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Koshi

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September 22 2013 22:44 GMT

#1564

On September 23 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon.

Don't lynch Koshi. He is town.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 22 2013 22:46 GMT

#1567

On September 23 2013 07:45 yamato77 wrote:
If people don't feel good about lynching Ray, I'd be more than happy leading the gallows to Mocsta.

Yes! He posted a baby seal and it is against the law to post babyseals when you are town.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 22 2013 22:48 GMT

#1571

On September 23 2013 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:

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Sorry, coming from you that is not very convincing.^^
I am really missing your aggressive light hearted playstyle. You seem to be very passive this game.

Why can't I be town without being aggressive & light hearted?

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 22 2013 22:50 GMT

#1574

On September 23 2013 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote:

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On September 23 2013 07:30 yamato77 wrote:

On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote:

On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote:
Chairman Ray, not Rayn.

Yes, I think I can get him lynched.

Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second.

I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting.

Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me.

I explained that Koshi said he was sheeping me in voting you; this is not something that is extraordinary for town Koshi to do, in my opinion. If you think he's scum, what other reasoning would you put forward to justify this read, aside from that?

Town make bad posts, yes, but scum make posts like yours. It's not a singular game of experience that I draw from, it is from vast experience in 20+ mafia games of my own in addition to the wonderful analysis Ver gave of my own opening post as scum in Sicilian that made me rethink how I view starting posts.

You have a lot of history with koshi, but this is my first time playing with him. With that being given, do you think my read on him was reasonable? Right now, I still believe koshi may be scum. I might be willing to accept that he just followed your vote in the first place, but he's active in this thread right now, I'm inviting him to give me some analysis on why he's voting me, and there still hasn't been anything yet.

I still disagree with your analysis on my first post. You may have an extensive experience, but that doesn't mean you are correct. In this case, you definitely do have a misread on me, but I hope that we can resolve that now instead of post game. At the same time, I made a lot of rookie mistakes that caused you to have such a strong scumread on me. I would like to win this game so if there's any way that I could make myself easier to read for you and everyone else here, feel free to say it. If I could improve now, that may mean the difference between a win and a loss. Otherwise I'll probably be seeking your help postgame.

Right now my radar is still on koshi despite you disagreeing with me. However if you are confident that he's town, then I could use some of your analysis as well on why he is, so I have a more educated vote. I still would like to hear from koshi on why he's voting me.

How can you be still on me? You had 2 reasons to be on me?
1) I voted you without reason
Answer: I voted you because I sheeped total townread yamato. People that think yamato is scum are not very intelligent.
2) I asked for consolidation and you thought that was bad for town.
Anwser: It isn't bad for town.

So your 2 shitty reasons were denied and you are still on me? wtf is that all about?

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 22 2013 23:01 GMT

#1581

@yamato77: Well, his first post was a really easy way for scum to enter the thread. Say some stuff about himself mainly that his reads are bad and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to him. Ending with being open for questions if there are any.

@rayn: WoS made a big ass post about secret taktics and it reminded me of his sekret tactics in Persona.

@marv: I am here, reading everything. I don't know what to do.

@JAT: Yes, I play different this time. I think it is because it is a big game now. I don't remember what I did right in Aperture that I am not doing now, probably activity.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 22 2013 23:08 GMT

#1587

On September 23 2013 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what are those "secret taktics" you are referring to?

... This time he was trying to get a read on DP by posting nonsense. In Persona it was the thing with not talking in N0.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 22 2013 23:27 GMT

#1620

On September 23 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote:

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Read through his vote on LoneMeow and give me your honest interpretation.

On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote:

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Why would you say that voting Umasi is a terrible idea, yet vote him anyways? It seems to me like you are scum trying to get achieve a town mislynch D1, but unable to muster up any strong cases on anybody. So instead of posting a weak case against them and have everyone call you out on it, you beat us to the punch by telling us your case is poor to begin with. If you are really town, then a town who intentionally makes a bad vote is still hurting town.

##Vote: LoneMeow

I actually have no problem with the reason why CR voted LM. But that last sentence is really strange. Remove that last sentence and I actually like it, but that last sentence is just strange. Don't know why that was added.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 22 2013 23:31 GMT

#1633

On September 23 2013 08:29 yamato77 wrote:

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So, outside of his first post, is there anything meaningful that would make you lean one way or the other about him?

Well he is attacking me for 2 reasons that you shut down immediately. He even brought it up again and you shot it down again. After that he is still on my ass. Dnu, what that is all about.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 22 2013 23:35 GMT

#1643

On September 23 2013 08:34 yamato77 wrote:

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On September 23 2013 08:31 Koshi wrote:

On September 23 2013 08:29 yamato77 wrote:

On September 23 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote:

On September 23 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote:

On September 23 2013 08:01 Koshi wrote:
@yamato77: Well, his first post was a really easy way for scum to enter the thread. Say some stuff about himself mainly that his reads are bad and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to him. Ending with being open for questions if there are any.

@rayn: WoS made a big ass post about secret taktics and it reminded me of his sekret tactics in Persona.

@marv: I am here, reading everything. I don't know what to do.

@JAT: Yes, I play different this time. I think it is because it is a big game now. I don't remember what I did right in Aperture that I am not doing now, probably activity.

Read through his vote on LoneMeow and give me your honest interpretation.

On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote:

On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.

Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.

##Vote: Umasi

Here for a while if you want to ask me something.

So, outside of his first post, is there anything meaningful that would make you lean one way or the other about him?

Well he is attacking me for 2 reasons that you shut down immediately. He even brought it up again and you shot it down again. After that he is still on my ass. Dnu, what that is all about.

Meh, he explained it well enough IMO. I'm having second thoughts about his lynch.

Well, find us somebody else!

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 22 2013 23:41 GMT

#1652

It actually makes VA pretty town. Dnu, why VA would do it as scum, he never changes around much as town.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 00:06 GMT

#1665

marv, you work so slow. I need to know who to vote for so I can go to bed.

LoneMeow is still voting for himself. The guy must be depressed that he can't solve the game D1 or something.
Chairman Ray. Could vote him. But would be kinda cruel if he gets misslynched D1 twice in a row lol.
Mocsta: could vote. I have this urge to follow VA. Had it last time as well. Dnu what that is all about.
FT, Sentinel: meh.

Voting 0-posters is bad btw. Unless you got townreads on everybody it is only 1/5 scum. Also, there are plenty replacements. Good ones as well. I like the replacements way more than the people that will be replaced. On average. A lot.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 00:11 GMT

#1667

On September 23 2013 09:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Marv is working slowly because he doesn't want to be the primary pusher of a lynch today, it seems. Maybe so it becomes more difficult for people like you to simply sit back and sheep?

marv is so evul.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 00:20 GMT

#1676

Going to vote FT. Thread sentiment and all.
Don't want to lynch the kitten. He said that he read all the filters many times but got demotivated. Meh, can't believe he is going to flip scum. Scum QT would have guided him, doesn't feel like he is being guided. While he would be the person that searches for help there.

So FT seems like a good bet. Didn't do shit.

PS: Please don't lynch me. I promise I am town. pinky swear.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 00:22 GMT

#1678

On September 23 2013 09:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

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Why 1/5 specifically?

30 peepz, 6 scum, 1/5 scum, 5 lurkers, 1 scum.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 06:42 GMT

#1951

What a clusterfuck...
List for vigis:
Firmtofu
Firmtofu
Firmtofu

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 06:44 GMT

#1952

If you need reasons.
Useless.
Makes it easier for us to spot scummers on CR.
Lynch was a mess.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 07:55 GMT

#1957

On September 23 2013 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:

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Read kush's filter and then read Stutters case on kush. Then think of the last two games of his where he clearly gave a shit enough to be night killed. Then come back and tell me Kush is giving a shit this game. If you can do that then I can re think kush. Up until that point I think kush is likely to be scum.

He actually got misslynched last game (golden sun), while he came off a very good town game in Persona. Dnu about Kush tbh. Wouldn't shoot him.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 08:01 GMT

#1958

Also, Onegu is not getting replaced / modkilled. What is that all about?

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 08:19 GMT

#1961

On September 23 2013 17:02 DarthPunk wrote:

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Oh ok. But yeah. He has the ability to give a shit about the game and this game he clearly doesn't.

So many games that he doesn't give shit while town though, especially in big games. GoT comes to mind. Don't know if it is the best shot D1.

Also, better hit scum than to do crapshoots. I don't know how many docs we have, but if 3 nk keep happenening then we don't have too many misslynches.
What about holding vigi shots till N2? FT is the only one I want to see shot tbh.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 23 2013 08:20 GMT

#1962

On September 23 2013 17:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Here now and hopefully a bit more coherent with less pain and so. Sorry about ruining the game. Also, I don't get to choose when I have to leave as long as I am staying with my parents.

DP is town I think, his anger at the hosting messup seems genuine.

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This is why I wanted to vote Umasi, it just makes no sense from town perspective. It really looks like he was just trying to see if that'd gain any traction and let it go when it looked like it would not. Why would town do that?

There is a giant mark on your head. Try to be as useful as possible please. You said you read all filters multiple times, try to give some reads. Townreads, nullreads, things that you think are suspicious.
Anything. Feel free to spam everything that comes to mind.

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