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On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote:Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours 
Thank you. 
On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
1: DarthPunk
2: raynpelikoneet
3: WaveofShadow
4: gumshoe
5: yamato77
6: kushm4sta
7: Koshi
8: ObviousOne
9: Chairman Ray
10: FirmTofu
11: Pandain
12: Cephiro
13: Mr. Cheesecake
14: Xzavier
15: Coagulation
16: Stutters695
17: Onegu
18: Zenatsu
19: [UoN]Sentinel
20: VisceraEyes
21: VayneAuthority
22: geript
23: Risen
24: LoneMeow
25: marvellosity
26: Zaragon
27: Mattchew
28: Umasi
29: justanothertownie
30: Mocsta
Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members.
I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum.
The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else.
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On September 24 2013 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote:Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours Thank you. On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
1: DarthPunk
2: raynpelikoneet
3: WaveofShadow
4: gumshoe
5: yamato77
6: kushm4sta
7: Koshi
8: ObviousOne
9: Chairman Ray
10: FirmTofu
11: Pandain
12: Cephiro
13: Mr. Cheesecake
14: Xzavier
15: Coagulation
16: Stutters695
17: Onegu
18: Zenatsu
19: [UoN]Sentinel
20: VisceraEyes
21: VayneAuthority
22: geript
23: Risen
24: LoneMeow
25: marvellosity
26: Zaragon
27: Mattchew
28: Umasi
29: justanothertownie
30: Mocsta
Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else. Only if you start from the assumption that I'm scum. The list and its contents are for when that consideration is no longer an issue Wave.
How and when will that no longer be an issue? Do you believe that you will be able to prove yourself as the day progresses? Because I look forward to that. As it stands atm I have you at 'having a bad game' or 'scum.' Both equally possible.
I'm not assuming you're scum necessarily, VE, but I find it very hard to believe that a town VE's list is this.....'easy.' Of course it is entirely possible as well that all of the scum this game ARE contained within weak posters/lurkers, I just choose to remain skeptical of that at the current time.
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On September 24 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote:Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours Thank you. On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
1: DarthPunk
2: raynpelikoneet
3: WaveofShadow
4: gumshoe
5: yamato77
6: kushm4sta
7: Koshi
8: ObviousOne
9: Chairman Ray
10: FirmTofu
11: Pandain
12: Cephiro
13: Mr. Cheesecake
14: Xzavier
15: Coagulation
16: Stutters695
17: Onegu
18: Zenatsu
19: [UoN]Sentinel
20: VisceraEyes
21: VayneAuthority
22: geript
23: Risen
24: LoneMeow
25: marvellosity
26: Zaragon
27: Mattchew
28: Umasi
29: justanothertownie
30: Mocsta
Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else. Only if you start from the assumption that I'm scum. The list and its contents are for when that consideration is no longer an issue Wave. How and when will that no longer be an issue? Do you believe that you will be able to prove yourself as the day progresses? Because I look forward to that. As it stands atm I have you at 'having a bad game' or 'scum.' Both equally possible. I'm not assuming you're scum necessarily, VE, but I find it very hard to believe that a town VE's list is this.....'easy.' Of course it is entirely possible as well that all of the scum this game ARE contained within weak posters/lurkers, I just choose to remain skeptical of that at the current time. I just don't know why. You've seen towns devour themselves on this site as much as I have recently. Why is that so hard for you to believe?
Because that is my nature as a player. I have attempted to ditch the 'conspiracy theory' side of myself but it's just not happening anytime soon. I have always found it is better to prepare for the worst case scenarios (ie super-strong active scumteam) and hope for the best (a scumteam made up of lurk that we can vig into). It is ultimately more fruitful in my opinion to suspect everyone as often as I can so I don't let any 'confirmed townreads' in my mind slip by.
Again I admit, in this game it is certainly possible that the scumteam in its entirety is located in your redlist. But it certainly wouldn't be my first and most confident thought, nor would I necessarily think it to be the first thought of any confident town player who wants to consider any and all options.
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As for as towns devouring themselves in recent games...it's basically EVERY game. I have no faith in TL towns any more and having not played town for an extended period of time in a game for a while, I am attempting to do my part in making up for it. The thing is, though, TL towns haven't been only devouring themselves due to terrible townplay (those it is a primary factor). I don't think I've seen a scumteam in the recent string of wins who hasn't deserved to win in any degree, and that to me would be what you are suggesting with your list.
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On September 24 2013 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for as towns devouring themselves in recent games...it's basically EVERY game. I have no faith in TL towns any more and having not played town for an extended period of time in a game for a while, I am attempting to do my part in making up for it. The thing is, though, TL towns haven't been only devouring themselves due to terrible townplay (those it is a primary factor). I don't think I've seen a scumteam in the recent string of wins who hasn't deserved to win in any degree, and that to me would be what you are suggesting with your list. No it's not? In what way? I'm not saying it's through concerted effort or by design that they're probably lurking - only that they don't have to. If they don't have to play, why would they?
They do have to, because a great number of those on your list have been under suspicion at one point or another. It hasn't changed what they've been doing in thread, however.
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On September 24 2013 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well rayn had questions and we had a dialogue about one of the names I included, yet you have asked no questions and mentioned no names you dislike Marv. Yet problems you have apparently. Let's hear them.
I will sit back and observe this conversation.
And by that I mean I'm gone for 2-3h and will read it when I come back.
Play nice, kids!
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On September 24 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:58 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why don't you tell us Risen? Has it reached that point with marv yet? Do you think he's scum directing conversation/filling post history? Or do you think he's town conversing with me about inane stuff? I don't know or I would have posted with much more conviction. If I die marv would be the first person I would want lynched after VA/FT, though. If he flips red I think it makes you look much worse. Equally you flipping red makes him look much worse imo Would you like some wish to go with your wash?
God for some reason that is STILL making me laugh.
Don't be scum VE, k? I don't want to be rid of you.
5 pages to go but I'm here till Daypost, watching Worlds.
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On September 24 2013 08:24 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 00:30 justanothertownie wrote:What I don't really understand is this: On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)
All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? What is the intention behind this? I must admit that I don't know DPs meta but it is not very townie to call someone out for trying hard as a townie. Here JAT misrepresents WoS' post too fabricate a suspicion of him.
Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 04:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Nope. Not really. It seems to me like it is very important to know the meta of most of the players and in many cases I don't. Based on what has been written in the thread so far I don't really have any scumread right now. Here he excuses himself from making town reads.Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. Another example of how JAT is playing this game. Basically sitting in the thread, waiting for people to say shit that is scummy, and pouncing on it. I call it "nitpicking."lynch plz ~~~ Also after reading ft's filter I'm really not seeing the scumminess. He goes really in depth about his thought process in several posts. What was his last scum game? Because there probably won't be any posts like this in it: Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 19:07 FirmTofu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2013 19:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:51 FirmTofu wrote:On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.
Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.
Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I know this isn't addressed to me, but I would like to take a moment to address it. I hope you don't mind. As scum, I would use DP as a tool. I know DP is respected in this community and has the ability to sway lynches in his direction regardless of alignment. Assuming DP is town and I am scum, I would latch on to DP and win his trust. Then, I would exchange reads about other players and slowly convince him to vote whoever I wanted him to vote, essentially leading him astray. As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment. You can see which path I chose to take. Yeah dunno.. your posting is really reading forced to me. That alone doesn't make you scum. I can't follow the above though, regardless of forced/non-forced consciousness... its a lot of talk. As scum I would manipulate player X to be my puppet.. etc etc Very few scum players have that skillset to proactively choose a player to influence; most adapt to the situation as it unfolds. So the above reads as total bullshit to me. Fair enough. I'll give you an example. An extremely relevant one at that. VE has basically been defending DP the entire game. DP, naturally, seems to have no qualms with VE. In fact, I'm fairly sure DP thinks VE is town. Assuming this is true, we must conclude that DP will give VE's opinion more weight compared to the average player in this thread. After all, VE is his town read and town are usually more reliable than scum. If VE is able to convince DP to change his vote on ANYONE, he has already demonstrated that his buddying allowed him to influence DP's vote. In the event that VE is scum, VE can use DP as the voice for his vote, allowing DP to take the brunt of the blame when things go wrong. He's got a couple other posts like that too.
Good post, except most of what you've done this game is come in, shit on somebody for a couple posts, then leave.
Unsure whether I should bother considering this as a result.
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On September 24 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew for the record, anything I'm capable of as town I'm capable of as scum. It's what makes me so dangerous as scum.
I really hate posts like this.
DP does that shit all the time too.
And marv.
Stop making posts like this people, they do not help anyone make any sort of read into you.
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Marv I would like to know why you think Risen doesn't deserve to be shot.
As far as I know I don't think my shot list has changed in the past few hours.
I will do a list of reads before daypost as well just in case....once upon a time I would say there's no point because I never get killed N1 but in recent games....
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Mattchew I'm wondering if I should move you down a tier or not on my shot list. What do you think?
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On September 24 2013 09:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv I would like to know why you think Risen doesn't deserve to be shot.
As far as I know I don't think my shot list has changed in the past few hours.
I will do a list of reads before daypost as well just in case....once upon a time I would say there's no point because I never get killed N1 but in recent games.... Well. meh. Firstly he made a comment about VA being likely dead with the daypost. So, um, mm.Secondly his attack on me kinda came from left-field. Saying I don't make filler as town is kinda so hilariously wrong, pulling that as mafia... I dunno, it's ballsy? I'm not generally suspicious at all (just based on how other players are viewing me) so it's not like he's pouring fuel on the fire or anything. So I at least have reasons for him living through the night so I can see more of him tomorrow.
How many vig claims have we had now? I remember someone saying earlier that they have believed exactly ZERO of the, what, 5 claims or something we've seen so far? And for good reason imo.
The issue becomes, how do you know you're GOING to be seeing more of him tomorrow? I am wary of giving too many players free passes to 'see' what they will do because that will often bite one in the ass (ie Kush). I'm not even sure I agree that his out-of-left field attack on you is ballsy at all. I don't know if scum have a reason to fear you atm. You've done a lot of decent posting, but not a lot of pushing/accusing, let's say? TBH I don't know who scum are afraid of atm. I can't really think of the major active posters who has done a great deal of pushing aside from maybe yamato.
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On September 24 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote:Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town. Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better: On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote:
Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case.
I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly.
(This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>) This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan Here's some kind of explanation for it: On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote:
Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum. I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota? How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural. I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia. As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through. Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that. Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.) kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why? Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all. [UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general. VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit? justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed. I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town. I sense a pattern here. Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads? Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum. Good vig shot here ladies and gents.
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On September 24 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote:Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town. Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better: On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote:
Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case.
I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly.
(This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>) This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan Here's some kind of explanation for it: On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote:
Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum. I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota? How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural. I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia. As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through. Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that. Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.) kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why? Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all. [UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general. VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit? justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed. I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town.
I sense a pattern here.
Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads?
Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum.
Good vig shot here ladies and gents.
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On September 24 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is Cephiro a better vig shot than BH Wave?
In my opinion, yes, though it might be due to personal bias.
I can follow BH pretty damn well whereas Ceph I have only played in one game with him and was particularly invested in what he had to say.
BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not.
Why do you ask, my dear?
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On September 24 2013 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is Cephiro a better vig shot than BH Wave? In my opinion, yes, though it might be due to personal bias. I can follow BH pretty damn well whereas Ceph I have only played in one game with him and was particularly invested in what he had to say. BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not. Why do you ask, my dear? Because BH posted an even more useless list and has done far less than Cephiro. Yes, he's had less time, but I find it hard to believe that an entire night cycle passes in which he says nothing as town when he's known as a decent player. :/ I mean, I guess maybe my expectations could be too high for the guy, but I just have a hard time seeing town in BH's play so far. That being said I agree with you: between the two I'd say Ceph is a better Vig target, but ONLY because BH is replacing in and I love to hear the opinions of external viewpoints when trying to figure out the game.
BH doesn't always do what is expected of him as town. Look at Aperture.
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On September 24 2013 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kush:
Full read on Coag in 50 words or less. Go.
lol.
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On September 24 2013 09:57 Zaragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:EBWOP On September 24 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote:On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote:Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town. Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better: On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote:
Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case.
I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly.
(This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>) This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan Here's some kind of explanation for it: On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote:
Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum. I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota? How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural. I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia. As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through. Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that. Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.) kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why? Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all. [UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general. VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit? justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed. I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town. I sense a pattern here. Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads? Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum. Good vig shot here ladies and gents. From the point of view of a busy townie, it does make sense though. Imagine yourself lightly touching the game in between focus on something else, and how it affects your reads. Is there any meta to establish Cephiro would play a simplistic "busy town" scum rather than really be interested in playing properly if he rolled scum? Sure could be scum, more likely than a lot of people, but I have nothing to personally build a scum feel. I'd prefer a shot on someone who voted Chairman Ray (and Cephiro made a special note to say he should not be killed). FT top on my priority. I do see the reasons people mistakenly went on Chairman Ray, but I really don't expect less than 2 scum on him
He could also be 'busy scum.' I know that when I roll scum/3P and I have places to be or things to do, I always tell the truth about what I've been doing. Why do I need to have meta to establish that I think Ceph may be scum for what little posting he has done?
if he IS town, then he's shown that he essentially doesn't give much of a shit despite his recent post and I am not willing to give him that chance, hence wanting him to be shot tonight.
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On September 24 2013 09:57 geript wrote:
Since we're narrowing down on the deadline... I think. I just wanted to be up front for realz. I'm not shooting DP. or FT. or Onegu. It's not for lack of desire. It's for lack of bullets; I mean I personally am not shooting blanks, but in the game I have neither a gun nor blanks. I just figured that it gives a quite good alternate way to read/medic people if appropriate and I hope DP comes back and shit. All that said, I would hope that DP would've had much more faith in me but after aperature I guess not. I'm still not happy with his replacing out and I still feel like he's getting a freebie town pass from most people inexplicably.
Surprise
But see here's the thing.
I'm NOT surprised.
At all.
I am MORE surprised that DP let something as miniscule as your threats get to him.
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Marv I just realized something.
Dick move analysis on DP?
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