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On September 22 2013 21:39 Zaragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game. I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is. Oh and from earlier: On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no? It says almost nothing. You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game. So you think only scum posts like that? On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why? Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons. Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum? It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance. Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here. How does me saying what i did make me scum? Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why? It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point. On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".
Elaborate please. That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings. So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious So in comparsion you should be really scummy then? Yet another question and no substance. I've been giving my reads and analyzing people consistently; yes, I condense my points with little detail--I type slowly and am not going to bore anyone with my medical history. Give me your read on something I have said and I will address it.
I ask questions and make conclusions from them. If the questions end up in non-scum conclusion i drop the matter because there is no need to say it ends up in a town/null read. Your analysis and conclusions are all "this guy did this and then that and he could do that as scum or town both". You have ne real conclusions in your posts. I would like you to give some conclusions that actually take some stance on someone. The only thing close to this is when you called me slightly scummy, and that is bullshit.
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Zaragon who exactly you want me to give my read on?
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On September 22 2013 21:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What are the important matters Koshi has commented on and how is Koshi's responses to the pressure townie? I dont believe I said Koshi response made him town. As for the stuff Koshi commented on, it was mainly the back/forth I had with him. Im not against re-raeding Koshi. i plan to do a re-read tomorrow (literal; not cycle). I hosently, cant be bothered filter diving him currently though. Im only posting right now, because you asked me a question.
Don't worry, you'll do it when you do it.
Here's the thing. You and Koshi went back and forth. After that Koshi voted for you for (1) posting specially, for you (2) faking activity, and for you (3) thinking Kush is scum for caring about rules.
Point (3) was proven wrong as your thingy went on. I did ask Koshi later on why he did vote for you. He only mentioned (1), and that is bullshit. He did not mention (2) at all, while that was the only point that actually could make you scum from the reasons he gave. In other words, his vote was totally crap.
After that he swithed his vote to VA. Fair enough, he could do that as town, but he had other scumreads at that moment (WoS) and he never interacts with him at any point at the game. After his rant with you he only talks about VA (and he knows that's useless).
TLDR; His votes end up on someone with either shitty reasons or they end up on someone easy to plant a vote on. Or both. That's not what Koshi does as town. Look at the last game where he flipped town. After Titanic Koshi has been the shiny beacon of towniness when he is town. Here he is discussing stupid stuff or discussing no stuff at all and voting for an easy target. I think that makes him scum.
##Vote: Koshi
Now, Mocsta, when you are able to;
I find it weird that you are saying "Koshi has discussed important matters" because that's horribly wrong. I agree with your vote on Sentinel and if he does not improve his posting / give thoughts on something that's easy to hide behind we lynch him. But Koshi looks worse. He's actively posting but not saying shit.
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On September 22 2013 22:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote:On September 22 2013 17:52 Mocsta wrote:
That doesnt make him scummy FT. I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. At least there's a clear causative agent in my retardation. Unfortunately for us, you stupidity is by choice.
Do you have any scumreads that's not DP?
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On September 22 2013 22:15 geript wrote:
Nah. Just caught up. FT looks like scum and I could join that parade. I still like WoS for scum. Otherwise naw. I'll read after D&D.
Could you elaborate on WoS when you get back. I don't share your thoughts on him being scum.
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yamato there is a reason for my questions. You'll hear about the conclusions when i have answers.
What do you think about Koshi?
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Do you plan on reading marv this game and work from there (like you did in Desert with marv/Hapa)? Or have you done so already?
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On September 22 2013 22:26 yamato77 wrote:
Also, you should move your vote to Ray, because he is the wagon of Justice. 100% mafia.
I have not played with him. Could you elaborate more on what makes him scum?
I think Koshi is the best lynch atm because i actually know how he plays as town/scum.
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On September 22 2013 22:30 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you plan on reading marv this game and work from there (like you did in Desert with marv/Hapa)? Or have you done so already? Are you reading my posts?
Yeah i am reading your posts. You don't seem to try to find out marv's alignment, you seem to argue with him about something, you beth tell your pov and then you move on to different things. HAve you found out anything about marv's alignment based on what you have talked with him?
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Also, yamato, do you know if Chairman Ray is new or not?
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On September 22 2013 22:40 Mocsta wrote:
now that koshi was getting some traction; compared to anyone else.
its odd, the timing of yamato post including the "i ignored koshi post"
he comes in like a hero.. and isnt even reading the whole thread.. what a douche
##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi
Your post is saying "yamato is scum" (as the next post aswell).
Why vote Koshi instead?
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On September 22 2013 22:47 DarthPunk wrote:God now yamato thinks I am scum too. Based on me doing something I do as town in many games. Seriously look up ego and mario mini's. If you think me not 'scumhunting' and solely defending myself is scummy based on meta those games will disprove that fact. Clearly though. I have asked questions and scum hunted. I am actually not sure what yamato is saying here because I was pressuring FT on his reads and the consistency of his narrative. Which lead to a thoroughly scummy result. Honestly if everyone is going to call me scum stupidly then I am just going to ignore you all. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:20 yamato77 wrote:
Scum DP is actually more likely to only argue the entire game than town DP is. Honestly, DP refusing to do anything OMGUS people the whole game is not a point in his favor, it is a point against. You should know better, because in Persona, he was actually somewhat useful despite there being arguments in the game.
Unfortunately, if DP is mafia, you're probably just bad. This whole situation between you and DP is entirely too convoluted for two scum to have constructed. And yes, I am calling DP mafia, for the record. He can very well play this game properly and not like a butthurt noob.
this is a vast oversimplification of what I have, in fact been doing. I am not playing like a butthurt noob. For the record. I was relentlessly attacked by geript and tried VERY hard to not engage his blatant baiting. Then I had a productive (in my mind) talk with FT in which it became pretty clear to me that he was scum due to the inconsistencies in the claimed reasoning behind his reads. To be honest I am just about done playing with the Yamato's, Geripts and Firmtofu's of the world.
Could you look at Koshi and what do you think of Mocsta's recent posting?
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On September 22 2013 22:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 22:47 DarthPunk wrote:God now yamato thinks I am scum too. Based on me doing something I do as town in many games. Seriously look up ego and mario mini's. If you think me not 'scumhunting' and solely defending myself is scummy based on meta those games will disprove that fact. Clearly though. I have asked questions and scum hunted. I am actually not sure what yamato is saying here because I was pressuring FT on his reads and the consistency of his narrative. Which lead to a thoroughly scummy result. Honestly if everyone is going to call me scum stupidly then I am just going to ignore you all. On September 22 2013 22:20 yamato77 wrote:
Scum DP is actually more likely to only argue the entire game than town DP is. Honestly, DP refusing to do anything OMGUS people the whole game is not a point in his favor, it is a point against. You should know better, because in Persona, he was actually somewhat useful despite there being arguments in the game.
Unfortunately, if DP is mafia, you're probably just bad. This whole situation between you and DP is entirely too convoluted for two scum to have constructed. And yes, I am calling DP mafia, for the record. He can very well play this game properly and not like a butthurt noob.
this is a vast oversimplification of what I have, in fact been doing. I am not playing like a butthurt noob. For the record. I was relentlessly attacked by geript and tried VERY hard to not engage his blatant baiting. Then I had a productive (in my mind) talk with FT in which it became pretty clear to me that he was scum due to the inconsistencies in the claimed reasoning behind his reads. To be honest I am just about done playing with the Yamato's, Geripts and Firmtofu's of the world. Could you look at Koshi and what do you think of Mocsta's recent posting? I have had a town read on mocsta for a while now. After a weirdly funky start he has been questioning and engaged with the thread. And when he says things it seems he has actually read and understood the thread which is more than I can say for most of the people in this game.I still need to read koshi's filter. But he has certainly been a non event in this game. The Key thing is whether that is because he is actually not doing much or because he is flying under the radar.
I actually got the opposite feeing of him due to his stance on Koshi a while ago.
Then he voted for Koshi and followed it with two posts that say "yamato is mafia".
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On September 22 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 22:40 Mocsta wrote:
now that koshi was getting some traction; compared to anyone else.
its odd, the timing of yamato post including the "i ignored koshi post"
he comes in like a hero.. and isnt even reading the whole thread.. what a douche
##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi Your post is saying "yamato is scum" (as the next post aswell). Why vote Koshi instead? Because, a lot of the thread likes Yam; and a case will be required. Koshi, not so much.
Okay wtf Mocsta?
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On September 22 2013 23:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 22:40 Mocsta wrote:
now that koshi was getting some traction; compared to anyone else.
its odd, the timing of yamato post including the "i ignored koshi post"
he comes in like a hero.. and isnt even reading the whole thread.. what a douche
##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi Your post is saying "yamato is scum" (as the next post aswell). Why vote Koshi instead? Because, a lot of the thread likes Yam; and a case will be required. Koshi, not so much. Okay wtf Mocsta? ?? Are you trying to tell me, that if you had two or three scum reads; you just random dip which one you push. Sometimes its based on % to flip scum Sometimes its based on getting town buy-in. Jeez.. stop playing so naieve. Do you really think after the fanfare yam got 12hrs ago, that hes going to be lynched Day1. News bulletin.. hes not; Koshi on the other hand can. This aint rocket science.
I thought you were above this "this guy can't get lynched on D1 even if he is scum".
Why don't you make a case on yamato if he is most likely to flip scum? Do you, or do you think Koshi is more likely to be scum than yamato?
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On September 22 2013 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
has anyone ever seen someone go back and read the thread and provide updates as they go along as scum?
and i can get down on a yamato vote for reasons stated above by others
or a stutters vote cause hypocrisy
What's your stance on Koshi and Mocsta?
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On September 22 2013 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:OK I read Koshi's filter and it seemed to contain a lot of one liners. Wasn't he going away though and stated before the game started that he would potentially be phone posting? If he is limited to phone posting then his filter makes a lot more sense as it is much more convenient to stick to one liners whilst phone posting. Like I am unfamiliar with the standard of play required from Koshi. If it is a high standard and he is usually active and curious and writes good posts then I would be concerned that he was flying under the radar. But if I discounted meta, then I would probably not want to lynch Koshi and here is why. Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote:On September 21 2013 22:51 Mocsta wrote:On September 21 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:On September 21 2013 22:46 Mocsta wrote:On September 21 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote:
I want to lynch Mocst
Reason: People that make special posts always end up being scum.
Acrofoles: GoT
Persona: Crazometer
Aperture: Alakaslam (he was even more special than otherwise, with the evul bee posts)
Golden Sun: BH
Right... So lets get you useful. Is Geript scum? I have 0 clues. The guy had a superpowerful role in aperture and we all know how that ended. But I am very friendly towards geript because he is friendly towards me. yeah OK, more stuff that means nothing. That was a different game. You know; i have seen you replace in as town, and your game play was very different to what you are doing now. Day1 spaztic mode is over. So lets try again, one more time. - cos you didn't give a definitive answer on where you stand. Read on Geript.Then Read on WaveofShadow. :D I do not want to lynch geript. Reason: He is making cases + he is a friendly fellow. I could lynch WoS atm. He tried to fling shit at VE for not going to bed when he said he was going to bed. Unless he is VE his mother there is no reason to make that post. Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 23:23 Koshi wrote:C. Koshi doesn't give 2 fucks about the case but loves the fact geript makes cases. <Addendum> The case wasn't total shit for being a couple hours into the game. So extra points for geript. Also, I am not defending geript. You keep asking me about geript. I simply answer. Why is Geript making cases alignment indicative.It isn't. I just don't want to lynch geript atm. I have 0 clues about geript his allignment. Is DP scum?I am not lynching DP. Scum got 6 nk next 2 nights unless crazy vigi happens n1. Let's see if DP is still alive day 3. I like DP posting as well.Now ask me new shit. And answer my question. Why didn't you consider the fact that Kush wanted to see you 2 modkilled for posting "..." in the silent period. And why are you so butthurt about that fact? You even voted kush. Rules are Rules. Here he states when questioned about both myself and geript that he does not want to lynch us? Why would a scum that is trying to fly under the radar take that position on both of us? I think as scum it would be far easier and more convenient to just side with one or the other and no one would really care. Saying that you don;t want to lynch either draws attention to Koshi and if we read his filter and decide that he is trying to lay low, taking a controversial position just does not gel with that mindset.
Why would scum want to side with one of you two in case;
(1) You are both town?
(2) One of you is scum?
(3) Both of you are scum?
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On September 22 2013 23:12 Zaragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 21:35 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious I dunno what "softening his play as scum" means. I thought it was suspicous because he dropped his read based on my counter-point so easily. What i wrote was my own insight, but certainly also far from fact. I personally was expecting him to hold his point of view, and counter, my counter-point. Unless of course I was that convincing. DP kinda suggested later that may have been the case. Perhaps this point of discussion isn't worth pursuing then.
Think it was partly that, partly just him rereading the posts in the morning. After that, it makes sense as either town or scum, just with different motivations. As I said I read the motivation from his posts more scum. By "softening his play" I mean trying to go lower profile and taking less risks.
On September 22 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 21:39 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game. I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is. Oh and from earlier: On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
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It says almost nothing. You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game. So you think only scum posts like that? On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why? Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons. Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum? It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance. Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here. How does me saying what i did make me scum? Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why? It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point. On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".
Elaborate please. That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings. So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious So in comparsion you should be really scummy then? Yet another question and no substance. I've been giving my reads and analyzing people consistently; yes, I condense my points with little detail--I type slowly and am not going to bore anyone with my medical history. Give me your read on something I have said and I will address it. I ask questions and make conclusions from them. If the questions end up in non-scum conclusion i drop the matter because there is no need to say it ends up in a town/null read. Your analysis and conclusions are all "this guy did this and then that and he could do that as scum or town both". You have ne real conclusions in your posts. I would like you to give some conclusions that actually take some stance on someone. The only thing close to this is when you called me slightly scummy, and that is bullshit.
Yes, I keep in mind the possibility that someone could be town even if they do something scummy. I'm not scum so I don't know who is town besides myself. I've given reads on what is likely; if you prefer, you can read them as more definite when you interpret me. I currently have no interest in pretending someone is absolutely scum or absolutely town, I have an interest in making links, and for day 1 choosing a good, likely target that yields a decent amount of information.
Currently I'd be fine with VE lynch (feels scummy and would give us significant info from the early day events). There are lots of possible backups like LoneMeow, Sentinel, Rayn, Pandain but I don't have a comfortable read on them. I don't care about the lurkers or people posting nothingness, fine for throwaway lynches but mostly irrelevant for analysis. Of course, if we can't pass a lynch on someone else, we do need to get rid of them sooner or later.
I have decent town reads on Marv, Tofu, Geript, DP and Mocsta. But the situation suggests at least one of them as scum considering the amount of conflicting reads on each other. Unfortunately I can't tell who, if so.[/QUOTE]
Okay so last time. I did something scummy according to you. What is that i done that's scummy? And how is that scummier compared to your own posts.
Also what are your thoughts on my case on Koshi?
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Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:12 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:35 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious I dunno what "softening his play as scum" means. I thought it was suspicous because he dropped his read based on my counter-point so easily. What i wrote was my own insight, but certainly also far from fact. I personally was expecting him to hold his point of view, and counter, my counter-point. Unless of course I was that convincing. DP kinda suggested later that may have been the case. Perhaps this point of discussion isn't worth pursuing then. Think it was partly that, partly just him rereading the posts in the morning. After that, it makes sense as either town or scum, just with different motivations. As I said I read the motivation from his posts more scum. By "softening his play" I mean trying to go lower profile and taking less risks. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:39 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game. I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is. Oh and from earlier: On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:
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You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game. So you think only scum posts like that? On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why? Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons. Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum? It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance. Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here. How does me saying what i did make me scum? Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why? It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point. On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".
Elaborate please. That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings. So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious So in comparsion you should be really scummy then? Yet another question and no substance. I've been giving my reads and analyzing people consistently; yes, I condense my points with little detail--I type slowly and am not going to bore anyone with my medical history. Give me your read on something I have said and I will address it. I ask questions and make conclusions from them. If the questions end up in non-scum conclusion i drop the matter because there is no need to say it ends up in a town/null read. Your analysis and conclusions are all "this guy did this and then that and he could do that as scum or town both". You have ne real conclusions in your posts. I would like you to give some conclusions that actually take some stance on someone. The only thing close to this is when you called me slightly scummy, and that is bullshit. Yes, I keep in mind the possibility that someone could be town even if they do something scummy. I'm not scum so I don't know who is town besides myself. I've given reads on what is likely; if you prefer, you can read them as more definite when you interpret me. I currently have no interest in pretending someone is absolutely scum or absolutely town, I have an interest in making links, and for day 1 choosing a good, likely target that yields a decent amount of information. Currently I'd be fine with VE lynch (feels scummy and would give us significant info from the early day events). There are lots of possible backups like LoneMeow, Sentinel, Rayn, Pandain but I don't have a comfortable read on them. I don't care about the lurkers or people posting nothingness, fine for throwaway lynches but mostly irrelevant for analysis. Of course, if we can't pass a lynch on someone else, we do need to get rid of them sooner or later. I have decent town reads on Marv, Tofu, Geript, DP and Mocsta. But the situation suggests at least one of them as scum considering the amount of conflicting reads on each other. Unfortunately I can't tell who, if so.
Okay so last time. I did something scummy according to you. What is that i done that's scummy? And how is that scummier compared to your own posts.
Also what are your thoughts on my case on Koshi?
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On September 22 2013 23:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:OK I read Koshi's filter and it seemed to contain a lot of one liners. Wasn't he going away though and stated before the game started that he would potentially be phone posting? If he is limited to phone posting then his filter makes a lot more sense as it is much more convenient to stick to one liners whilst phone posting. Like I am unfamiliar with the standard of play required from Koshi. If it is a high standard and he is usually active and curious and writes good posts then I would be concerned that he was flying under the radar. But if I discounted meta, then I would probably not want to lynch Koshi and here is why. On September 21 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote:On September 21 2013 22:51 Mocsta wrote:On September 21 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:On September 21 2013 22:46 Mocsta wrote:On September 21 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote:
I want to lynch Mocst
Reason: People that make special posts always end up being scum.
Acrofoles: GoT
Persona: Crazometer
Aperture: Alakaslam (he was even more special than otherwise, with the evul bee posts)
Golden Sun: BH
Right... So lets get you useful. Is Geript scum? I have 0 clues. The guy had a superpowerful role in aperture and we all know how that ended. But I am very friendly towards geript because he is friendly towards me. yeah OK, more stuff that means nothing. That was a different game. You know; i have seen you replace in as town, and your game play was very different to what you are doing now. Day1 spaztic mode is over. So lets try again, one more time. - cos you didn't give a definitive answer on where you stand. Read on Geript.Then Read on WaveofShadow. :D I do not want to lynch geript. Reason: He is making cases + he is a friendly fellow. I could lynch WoS atm. He tried to fling shit at VE for not going to bed when he said he was going to bed. Unless he is VE his mother there is no reason to make that post. On September 21 2013 23:23 Koshi wrote:C. Koshi doesn't give 2 fucks about the case but loves the fact geript makes cases. <Addendum> The case wasn't total shit for being a couple hours into the game. So extra points for geript. Also, I am not defending geript. You keep asking me about geript. I simply answer. Why is Geript making cases alignment indicative.It isn't. I just don't want to lynch geript atm. I have 0 clues about geript his allignment. Is DP scum?I am not lynching DP. Scum got 6 nk next 2 nights unless crazy vigi happens n1. Let's see if DP is still alive day 3. I like DP posting as well.Now ask me new shit. And answer my question. Why didn't you consider the fact that Kush wanted to see you 2 modkilled for posting "..." in the silent period. And why are you so butthurt about that fact? You even voted kush. Rules are Rules. Here he states when questioned about both myself and geript that he does not want to lynch us? Why would a scum that is trying to fly under the radar take that position on both of us? I think as scum it would be far easier and more convenient to just side with one or the other and no one would really care. Saying that you don;t want to lynch either draws attention to Koshi and if we read his filter and decide that he is trying to lay low, taking a controversial position just does not gel with that mindset. Why would scum want to side with one of you two in case; (1) You are both town? (2) One of you is scum? (3) Both of you are scum? Because when the whole thread is giving out town/scum reads it is a lot more convenient for a scum who is laying low to say. 'Oh X is scum and Y is town', than to say 'I don't know who is scum or town but I don't want to lynch either of them.'
Correct me if i am wrong but i think the only one who gave a strong scumread on either one of you was you?
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