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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 20:50 GMT
#2965
Koshi: I think OO claimed being RBed.

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 20:51 GMT
#2966
On September 25 2013 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that there are only 3 kills weighs on my mind. The fact that I was suspicious of Coag, and that he's claimed one of the three kills last night. The fact that Yamato hasn't done shit since the day post except try and leverage his position.

Yes, iamp, I do have reason not to believe him. Fucking ass.

So how do you come to this conclusion? Do you think coag and yamato are scum together?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 20:56 GMT
#2970
Hm, I see no reason not to believe yamato. I had a townread on him even before. You are right though - he could use this "confirmed status" way more actively.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 20:57 GMT
#2971
On September 25 2013 05:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
(Nightpost is September 24 2013 11:10)

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 13:21 Mattchew wrote:
Lol im like conf town mutha truckahs

On September 25 2013 00:13 Mattchew wrote:
So yamato is town, thats no fun


versus

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 01:47 Mattchew wrote:
I aint the doc


Do we have a rationale for this from either Matt, in which case I missed it because Matt doesn't like to quote, or from someone else? Either Matt came out as the doctor or he tripped over himself.

I have no idea what that means. As far as I know he didn't explain it as of yet.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 21:06 GMT
#2991
On September 25 2013 06:02 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 05:58 deconduo wrote:
Wait unless I'm missing something here, how is yamato confirmed? From what I understand, and coag hasn't been that forthcoming with information, coag claimed a vig shot on yamato, and yamato claimed he was protected. Why does that make yamato town? All it means is that coag is semi-confirmed, and a doc saved yamato.

Why would a scum lie about being protected, it makes sense for yamato to claim the protection regardless of his alignment.


coag claimed the shot on Vayne.

The clue is where coag kept saying "I'm going to shoot Vayne"


Oh ok. Still though, how does claiming the protection make yamato town? He could stay silent to try and out the doctor as scum, but that's pretty risky to do.

Well the shot is missing otherwise and nobody else claimed being protected.
On September 25 2013 06:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
The questions become: do you believe that a town-aligned Coag would use his vig shot on VA? Do you believe that a doctor would protect Yamato based on yesterday? And do you believe that scum would shoot a town-aligned Yamato?

The answer is no to too many of these questions for me to just accept Yamato as confirmed town. I want him to continue establishing his towniness as if he were not.

There were people who had strong a townread on yamato.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 21:08 GMT
#2998
On September 25 2013 06:06 marvellosity wrote:
Look, if yamato is alive in a couple of cycles time we can have a conversation about his "confirmedness".

As of now, it's a waste of space.

This is absolutely true.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 21:24 GMT
#3013
Rayn and marv since you are here - what is your current opinion on a FT lynch?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 21:34 GMT
#3027
Of course you couldn't remember me. That's because noone ever mentioned me ever for a very long time...
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 21:42 GMT
#3044
On September 25 2013 06:41 iamperfection wrote:
also i will do what i want

so scummy
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 21:43 GMT
#3045
On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote:
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.

Based on what exactly?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 21:48 GMT
#3050
On September 25 2013 06:43 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote:
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.


you're gonna have to explain this good for me.

Hurndall3 smurf mini (might have to double check the spreadsheet at the end in GMarshal post)
It's the same Kush
Kush unplugged

How long since this game was played? Kush played some really good gaes recently.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 21:48 GMT
#3052
EBWOP: games
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 23:49 GMT
#3126
On September 25 2013 08:17 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote:
, how come there is nothing going on right now?

Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution.
Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me.

Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter.

did u know there is a case that most of the actives have inputted on?

its on mattchew, i suggest u comment...... I got no idea how u avoided this

Yeah, I know. But if you look at the time stamps you will see that there WAS nothing going on at that point in time.
No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta.
Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 23:54 GMT
#3130
On September 25 2013 08:52 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:17 Mocsta wrote:
On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote:
, how come there is nothing going on right now?

Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution.
Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me.

Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter.

did u know there is a case that most of the actives have inputted on?

its on mattchew, i suggest u comment...... I got no idea how u avoided this

Yeah, I know. But if you look at the time stamps you will see that there WAS nothing going on at that point in time.
No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta.
Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book.


This is all distinctly lacking your own opinion...

Look at it from my point of view, jat. What am I supposed to take from this post about your alignment? about your views? about anything?

"the case is fine and i might vote him, depending on stuff"

That's exactly the reason I didn't comment on it. I don't have a strong opinion on it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 24 2013 23:58 GMT
#3135
If my opinion was of that much value to you, you could have asked btw.
So if it pleases you I will take another look at him, ok? When I first read the case it went exactly as I said: Sound logic - guy could be mafia. That's about it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:00 GMT
#3137
The case was fine like I said. But a good case does not necessarily mean the target is mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:06 GMT
#3143
On September 25 2013 09:02 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 09:00 justanothertownie wrote:
The case was fine like I said. But a good case does not necessarily mean the target is mafia.

Your reactive license has just been revoked.

Proactive or gallows. Choose your adventure.

Meanie...
Alright alright as I said I am taking a second look on Mattchew and will give you a stronger statement.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:17 GMT
#3153
On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote:
@Rayn: Regarding - Mattchew
OP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew



Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise

+ Show Spoiler +
  • Not sure why his first action is to filter dive 4 specific players
  • Gut read on rayn is meh.. would have expected something more substatial
  • Gives an odd read on Chariman Ray.. almost as if he knows he is town (this stuck out to me a while back).. could just be poor phrasing
  • Where is outcome of his filter dive on 4 specific players?
  • Cuddles Mocsta... via gut again.. none of his posts have any in-game substance
  • Is OK with yam, based on others vote critera; but then later gives a wishywashy comment on yam that implies he only has a soft scum lean.. very odd
  • Asks for opinions on Stutters multiple times, but doesn't flesh out why he is interested (very scummy)
  • Rational of keeping voting on yam is odd... suggests he didnt have a scum read on him when he cast the vote in the first place....which is not consistent with prior comments
  • later puts a scum team which includes stutters.... why the fuck did he not vote stutters instead of yam.. OR prove stutters himself.. (VERY SCUMMY)
  • Really odd comments about marv.... not sure what it means


Overall.
I have a few problems with him
(1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment.
Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!)

(2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd.

(3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game.



I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly.

Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew

Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not.
On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:20 GMT
#3157
To make it clear his name is and was painted red in my spreadsheet since some of my town reads voted for him. I just wasn't sure if it is the lynch I wanted - I thought it might be a good idea to lynch FT at that time.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:21 GMT
#3158
Well, since FT looks somewhat better right now:

##Vote: Mattchew

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