, I would latch on to DP and win his trust. Then, I would exchange reads about other players and slowly convince him to vote whoever I wanted him to vote, essentially leading him astray. As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment. You can see which path I chose to take. Yeah dunno.. your posting is really reading forced to me. That alone doesn't make you scum. I can't follow the above though, regardless of forced/non-forced consciousness... its a lot of talk. As scum I would manipulate player X to be my puppet.. etc etc Very few scum players have that skillset to proactively choose a player to influence; most adapt to the situation as it unfolds. So the above reads as total bullshit to me. Fair enough. I'll give you an example. An extremely relevant one at that. VE has basically been defending DP the entire game. DP, naturally, seems to have no qualms with VE. In fact, I'm fairly sure DP thinks VE is town. Assuming this is true, we must conclude that DP will give VE's opinion more weight compared to the average player in this thread. After all, VE is his town read and town are usually more reliable than scum. If VE is able to convince DP to change his vote on ANYONE, he has already demonstrated that his buddying allowed him to influence DP's vote. In the event that VE is scum, VE can use DP as the voice for his vote, allowing DP to take the brunt of the blame when things go wrong. DP ?might? think VE is town. What does FT think VE is? I think it's fairly obvious. I think VE is scum. Or is there someone else scummier? I don't like voting when there is still information to read. While VE is my strongest scum read at page 40, he may not be at page 58. On September 22 2013 19:22 FirmTofu wrote: @DP As much as I would love to continue to argue with you, I refuse to. I'm not going to spam the thread with an argument between (probably) two townies that will serve no purpose in aiding our quest to find scum. If you have qualms about me, we can address them at a later date. I'm enjoying this day 1. This is new. I will be sleeping now. Don't bother asking me anything until tomorrow. This looks like he just gave up. Again, the issue is it's possible as scum OR town. Arguing with people becomes exhausting as town, especially if we believe that FT is telling the truth about his own beliefs. Obvious reasons for ditching here as scum, if he is. I think I'm still overall null with a slight scum-lean on him just because much of what he has done is possible from either alignment. I don't think his attack on DP is as suicidal as Geript's though (which is why I have my townread on geript) because it is my belief that whereas Geript knows exactly what he is doing and why, FT doesn't when attacking DP, so the scum possibility is there. Thoughts, Marv? | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:39 marvellosity wrote: By the way, Mocsta made me look at Chairman again, although I don't really have much to say about Mocsta's case itself (it could just be bad town). What makes me think Ray might flip mafia is: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 10:24 Chairman Ray wrote: On September 22 2013 10:08 Stutters695 wrote: On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote: Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute. This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience. Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible. So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well. How exactly do you plan on making things harder for scum only in the last hour? Everything from how people vote, when people vote, and vote switches are able to give strong reads. Like for example, near the end if the votes are leading 6 on person A and 5 on person B, and my vote is currently on person A, and my vote is currently on A. If I switch my vote from A to B, and then in response someone switches their vote from B to A, and then A flips town, that really sets off a red flag for that guy. It also gives a really good target for whoever is cop, because it has the potential to reveal two scum. There are probably a lot of ways we can force scum to make bigger pushes to save each other with some creativity. I only have one vote, but on the first day, I will use that vote to scumhunt and get as much information as possible instead of keeping my vote on the scummiest player early on and leaving it there. It really doesn't feel like Ray has done this at all (I mean obviously he hasn't with his vote) - he hasn't tried to gain information from people either. Town will usually at least try to follow through with their plan. Look at this post: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 16:24 Chairman Ray wrote: On September 22 2013 15:41 Mocsta wrote: On September 22 2013 14:41 Chairman Ray wrote: Thats great and all, but, there hasn't been a flip to analyse, let alone a mislynch.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 14:28 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + You're conflicting me btw.On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute. This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience. Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible. So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well. What I want to know is: Why are you still trying to play "trap the scum" after it backfired so badly in your last game? I thought we coached this out of you? I'm not playing the scum trap like I did last game. I'm not withholding anything, posting fake reads, or doing anything that's not completely genuine. However I do believe that analyzing a mislynch post-mortem isn't that productive and there's a lot that each town player can accomplish during the last hour, so that in the event of a mislynch, we have the information we need to narrow scum possibilities down to as few people as possible, and also to give the cop more productive reads as well. I think it would be tragic for the person lynched to lead in votes by a huge margin without much of a struggle, and having him flip town. That would tell us nothing coming into the second day. Whose scummiest on your radar; and why? I have played past games with only a few of the players here. Here are my reads on then so far: Coagulation - He was town last time I played with him. Injected a lot of one liners to get discussion going, but never really participated in the discussions themselves. He's playing pretty similarly this game. Umasi - He was mafia last time I played with him. He was very active and capitalized the discussion from the start. Took a good degree of control over the town. He's a lot more mellow this game around. I filtered through posts, and the person who looks the scummiest to me right now is stutters. He's made only a few posts so far. Every post he's made is a poke at kush, but his very last post was questioning me on how I would try to play out the last hour to make things harder for scum. It seems that out of all these pages of posts, and all these players, he's only interested in getting people onto kush and learning my scum catching plan. That seems like a scum agenda to me. If it was you who asked me that question, I wouldn't mind it since you've been asking everyone questions about a lot of things. However stutters very selectively asking me that question instead of the countless other things that have been going on in this thread really screams scum to me. He's asked who's scummiest, and gives two generic townreads. Now, Stutters is pinging his scumdar, fine. But is he using his vote as promised? Or, further, is he trying to get more information out of Stutters to better his read? What information is Ray pulling from this game like he said he planned to on Day 1? He never mentions Stutters again. It all reads to me like newbie with grand plans but no real idea as to how voting/vote analysis works in a game like this and maybe ditched his grand plans halfway through. The people who think Ray is scum----do you REALLY think he is as calculating as to give off newbie vibes in the odd ways he has just to throw people off? There are much 'cleaner' ways to look newbie. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:44 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 09:26 marvellosity wrote: Sidenote: I am troubled by VE's absence Agreed. About FT: It's like FT said. He tries to make up analyses of DP and Geript which are seemingly based on absolutely nothing. On September 22 2013 17:32 FirmTofu wrote: Just going to post my thoughts as I read. (On page 31) Mr. DP is being extremely defensive. Instead of actively hunting scum, he's running around pouring water on the fire enveloping him. This is what I don't like. Town DP is someone who reads the read carefully, deliberately, and cautiously. His accusations are usually well reasoned and well timed. This is precisely why he is always a good NK for scum and has a penchant for dying early in most games. In this game, DP is entirely different. Like, how the fuck does he know this? If he read DP's previous games like he said he'd realize it's not even true. DP constantly goes nuts when people accuse him; he even pointed it out himself this game. He makes an interesting point where he says that this game nobody is scared of DP---I wonder if that is true. Normally DP looks really good really early but this time he has a lot of contentious thoughts regarding his alignment and hasn't done a great deal to relieve himself of them aside from aggressively attempting to take down his attackers or stating to the thread that he will be ignoring them. Now he gets insulting for no reason---where does this attitude come from and why? I've never seen FT act like this: On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 17:52 Mocsta wrote: That doesnt make him scummy FT. I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. On September 22 2013 18:11 FirmTofu wrote: (Page 35) I don't know if OO is joking with some of his posts or he actually believes the shit he's spewing. Judgement is being reserved. On September 22 2013 18:32 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:27 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 17:52 Mocsta wrote: That doesnt make him scummy FT. I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. So you are posting useless shit casting me in a scummy light and then are very clearly NOT calling me scum. What the fuck is it with bad players attacking me this game. You need to get off your high horse and step back for a minute. I refuse to indulge you and these ad hominem attacks. Maybe my meta argument is bullshit. Maybe I am completely wrong. That doesn't mean you wave your dick around like you rule the thread and every player is a piece of shit compared to you. If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it. I will not, however, humor you if you continue to waste my time in this manner. ^^That one I kinda liked lol, 'cause he's right. On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. This appears to me like a flat-out lie. Could be either alignment caught in a lie though---I have lied as town to dispel suspicions because it's often easier than trying to explain that you were just being dumb, especially to someone tenacious like Axlegreaser, for example. Then we have his exit: On September 22 2013 19:14 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 19:13 Mocsta wrote: On September 22 2013 19:11 FirmTofu wrote: OK, are you going to lay down a vote.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 19:09 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + OK, lets make this relevant.On September 22 2013 19:07 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 19:00 Mocsta wrote: On September 22 2013 18:51 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I know this isn't addressed to me, but I would like to take a moment to address it. I hope you don't mind. As scum, I would use DP as a tool. I know DP is respected in this community and has the ability to sway lynches in his direction regardless of alignment. Assuming DP is town and I am scum, I would latch on to DP and win his trust. Then, I would exchange reads about other players and slowly convince him to vote whoever I wanted him to vote, essentially leading him astray. As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment. You can see which path I chose to take. Yeah dunno.. your posting is really reading forced to me. That alone doesn't make you scum. I can't follow the above though, regardless of forced/non-forced consciousness... its a lot of talk. As scum I would manipulate player X to be my puppet.. etc etc Very few scum players have that skillset to proactively choose a player to influence; most adapt to the situation as it unfolds. So the above reads as total bullshit to me. Fair enough. I'll give you an example. An extremely relevant one at that. VE has basically been defending DP the entire game. DP, naturally, seems to have no qualms with VE. In fact, I'm fairly sure DP thinks VE is town. Assuming this is true, we must conclude that DP will give VE's opinion more weight compared to the average player in this thread. After all, VE is his town read and town are usually more reliable than scum. If VE is able to convince DP to change his vote on ANYONE, he has already demonstrated that his buddying allowed him to influence DP's vote. In the event that VE is scum, VE can use DP as the voice for his vote, allowing DP to take the brunt of the blame when things go wrong. DP ?might? think VE is town. What does FT think VE is? I think it's fairly obvious. I think VE is scum. Or is there someone else scummier? I don't like voting when there is still information to read. While VE is my strongest scum read at page 40, he may not be at page 58. On September 22 2013 19:22 FirmTofu wrote: @DP As much as I would love to continue to argue with you, I refuse to. I'm not going to spam the thread with an argument between (probably) two townies that will serve no purpose in aiding our quest to find scum. If you have qualms about me, we can address them at a later date. I'm enjoying this day 1. This is new. I will be sleeping now. Don't bother asking me anything until tomorrow. This looks like he just gave up. Again, the issue is it's possible as scum OR town. Arguing with people becomes exhausting as town, especially if we believe that FT is telling the truth about his own beliefs. Obvious reasons for ditching here as scum, if he is. I think I'm still overall null with a slight scum-lean on him just because much of what he has done is possible from either alignment. I don't think his attack on DP is as suicidal as Geript's though (which is why I have my townread on geript) because it is my belief that whereas Geript knows exactly what he is doing and why, FT doesn't when attacking DP, so the scum possibility is there. Thoughts, Marv? Honestly I have very little to add to your whole analysis because I agree on all of it. just because much of what he has done is possible from either alignment. This is the nub of it, isn't it. How do we apportion the likelihood of this behaviour to scum/town. Is talking bullcrap about how DP usually plays coming from a townie just saying things, or mafia fabricating? Is his about-turn on DP scum trying to get out of a situation they dumbly got themselves into, or town just changing their mind weirdly? As it stands I don't think I'd be unhappy with a FT lynch, but I'm not sure how confident I'd be on it. My issue is I don't think I like any of the other candidates enough today to vote for them. 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On September 23 2013 09:50 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Look at the people voting for Sentinel though....ugh I don't necessarily dislike any of them. Umasi I don't mind, but Pandain and Coag? How long ago were those votes dumped and forgotten? | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 09:50 yamato77 wrote: On September 23 2013 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Look at the people voting for Sentinel though....ugh I don't necessarily dislike any of them. Umasi I don't mind, but Pandain and Coag? How long ago were those votes dumped and forgotten? Hmm actually not that long ago. I guess it's because I don't remember what Pandain has even done that game and Coag is Coag to me. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Wave, give me the town-Ray case if you please? I don't like this marv. I'm not confident enough to try and push FT as THE lynch (and as such eliminate Ray from your list) today. It just appears to me as the best of the current options I'm aware of. For all I know you could be ready to sheep anything I say and blame me later and I don't know if I'm ok with that yet. Your 'slowgame' in conjunction with this request worries me. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:55 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + So im null. and LM/CR are town. OK.On September 23 2013 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 09:44 marvellosity wrote: On September 23 2013 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 09:26 marvellosity wrote: Sidenote: I am troubled by VE's absence Agreed. About FT: It's like FT said. He tries to make up analyses of DP and Geript which are seemingly based on absolutely nothing. On September 22 2013 17:32 FirmTofu wrote: Just going to post my thoughts as I read. (On page 31) Mr. DP is being extremely defensive. Instead of actively hunting scum, he's running around pouring water on the fire enveloping him. This is what I don't like. Town DP is someone who reads the read carefully, deliberately, and cautiously. His accusations are usually well reasoned and well timed. This is precisely why he is always a good NK for scum and has a penchant for dying early in most games. In this game, DP is entirely different. Like, how the fuck does he know this? If he read DP's previous games like he said he'd realize it's not even true. DP constantly goes nuts when people accuse him; he even pointed it out himself this game. He makes an interesting point where he says that this game nobody is scared of DP---I wonder if that is true. Normally DP looks really good really early but this time he has a lot of contentious thoughts regarding his alignment and hasn't done a great deal to relieve himself of them aside from aggressively attempting to take down his attackers or stating to the thread that he will be ignoring them. Now he gets insulting for no reason---where does this attitude come from and why? I've never seen FT act like this: On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 17:52 Mocsta wrote: That doesnt make him scummy FT. I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. On September 22 2013 18:11 FirmTofu wrote: (Page 35) I don't know if OO is joking with some of his posts or he actually believes the shit he's spewing. Judgement is being reserved. On September 22 2013 18:32 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:27 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 17:52 Mocsta wrote: That doesnt make him scummy FT. I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. So you are posting useless shit casting me in a scummy light and then are very clearly NOT calling me scum. What the fuck is it with bad players attacking me this game. You need to get off your high horse and step back for a minute. I refuse to indulge you and these ad hominem attacks. Maybe my meta argument is bullshit. Maybe I am completely wrong. That doesn't mean you wave your dick around like you rule the thread and every player is a piece of shit compared to you. If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it. I will not, however, humor you if you continue to waste my time in this manner. ^^That one I kinda liked lol, 'cause he's right. On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. This appears to me like a flat-out lie. Could be either alignment caught in a lie though---I have lied as town to dispel suspicions because it's often easier than trying to explain that you were just being dumb, especially to someone tenacious like Axlegreaser, for example. Then we have his exit: On September 22 2013 19:14 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 19:13 Mocsta wrote: On September 22 2013 19:11 FirmTofu wrote: OK, are you going to lay down a vote.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 19:09 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + OK, lets make this relevant.On September 22 2013 19:07 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 19:00 Mocsta wrote: On September 22 2013 18:51 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I know this isn't addressed to me, but I would like to take a moment to address it. I hope you don't mind. As scum, I would use DP as a tool. I know DP is respected in this community and has the ability to sway lynches in his direction regardless of alignment. Assuming DP is town and I am scum, I would latch on to DP and win his trust. Then, I would exchange reads about other players and slowly convince him to vote whoever I wanted him to vote, essentially leading him astray. As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment. You can see which path I chose to take. Yeah dunno.. your posting is really reading forced to me. That alone doesn't make you scum. I can't follow the above though, regardless of forced/non-forced consciousness... its a lot of talk. As scum I would manipulate player X to be my puppet.. etc etc Very few scum players have that skillset to proactively choose a player to influence; most adapt to the situation as it unfolds. So the above reads as total bullshit to me. Fair enough. I'll give you an example. An extremely relevant one at that. VE has basically been defending DP the entire game. DP, naturally, seems to have no qualms with VE. In fact, I'm fairly sure DP thinks VE is town. Assuming this is true, we must conclude that DP will give VE's opinion more weight compared to the average player in this thread. After all, VE is his town read and town are usually more reliable than scum. If VE is able to convince DP to change his vote on ANYONE, he has already demonstrated that his buddying allowed him to influence DP's vote. In the event that VE is scum, VE can use DP as the voice for his vote, allowing DP to take the brunt of the blame when things go wrong. DP ?might? think VE is town. What does FT think VE is? I think it's fairly obvious. I think VE is scum. Or is there someone else scummier? I don't like voting when there is still information to read. While VE is my strongest scum read at page 40, he may not be at page 58. On September 22 2013 19:22 FirmTofu wrote: @DP As much as I would love to continue to argue with you, I refuse to. I'm not going to spam the thread with an argument between (probably) two townies that will serve no purpose in aiding our quest to find scum. If you have qualms about me, we can address them at a later date. I'm enjoying this day 1. This is new. I will be sleeping now. Don't bother asking me anything until tomorrow. This looks like he just gave up. Again, the issue is it's possible as scum OR town. Arguing with people becomes exhausting as town, especially if we believe that FT is telling the truth about his own beliefs. Obvious reasons for ditching here as scum, if he is. I think I'm still overall null with a slight scum-lean on him just because much of what he has done is possible from either alignment. I don't think his attack on DP is as suicidal as Geript's though (which is why I have my townread on geript) because it is my belief that whereas Geript knows exactly what he is doing and why, FT doesn't when attacking DP, so the scum possibility is there. Thoughts, Marv? Honestly I have very little to add to your whole analysis because I agree on all of it. just because much of what he has done is possible from either alignment. This is the nub of it, isn't it. How do we apportion the likelihood of this behaviour to scum/town. Is talking bullcrap about how DP usually plays coming from a townie just saying things, or mafia fabricating? Is his about-turn on DP scum trying to get out of a situation they dumbly got themselves into, or town just changing their mind weirdly? As it stands I don't think I'd be unhappy with a FT lynch, but I'm not sure how confident I'd be on it. My issue is I don't think I like any of the other candidates enough today to vote for them. If I'm 55/45 on FT that's better than the...nothing I get from Mocsta or townreads I get from Ray and LM. Whats the read on VE? + Show Spoiler + Dude, are you still butthurt I creamed you in your first newbie? Since then, you always complain you can't read me. jeez. P.S. its pretty simple. If im suspicious of everyone, Im usually town. If im suspicous of one or two ppl and then relentlessly tunnel until proven wrong.. then im usually scum.. it really is that simple Is this an Aussie thing to tell people about how they can or can't read you based on met in the current game you're playing with them? lol Mocsta I'm not butthurt, I've honestly just never been able to read you. I did mean to have a look at VE but I got sidetracked. The heuristic usually goes lazy VE = scum VE----is that what we're dealing with here? | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:58 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Wave, give me the town-Ray case if you please? I don't like this marv. I'm not confident enough to try and push FT as THE lynch (and as such eliminate Ray from your list) today. It just appears to me as the best of the current options I'm aware of. For all I know you could be ready to sheep anything I say and blame me later and I don't know if I'm ok with that yet. Your 'slowgame' in conjunction with this request worries me. You can direct me back to this post where I'm telling you that you can lynch me if I do that later in the game. I just want your view expressed lucidly so I can judge it against what's become a mafia-read on Ray for me. Heh it's kinda funny...usually our little conversations go the way they do because I'm leading things and am scum/3P but now I'm on the other side and I'm scurrrred. I want to look into VE first; I'll get back to Ray if I have time since I'm pretty sure I won't be voting him (Ray) today. | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote: This is annoying though. Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote: This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience. Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote: I still disagree with your analysis on my first post. You may have an extensive experience, but that doesn't mean you are correct. In this case, you definitely do have a misread on me, but I hope that we can resolve that now instead of post game. At the same time, I made a lot of rookie mistakes that caused you to have such a strong scumread on me. I would like to win this game so if there's any way that I could make myself easier to read for you and everyone else here, feel free to say it. If I could improve now, that may mean the difference between a win and a loss. Otherwise I'll probably be seeking your help postgame. Chairman Ray, what does newbie lenience mean to you? | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote: On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote: Chairman Ray, not Rayn. Yes, I think I can get him lynched. Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second. I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting. Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me. Stuff like this is also bugging me. Read what I've bolded. The natural reaction to the accusation against him on his first post is "well i'm town, so clearly townies make first posts like that". Instead he's trying to argue that scum or town could make it, just making it a generic non-alignment indicative possibility, rather than proclaiming his towniness as a clear reason townies could make his opening post. It's not the only time he talks about reads on him in this way either I wish I could PM you right now. | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, this is where I stand: LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it? No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior. This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep. ##Vote: FirmTofu This actually phrases it really well. I want to talk to Ray but until then marv, put it this way: are you expecting Ray to play a certain way? | ||
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Haven't finished with VE. I guess voting FT for now. ##Vote: Firmtofu | ||
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Bad fucking play, but town. | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: But why would he regress? I was referring to Stutters by bad fucking play with his last post. | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 10:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: But why would he regress? I was referring to Stutters by bad fucking play with his last post. Oh whoops. Congrats on arbiter Aw shit. I want my Archon back | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:48 Chairman Ray wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 10:34 marvellosity wrote: On September 22 2013 16:24 Chairman Ray wrote: I filtered through posts, and the person who looks the scummiest to me right now is stutters. He's made only a few posts so far. Every post he's made is a poke at kush, but his very last post was questioning me on how I would try to play out the last hour to make things harder for scum. It seems that out of all these pages of posts, and all these players, he's only interested in getting people onto kush and learning my scum catching plan. That seems like a scum agenda to me. If it was you who asked me that question, I wouldn't mind it since you've been asking everyone questions about a lot of things. However stutters very selectively asking me that question instead of the countless other things that have been going on in this thread really screams scum to me. He never votes this or revisits this. ##Vote: Chairman Ray Overall there's just too much stuff that's added up against him. Am I totally confident? No, but he's my best bet for mafia right now. I actually did want to follow up on it, but given that he's not falling for the easy lynch train on me, the little time I have is focused on better targets. Come on. Is this what scum does as he's about to go down? This is consistent with what people were saying about Ray setting up dumb traps. | ||
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If you flip town it would be helpful to know who to look into. | ||
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I'm likely to push FT because he's the only very slighty scumread I have. | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:57 Chairman Ray wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 10:49 Mocsta wrote: Ray, please address my comments (assuming you think they are worthy of a rebuttle) I agree that there are some little inconsistencies with my play this game and my play last game. Last game I learned that spending a lot of time looking into every detail of every post is a pretty big waste, so I haven't done that this game, especially since I have a lot less time this mafia game and there's a lot more posts. My inconsistencies are a result of me skimming over posts, and spending nearly 100% of my time having to defend myself and having no time scumhunting. As for my vote on LM. I thought at the time he was possible mafia, but my pressure and vote on him was just to extract information. I didn't take my vote off him because I was pressured. I took it off because he left and there's no more information to be gained. Is there anything else I should address? I might have missed a bunch. On September 23 2013 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Ray, we need scumreads, now. If you flip town it would be helpful to know who to look into. | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 10:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I haven't read enough into Sentinel to know one way or the other. I'm likely to push FT because he's the only very slighty scumread I have. OK, i can understand that choice of FT vs someone like Koshi. -> Given how you have campaigned FT. Are you giving LoneMeow a town read bsaed on the martyr? Does the lack of return to the thread since then impact the read? Again as far as disappearance goes FT's looks worse than LM's to me. I haven't read into Koshi. | ||
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Why are there so many people on him as throwaways? | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:00 Chairman Ray wrote: Wow, time is up. I am voting FT out of self preservation since he has a chance of flipping red and I dont Don't worry, I will address everything If it's deadline then you're dead regardless I think. | ||
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Ray, GG but next time please give people reads when they ask for them, and try to maybe analyze your playstyle and figure out what it is you're doing that makes people think you're scummy. ughhhhhhhh | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:44 DarthPunk wrote: Wait. WTF? I thought I had just over two hours still? And this is why I always read the very last page of the thread first before going back and catching up. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:43 yamato77 wrote: VE is also likely mafia Agreed. I'd like to know how many scum were on Ray though---I find it very difficult to believe that it was all town in its entirety who refused to believe that Ray's posting had to have come from scum. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:46 Mocsta wrote: Um.. DP is right.. Hes not actually captured in this... BUT. I think Ray still gets lynched, cos he get 6 first? would have to do a count-by-count to confirm. Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 11:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Here's a votecount for you cats kushm4sta (0): VisceraEyes (2): DarthPunk (1): geript, geript (0): Pandain (0): WaveofShadow (0): Coagulation (0): Mocsta (2): LoneMeow (4): VayneAuthority (1): Stutters695 (0): [UoN]Sentinel (3): Koshi (0): Chairman Ray (6): yamato77, yamato77 (1): Umasi (0): FirmTofu (5): Koshi, justanothertownie, WaveofShadow, Mocsta, Chairman Ray Tough shake for Chairman Ray. He's fish food in Um actually..... the last person to vote for either Ray or Ft was Geript, so FT should have had 6 first with DP's vote. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:48 DarthPunk wrote: NO FT HAD 6 FIRST AND THE HOSTS FLIPPED THE WRONG PLAYER And Ray posts a paragraph 'goodbye' post...what a clusterfuck. | ||
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That for me is the only thing that would make me think Geript is scum atm. Mocsta is Geript scum for another reason? | ||
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High content/quality posters should not be vigged. I am not concerned about Geript atm. | ||
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On September 23 2013 14:19 Umasi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 14:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I would like us to consolidate on probable vig targets by tomorrow afternoon. High content/quality posters should not be vigged. I am not concerned about Geript atm. what do you mean probable? Who we eventually decide needs to be shot. Also probable in that I imagine the list may be longer than the number of vigs we have. | ||
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I'll restate my original idea---if there are flaws in it please let me know. Basically we come up with a list of targets that should be shot into tonight. If anyone dies outside of those targets we know they are scum kills. If scum chooses to fuck with us and shoot into our targets then they are doing our job for us. The above may seem fairly obvious but with protects going out and 'lone gunmen' acting of their own accord it's possible that we may have different than the assumed number of scum NKs so we don't want any shots getting 'lost.' | ||
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On September 23 2013 14:36 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 14:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for triple post. I'll restate my original idea---if there are flaws in it please let me know. Basically we come up with a list of targets that should be shot into tonight. If anyone dies outside of those targets we know they are scum kills. If scum chooses to fuck with us and shoot into our targets then they are doing our job for us. The above may seem fairly obvious but with protects going out and 'lone gunmen' acting of their own accord it's possible that we may have different than the assumed number of scum NKs so we don't want any shots getting 'lost.' You want to create a list of people that scum shouldn't kill? Isn't that just helping scum? Explain how. | ||
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On September 23 2013 14:45 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 14:42 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 14:36 FirmTofu wrote: On September 23 2013 14:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for triple post. I'll restate my original idea---if there are flaws in it please let me know. Basically we come up with a list of targets that should be shot into tonight. If anyone dies outside of those targets we know they are scum kills. If scum chooses to fuck with us and shoot into our targets then they are doing our job for us. The above may seem fairly obvious but with protects going out and 'lone gunmen' acting of their own accord it's possible that we may have different than the assumed number of scum NKs so we don't want any shots getting 'lost.' You want to create a list of people that scum shouldn't kill? Isn't that just helping scum? Explain how. You create a list of vig targets, right? Scum now have a list of town players that they shouldn't kill. They will deliberately avoid these players because they do not want to waste a night kill shooting into a possible vig target. It makes their job to decide a NK a lot easier. Have you ever played scum, FT? Scum always know who they're going to kill. If I were scum this game, I know who I'd kill. It's not going to be anyone on our list, because we wouldn't be shooting these people if they were useful members of the town. Scum wants to shoot useful members of the town. EVEN IF we were somehow helping them by leading them towards good targets, we have an unknown number of protects. In fact, one could even argue that narrowing down their 'good shots' can be good for us because it forces them to shoot into a pool of people we will be protecting. | ||
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On September 23 2013 14:56 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 14:49 FirmTofu wrote: On September 23 2013 14:48 Mocsta wrote: Ft. Have u read the whole game yet? Not yet, I read slowly, forgive me. I am at page 50, though. Wave idea is born from how the thread and lynched played out. It's not a policy motive. I think its best if u catch up on the thread. Actually I came up with this way before the lynch. It is policy but obviously can be applied to deal with how the lynch played out. | ||
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On September 23 2013 15:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya actually plz someone shoot me tonight. I may not get a chance to get caught up satisfactorily, and enough of town wants me dead that frankly I don't want to waste a lynch on me. So ya, open season on VE. Tell your friends. What the shit is this. VE play the damn game. Goes for you too, LM, wherever you are. | ||
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On September 23 2013 15:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Well I intend to, but honestly I'm afraid I'm going to get lynched tomorrow and I really would rather town lynch scum. Obviously a vig shot would be better used on scum, but I think me dying to vig could be a net gain for town since the lynch is so much more important than NKs with regard to information gathering. Or, you know, you could actually play and help us find scum if you're actually town. Like, since when would a town VE have any trouble proving his towniness (in a game with no crazy roles or 3Ps and fakeclaiming is hella dumb ) | ||
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On September 23 2013 15:07 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 15:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Well I intend to, but honestly I'm afraid I'm going to get lynched tomorrow and I really would rather town lynch scum. Obviously a vig shot would be better used on scum, but I think me dying to vig could be a net gain for town since the lynch is so much more important than NKs with regard to information gathering. If it makes you feel any better, I'm upgrading you to null based on some of the stuff I've recently been reading. If you're town, get yo shit together and play the game. I giggled a little. Off to bed. Should be decently active during the day and then pre-Daypost. I want to hear what other people have to say about my plan. | ||
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On September 23 2013 21:43 yamato77 wrote: This Marv push from DP is like, the dumbest thing I've ever seen. DP almost HAS to be scum hamming it up. He could not be this butthurt as town, no way. K. I had to halt my readthrough to post about this. Fuck all of you because I brought this up at the beginning of the fucking game. I may also be a little butthurt because I'm not on Koshi's dumb-as-shit doclist. Marv is town. Continuing readthrough. | ||
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Like....I understand getting upset every so often about things that happen in here like lurkers/people getting modkilled, or insulting/out-of-line posting but DP you're getting pissed off over things that are actually legitimately part of every game. Maybe it is time for you to quit mafia. Almost done readthrough. | ||
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Another random though: CC is probs town---he's way too lazy as fuck to be scum. | ||
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On September 24 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote: Someone can shoot Vayne too. Too many people to shoot. No his posts are so funny. ^_^ but for real, shoot the shit out of him.. I'm really enjoying his posts this game, but yeah. He's definitely on the shot-list. | ||
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On September 24 2013 01:39 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 01:15 marvellosity wrote: geript, I'm curious you haven't commented on DP's whole ragequit thingy. I'm trying not to comment on it honestly. The last rage quit burned me pretty hard. eiuvbaltbvaliuvt You need to stop bringing up Bluelightz. It causes the bile to rise up from my gut and scorch my insides. | ||
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On September 24 2013 02:24 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 02:13 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 21:43 yamato77 wrote: This Marv push from DP is like, the dumbest thing I've ever seen. DP almost HAS to be scum hamming it up. He could not be this butthurt as town, no way. K. I had to halt my readthrough to post about this. Fuck all of you because I brought this up at the beginning of the fucking game. I may also be a little butthurt because I'm not on Koshi's dumb-as-shit doclist. Marv is town. Continuing readthrough. Whence this confidence, given your reservations yesterday, sir? Some stuff you said. | ||
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On September 24 2013 02:30 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 02:29 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 24 2013 02:24 marvellosity wrote: On September 24 2013 02:13 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 23 2013 21:43 yamato77 wrote: This Marv push from DP is like, the dumbest thing I've ever seen. DP almost HAS to be scum hamming it up. He could not be this butthurt as town, no way. K. I had to halt my readthrough to post about this. Fuck all of you because I brought this up at the beginning of the fucking game. I may also be a little butthurt because I'm not on Koshi's dumb-as-shit doclist. Marv is town. Continuing readthrough. Whence this confidence, given your reservations yesterday, sir? Some stuff you said. Elaborate please. Dun wanna. It's actually a kind of tell that's worked out really well for me lately on other people and I am aware that if I reveal it I'll get 100 explanations as to why it's wrong or make people hyper-aware of it. Don't you worry your pretty little head, marv. (I just wish I was as good and figuring out who is scum.) So better start coming up with dat viglist. | ||
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High priority - Superlurk, we get no info from them ever Risen Vayne () Cephiro Onegu???? (Apparently we're not supposed to shoot the replacements but I don't understand why they haven't even attempted to post yet.) Medium Priority - Useless but at least have something in their filters ***Lonemeow - I personally believe him to be town but I will understand why he needs to be shot. Otherwise he would be in high priority. Coag Mattchew Stutters Pandain Low Priority - (not a fan of what posting they've done/too hard to read) Kush Umasi JAT Zaragon There are enough high priority targets that none of the med/lower priority targets should be shot. The primary use of these shots should be to eliminate people from the game that are going to make it very difficult for us to win with at LYLO, which is true for any of the high priority types. Yes, they may be town players (sadly they likely are, as usually is with useless shits) but it will ultimately make the game easier for us to lynch scum and not have huge question marks sitting around all game. Again, thoughts/commentary/rebuttals are welcome. | ||
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On September 24 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote: Lol wtf is the point of all these detailed as Fuck vig lists I'd love to move you to the top due to personal bias but that probably isn't appropriate. | ||
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On September 24 2013 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote: Lol wtf is the point of all these detailed as Fuck vig lists I seriously hope you start playing decently on D2 aswell, as you are perfectly capable of doing so. See that's the thing. I think the ego boost he got from people riding his dick during/after Persona has now given him a free pass to play like shit in his mind. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time but no longer. His free pass has expired in my mind. | ||
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On September 24 2013 03:05 kushm4sta wrote: He'll no wos. You don't even know what you are talking about. See unlike I actually have shit going on in my life. And you think you are the shit because you cast games or something. News flash bra. That's not a real job lolwut? Alright keeping impending shitfest with you out of the thread. Suffice it to say you are very lucky I don't have a gun this game. And never do yet I have to put up with you like every game. | ||
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On September 24 2013 03:27 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote: Lol wtf is the point of all these detailed as Fuck vig lists It's so people can look active without actually doing anything. Yup I'm clearly guilty of that. | ||
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On September 24 2013 03:51 justanothertownie wrote: If I remember this correctly he switched when ray was clearly in the lead so maybe he wanted to distance himself from the still happening lynch of a townie? Are you looking for reasons to fit Mocsta's actions to your read of him? | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote: 1: DarthPunk 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: gumshoe 5: yamato77 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 9: Chairman Ray 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: Onegu 18: Zenatsu 19: [UoN]Sentinel 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote: Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours Thank you. On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote: 1: DarthPunk 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: gumshoe 5: yamato77 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 9: Chairman Ray 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: Onegu 18: Zenatsu 19: [UoN]Sentinel 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else. | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote: Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours Thank you. On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote: 1: DarthPunk 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: gumshoe 5: yamato77 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 9: Chairman Ray 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: Onegu 18: Zenatsu 19: [UoN]Sentinel 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else. Only if you start from the assumption that I'm scum. The list and its contents are for when that consideration is no longer an issue Wave. How and when will that no longer be an issue? Do you believe that you will be able to prove yourself as the day progresses? Because I look forward to that. As it stands atm I have you at 'having a bad game' or 'scum.' Both equally possible. I'm not assuming you're scum necessarily, VE, but I find it very hard to believe that a town VE's list is this.....'easy.' Of course it is entirely possible as well that all of the scum this game ARE contained within weak posters/lurkers, I just choose to remain skeptical of that at the current time. | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 24 2013 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote: On September 24 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote: Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours Thank you. On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote: 1: DarthPunk 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: gumshoe 5: yamato77 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 9: Chairman Ray 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: Onegu 18: Zenatsu 19: [UoN]Sentinel 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else. Only if you start from the assumption that I'm scum. The list and its contents are for when that consideration is no longer an issue Wave. How and when will that no longer be an issue? Do you believe that you will be able to prove yourself as the day progresses? Because I look forward to that. As it stands atm I have you at 'having a bad game' or 'scum.' Both equally possible. I'm not assuming you're scum necessarily, VE, but I find it very hard to believe that a town VE's list is this.....'easy.' Of course it is entirely possible as well that all of the scum this game ARE contained within weak posters/lurkers, I just choose to remain skeptical of that at the current time. I just don't know why. You've seen towns devour themselves on this site as much as I have recently. Why is that so hard for you to believe? Because that is my nature as a player. I have attempted to ditch the 'conspiracy theory' side of myself but it's just not happening anytime soon. I have always found it is better to prepare for the worst case scenarios (ie super-strong active scumteam) and hope for the best (a scumteam made up of lurk that we can vig into). It is ultimately more fruitful in my opinion to suspect everyone as often as I can so I don't let any 'confirmed townreads' in my mind slip by. Again I admit, in this game it is certainly possible that the scumteam in its entirety is located in your redlist. But it certainly wouldn't be my first and most confident thought, nor would I necessarily think it to be the first thought of any confident town player who wants to consider any and all options. | ||
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On September 24 2013 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote: As for as towns devouring themselves in recent games...it's basically EVERY game. I have no faith in TL towns any more and having not played town for an extended period of time in a game for a while, I am attempting to do my part in making up for it. The thing is, though, TL towns haven't been only devouring themselves due to terrible townplay (those it is a primary factor). I don't think I've seen a scumteam in the recent string of wins who hasn't deserved to win in any degree, and that to me would be what you are suggesting with your list. No it's not? In what way? I'm not saying it's through concerted effort or by design that they're probably lurking - only that they don't have to. If they don't have to play, why would they? They do have to, because a great number of those on your list have been under suspicion at one point or another. It hasn't changed what they've been doing in thread, however. | ||
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On September 24 2013 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Well rayn had questions and we had a dialogue about one of the names I included, yet you have asked no questions and mentioned no names you dislike Marv. Yet problems you have apparently. Let's hear them. I will sit back and observe this conversation. And by that I mean I'm gone for 2-3h and will read it when I come back. Play nice, kids! | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 07:58 Risen wrote: On September 24 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Why don't you tell us Risen? Has it reached that point with marv yet? Do you think he's scum directing conversation/filling post history? Or do you think he's town conversing with me about inane stuff? I don't know or I would have posted with much more conviction. If I die marv would be the first person I would want lynched after VA/FT, though. If he flips red I think it makes you look much worse. Equally you flipping red makes him look much worse imo Would you like some wish to go with your wash? God for some reason that is STILL making me laugh. Don't be scum VE, k? I don't want to be rid of you. 5 pages to go but I'm here till Daypost, watching Worlds. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:24 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 00:30 justanothertownie wrote: What I don't really understand is this: On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly DP I have a question for you. Are you town? If so, do you want to be killed N1? Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.) All of the above questions lead to these ones: Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back? If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? What is the intention behind this? I must admit that I don't know DPs meta but it is not very townie to call someone out for trying hard as a townie. Here JAT misrepresents WoS' post too fabricate a suspicion of him. Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 04:22 justanothertownie wrote: Nope. Not really. It seems to me like it is very important to know the meta of most of the players and in many cases I don't. Based on what has been written in the thread so far I don't really have any scumread right now. Here he excuses himself from making town reads. Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. Another example of how JAT is playing this game. Basically sitting in the thread, waiting for people to say shit that is scummy, and pouncing on it. I call it "nitpicking." lynch plz ~~~ Also after reading ft's filter I'm really not seeing the scumminess. He goes really in depth about his thought process in several posts. What was his last scum game? Because there probably won't be any posts like this in it: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 19:07 FirmTofu wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 19:00 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 18:51 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I know this isn't addressed to me, but I would like to take a moment to address it. I hope you don't mind. As scum, I would use DP as a tool. I know DP is respected in this community and has the ability to sway lynches in his direction regardless of alignment. Assuming DP is town and I am scum, I would latch on to DP and win his trust. Then, I would exchange reads about other players and slowly convince him to vote whoever I wanted him to vote, essentially leading him astray. As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment. You can see which path I chose to take. Yeah dunno.. your posting is really reading forced to me. That alone doesn't make you scum. I can't follow the above though, regardless of forced/non-forced consciousness... its a lot of talk. As scum I would manipulate player X to be my puppet.. etc etc Very few scum players have that skillset to proactively choose a player to influence; most adapt to the situation as it unfolds. So the above reads as total bullshit to me. Fair enough. I'll give you an example. An extremely relevant one at that. VE has basically been defending DP the entire game. DP, naturally, seems to have no qualms with VE. In fact, I'm fairly sure DP thinks VE is town. Assuming this is true, we must conclude that DP will give VE's opinion more weight compared to the average player in this thread. After all, VE is his town read and town are usually more reliable than scum. If VE is able to convince DP to change his vote on ANYONE, he has already demonstrated that his buddying allowed him to influence DP's vote. In the event that VE is scum, VE can use DP as the voice for his vote, allowing DP to take the brunt of the blame when things go wrong. He's got a couple other posts like that too. Good post, except most of what you've done this game is come in, shit on somebody for a couple posts, then leave. Unsure whether I should bother considering this as a result. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Mattchew for the record, anything I'm capable of as town I'm capable of as scum. It's what makes me so dangerous as scum. I really hate posts like this. DP does that shit all the time too. And marv. Stop making posts like this people, they do not help anyone make any sort of read into you. | ||
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As far as I know I don't think my shot list has changed in the past few hours. I will do a list of reads before daypost as well just in case....once upon a time I would say there's no point because I never get killed N1 but in recent games.... | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:20 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv I would like to know why you think Risen doesn't deserve to be shot. As far as I know I don't think my shot list has changed in the past few hours. I will do a list of reads before daypost as well just in case....once upon a time I would say there's no point because I never get killed N1 but in recent games.... Well. meh. Firstly he made a comment about VA being likely dead with the daypost. So, um, mm. Secondly his attack on me kinda came from left-field. Saying I don't make filler as town is kinda so hilariously wrong, pulling that as mafia... I dunno, it's ballsy? I'm not generally suspicious at all (just based on how other players are viewing me) so it's not like he's pouring fuel on the fire or anything. So I at least have reasons for him living through the night so I can see more of him tomorrow. How many vig claims have we had now? I remember someone saying earlier that they have believed exactly ZERO of the, what, 5 claims or something we've seen so far? And for good reason imo. The issue becomes, how do you know you're GOING to be seeing more of him tomorrow? I am wary of giving too many players free passes to 'see' what they will do because that will often bite one in the ass (ie Kush). I'm not even sure I agree that his out-of-left field attack on you is ballsy at all. I don't know if scum have a reason to fear you atm. You've done a lot of decent posting, but not a lot of pushing/accusing, let's say? TBH I don't know who scum are afraid of atm. I can't really think of the major active posters who has done a great deal of pushing aside from maybe yamato. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote: Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town. Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better: On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote: Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case. I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly. (This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>) This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan Here's some kind of explanation for it: On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote: Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum. I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota? How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural. I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia. As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through. Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that. Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.) kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why? Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all. [UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general. VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit? justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed. I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town. I sense a pattern here. Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads? Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum. Good vig shot here ladies and gents. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote: Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town. Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better: On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote: Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case. I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly. (This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>) This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan Here's some kind of explanation for it: On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote: Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum. I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota? How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural. I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia. As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through. Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that. Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.) kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why? Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all. [UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general. VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit? justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed. I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town. I sense a pattern here. Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads? Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum. Good vig shot here ladies and gents. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Is Cephiro a better vig shot than BH Wave? In my opinion, yes, though it might be due to personal bias. I can follow BH pretty damn well whereas Ceph I have only played in one game with him and was particularly invested in what he had to say. BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not. Why do you ask, my dear? | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote: On September 24 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Is Cephiro a better vig shot than BH Wave? In my opinion, yes, though it might be due to personal bias. I can follow BH pretty damn well whereas Ceph I have only played in one game with him and was particularly invested in what he had to say. BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not. Why do you ask, my dear? Because BH posted an even more useless list and has done far less than Cephiro. Yes, he's had less time, but I find it hard to believe that an entire night cycle passes in which he says nothing as town when he's known as a decent player. :/ I mean, I guess maybe my expectations could be too high for the guy, but I just have a hard time seeing town in BH's play so far. That being said I agree with you: between the two I'd say Ceph is a better Vig target, but ONLY because BH is replacing in and I love to hear the opinions of external viewpoints when trying to figure out the game. BH doesn't always do what is expected of him as town. Look at Aperture. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Kush: Full read on Coag in 50 words or less. Go. lol. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:57 Zaragon wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: EBWOP On September 24 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote: On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote: Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town. Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better: On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote: Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case. I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly. (This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>) This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan Here's some kind of explanation for it: On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote: Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum. I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota? How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural. I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia. As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through. Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that. Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.) kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why? Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all. [UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general. VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit? justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed. I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town. I sense a pattern here. Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads? Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum. Good vig shot here ladies and gents. From the point of view of a busy townie, it does make sense though. Imagine yourself lightly touching the game in between focus on something else, and how it affects your reads. Is there any meta to establish Cephiro would play a simplistic "busy town" scum rather than really be interested in playing properly if he rolled scum? Sure could be scum, more likely than a lot of people, but I have nothing to personally build a scum feel. I'd prefer a shot on someone who voted Chairman Ray (and Cephiro made a special note to say he should not be killed). FT top on my priority. I do see the reasons people mistakenly went on Chairman Ray, but I really don't expect less than 2 scum on him He could also be 'busy scum.' I know that when I roll scum/3P and I have places to be or things to do, I always tell the truth about what I've been doing. Why do I need to have meta to establish that I think Ceph may be scum for what little posting he has done? if he IS town, then he's shown that he essentially doesn't give much of a shit despite his recent post and I am not willing to give him that chance, hence wanting him to be shot tonight. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:57 geript wrote: Since we're narrowing down on the deadline... I think. I just wanted to be up front for realz. I'm not shooting DP. or FT. or Onegu. It's not for lack of desire. It's for lack of bullets; I mean I personally am not shooting blanks, but in the game I have neither a gun nor blanks. I just figured that it gives a quite good alternate way to read/medic people if appropriate and I hope DP comes back and shit. All that said, I would hope that DP would've had much more faith in me but after aperature I guess not. I'm still not happy with his replacing out and I still feel like he's getting a freebie town pass from most people inexplicably. Surprise But see here's the thing. I'm NOT surprised. At all. I am MORE surprised that DP let something as miniscule as your threats get to him. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:03 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv I just realized something. Dick move analysis on DP? well, he's in my town column ^_^ Which means I'm gonna be real sad if he legit quits mafia. I think I phrased it earlier but if you're getting angry at parts of the game which are legitimately going to be parts of any game (ie rolling 3P, getting accused) then it really is time to quit. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:01 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 08:32 Pandain wrote: I'll be back later tonight. In case I (somehow) get shot before I come back, here is my last good read(and advice). Emotion makes people towns Basically read any analysis. Scum are the ones who are inherently afraid to post, while town doesn't have that limitation. Because of this, any scum post, unless they're on the verge of being lynched(or a scum mate is), is going to be forced post rather than a genuine one. I think it's very hard to fake an emotion resulting from feeling bad this game. Mafia you don't even really feel bad, because you have a team to rest it on. You weren't playing bad, you were playing "well", simply as mafia. They didn't know. But if you're town and others criticize you, that hurts. Gertript is known for pulling off crazy tricks. Or at least, he did it in Aperture. On September 24 2013 01:41 geript wrote: On September 24 2013 01:26 Mocsta wrote: Geript, mav/me still waiting. I really wonder where the Geript I nk'd night1 in his first TL game disappeared to. I miss that guy R.I.P I'm as good as how much time I put in. Just is what it is. IDK like I really don't feel great about my reads as I was pre-aperature. That said, everyone else who played and voted for me in aperature and was town were idiotic. I'm just not feeling this game and I think a large majority of scum are inactive. This post is too genuine for me. First, scum don't say they don't feel the game as an excuse. Actually to be fair they definitely can, but I have never seen a scum use an excuse like that. Because scum actually do feel for the game, it is hard to post posts which go against directly what you believe. To clarify further, being interested in the game(having a feel for it), and being interested in solving it are the two distinctions between emotion in mafia. Is this clear? Gertrip if you're reading this, I know how you feel. I felt exactly the same way in a weird Caller Japenese themed game. I was sure that Ace was scum but no one believed me. Eventually I was convinced I had no idea what to believe. And I hated it because I was confused. Keep at it man, and look at Palmar. He improved so much despite people constantly shit-talking him. Don't give up, and look at other people besides DP. I don't think shooting him is a good idea, even if you think he's mafia, because he is so strong later on. My gameplay from every game I've ever played in invalidates this. Hmm.... Risen with a very good point. Marv is Pandain scum? | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:11 Coagulation wrote: heres how i feel Impressive Coag. Should have replaced the green hanging guy with a blue one though. So you feel as though scum are trying to direct nightshots? Which ones? | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote: All the troll really makes me lean town on VA. Wasn't he the guy who was all "TROLLS NEVER GET LYNCHED FFS I'M JUST GONNA TROLL MY LIFE AWAAAAAAAY" last time he was lynched as town? LOL YOURE RIGHT HAHAHA GOd you fucking nailed him | ||
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Shoot his ass. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote: tbh i would doc coag over anyone save marv </3 | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:41 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 10:39 Coagulation wrote: On September 24 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote: Coag, if you actually have a gun, I hope you're shooting FT why not lynch him? delayed gratification mostly, I agree with Marv that knowing his alignment would help analyze the lynch. If he dies and flips scum, we have like 3 confirmed mafia. Uh...who would those be? I'm a little less towny on Geript lately (and I forget why) so maybe him? Also Ceph, I'm not the one you should be appealing to, since I don't have a gun. It seems you have convinced some others in the town so maybe you are safe tonight. Guess we'll see. If you are telling the truth, I look forward to seeing what you have to offer. | ||
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<3 all u guise. | ||
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GG and GL town! | ||
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GJ TOWN YOU DID IT | ||
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YAAAY TOWWWNNNNNN | ||
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Oh I know. DON'T FUCKING FAKECLAIM AS TOWN EVER | ||
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Not bad (which there was), unacceptable and bannable. | ||
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Here. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/4ti4pFaNwin | ||
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On October 06 2013 05:25 Umasi wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2013 05:19 LoneMeow wrote: On October 06 2013 05:18 justanothertownie wrote: I am fairly certain WOS wasn't talking about you Lone. I am fairly certain I played against my wincon which I believe is verboten. you didn't imo, anyway. like, mocsta didn't, and if anyone DID, it's certainly mocsta :| Pandain did. I think there were a couple other examples too. | ||
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On October 06 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2013 05:25 Umasi wrote: On October 06 2013 05:19 LoneMeow wrote: On October 06 2013 05:18 justanothertownie wrote: I am fairly certain WOS wasn't talking about you Lone. I am fairly certain I played against my wincon which I believe is verboten. you didn't imo, anyway. like, mocsta didn't, and if anyone DID, it's certainly mocsta :| Pandain did. I think there were a couple other examples too. Hell anyone who got modkilled on purpose technically is playing against wincon even if it's 'to get someone lynched' or whatever because getting yourself killed increases scum's chances of winning. | ||
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On October 06 2013 05:26 Umasi wrote: Actually scratch that. If anyone did, it's me, because I blatantly stopped caring if mocsta was town or not and wanted him policied :3 Yeah no. That's not anti-wincon at all. Policy lynches just don't happen on TL though, no matter how often they should, and now you know that. | ||
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The anger has long since died away---game's been over so long people just don't give a shit anymore. | ||
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On October 06 2013 19:36 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2013 19:33 Clarity_nl wrote: For someone that hasn't read this 300 page game, can someone give a 5 line tl;dr version? The town in this game was quite bad We lynched both doctors, so sad With so very much lurk The mafia could twerk Around in the thread like Jihad Goddamn if I didn't burst out laughing. My son looked at me funny. | ||
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